Should Rebacked cards be graded as Authentic?

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Posted By: <b>Aaron Conyers</b><p>Curious to what everyone's thoughts are regarding cards that have been rebacked. In your opinion, do you think these cards should be encapsulated by a third party grading co?

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Posted By: <b>Tony Andrea</b><p>My vote: NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Personally I would be ok if it were AUT with a "rebacked" disclaimer on the flip....but others might disagree...

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>The grade "authentic" with a line that says "rebacked" would be perfect. Just as long as there is no numeric grade assigned to a reback card, I see no reason why rebacked cards are not holdered like other altered or trimmed cards.

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Posted By: <b>boxingcardman</b><p>stating "rebacked". 19th century photographic cards are often found rebacked, esp. where the cardboard is deteriorating but the albumen photo is still nice. They have value and are worth slabbing provided they are clearly labeled.

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Posted By: <b>Steve</b><p>Yes, labeled "Authentic Altered"... Although not original, these still require protection. Also include old cards that are taped or have scrapbook remnants.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Chris Mc</b><p> All authentic graded cards should have a description that states why they do not have a numerical grade. IMO

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>If the front of one card is merged with the back of another, I don't think the term "Authentic" is satisfactory. The label would need more information.<br /><br />When the Just So of Burkett was merged with the border of a Just So actress, there was added information on the slab (although I forget the exact wording).

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />More information would definitely be needed if a HOF ballplayer was rebacked with a rare back.<br /><br />Peter C.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I don't think it need be that specific. Any two different cards that were merged together do not constitute one "Authentic" card.

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Posted By: <b>boxingbaseballgolf33</b><p>I had a Connie Mack Old Judge before they even had the authentic grades, that was rebacked and I would accept an authentic grade - the image on the front was fine - rebacked cards still look good - really depends on the issue<br /><br />Jimmy<br />

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Posted By: <b>jay wolt</b><p>Although not rebacked<br />this card is skinned as the back was peeled off.<br />(which I picked up on N54 B/S/T as a skinned card)<br /><br />PSA & SGC rejected it for slabbing.<br />If they would slab rebacked cards<br />then would they slab it if I glued it <br />to another back? <br /><br />Wouldn't think so.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.qualitycards.com/pictures/10350741.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Aaron Conyers</b><p>Jay,<br /><br />I spoke with SGC/PSA/GAI and asked if they graded rebacked cards as Authentic. <br /><br />SGC's answer: As of now we are not putting rebacked cards in the SGC Authentic holder. Trimming, color added, miscut, and "too small" are all acceptable for the SGC Authentic label. On rare occasions, we will feel that a card has been too extensively restored (repainted through almost the entire field, etc.) for SGC Authentic.<br /><br />PSA also stated they do not encapsulate rebacked cards. Interestingly enough GAI did state they grade rebacked cards as Authentic.

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Posted By: <b>Joseph</b><p>I'd draw the line at re-fronted cards

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Posted By: <b>Eric B</b><p>I was at an antique shop in rural PA. The owner was selling the original axe George Washington used to chop down the Cherry tree. I commented that it was in very nice condition for its age.<br /><br />The owner said "it should be...has had 4 new handles and 2 new blades over the years".<br /><br />NO!

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>nope---<br />inauthentic, would be ok<br /><br />best,<br />barry

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Posted By: <b>jay wolt</b><p>"Interestingly enough GAI did state they grade rebacked cards as Authentic"<br /><br />It seems GAI will slab anything....and I don't think that's a bad thing.<br />I wanted this card slabbed and they accommodated my request.<br />

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>If a skinned N172 is placed on a new piece of cardboard, it's rebacked.<br /><br />If a T206 Sweet Caporal Ty Cobb is rebacked with a Drum back, it's fake.<br /><br />In the end, if the label accurately says what is the card, the label accurately says what is the card.<br /><br />There was a genuine T206 Honus Wagner that had been rebacked and refronted with reprints.<br /><br />I saw a 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth restored from so many cards it was a complete set.

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Posted By: <b>Larry</b><p>Eric,<br /><br />Was that the same PA antique shop that was selling a feather from Gabriel's wing?

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Posted By: <b>ItsOnlyGil</b><p>What happened to the original front and back of the genuine T206 Honus Wagner that had been rebacked and refronted with reprints?<br />

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>A question is how much of the original card has to be there for it to be called the card? 50 percent? 60 percent?<br /><br />Reminds me of the Woody Allen futuristic movie 'Sleeper' where Woody takes hostage at gunpoint a nose, the nose being all that exists of the late great President.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>jay- great catching-up with you yesterday...<br /><br />FYI- GAI will NOT grade blank back T206 cards, neither will SGC nor PSA...<br /><br />bummer.

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Posted By: <b>jay wolt</b><p>Mike - due to the fact that some can take a back and turn it into a blank back.<br />I can see the big 3's logic in not grading them.<br />But in essence my John Morrill Gold Coin is a blank back<br />albeit it a skinned one. So I would think the big 3 may slab<br />a genuine T206 as authentic if it has blank back, but just not<br />give it a grade.

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>I would say no. If they were put into a holder I think it shoud say restored because that is really what it is.<br /><br />A card was skinned and in order to get it back to it's original condition someone skinned a cheaper card and glued the better front onto the lesser back.<br /><br />I would rather see the skinned card in an authentic holder.<br /><br />James G<br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Kevin Saucier</b><p>I say no as well...and here is a good example:<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2311/t20552wt8.jpg"><br /><br /><br />Kevin