T206 Old Mill--Brown & Black Comparison

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Posted By: <b>Darren</b><p>Does anyone have a legitimate brown old mill reverse?; if so, would you please post with a black old mill reverse for comparison.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Brian W. used to have one, i know he has scans...maybe he could also post the brown & black Lenox as well? thanks...

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Have there been any recorded sales of a Brown Old Mill reverse? I'm curious what kind of premium they have brought if ever.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Michael- dig that new avatar of Tom Cruise! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Dave- Brian W. can answer all of these questions...<br /><br />Barry- that's me, brother, filming my latest movie... <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>I have never had success with the search function here, but scans of blacks and browns have been posted at least a couple of times before.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Darren</b><p>Hello JimB,<br /><br />I seem to recall seeing scans here as well, and did do a PPS prior to posting.

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Posted By: <b>Trae R.</b><p>Here's one that I could find using the search function:<br /><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1126903002/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1126903002/</a><br /><br />One important detail about the search function is using the "match option instead of date. It's not perfect but it helps some.<br /><br />Another good note about the search feature is changing from "message" to "thread" view. You can do that by simply altering the word message int he URL yourself, like this:<br /><br /><b>New:</b> <a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1126903002/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1126903002/</a><br /><b>Original:</b> <a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1126903002/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1126903002/</a><br /><br />See the difference?<br /><br />By default the search returns results as messages, but I personally like to view entire threads on the subject I am searching for.<br /><br />Enjoy <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Zach Rice</b><p>The card pictured below is not mine, however, it clearly shows a very real and very brown (not a faded black) Old Mill back. <br /><br /><img src="http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m84/mzm55cards/oldmillbrown.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />I think all of the Brown Old Mills are hand-cut. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.) The last time I saw a legitimate one on eBay was 2004. The subject was Revelle and the card did not sell. The starting bid was in the thousands.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Dave,<br /> I'll post some scans when I have a chance.<br /><br />Hi Michael,<br /> Thanks for the scans,nice pickup.<br /><br /><br />Hi Scot,<br /> You are correct; all of the "real" Brown Old Mills I have seen were hand cut including the Revelle which I used to own. I purchased the card in one of Lipset's auctions (November,2004)I think, along with an entire set of 48 Southern Leaguers. I traded the card about 6 months after the auction, so I can't give you a price, but doubt you can buy one for less than $2500.00.<br /><br /><br /> I will try to add more later. Be well Brian <br />

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Here's the Revelle:<br /><br /><img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/Lot2022720L.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Brian or anyone who might know,<br />Does anybody know if all of the brown Lenox examples were handcut as well? Is there a checklist of these? Are there more than one known of any of them?<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>Jim,<br /><br />The only Brown Lenox example I've seen in person was not hand cut.<br /><br />Rob

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Jim,<br /> All of the Brown Old Mill's I have seen,(5 or 6) and all of the one's I have been told about,(another 3) were all hand cut. I would guess that there are less tha 20 in existence, but I don't have a list. I will go back thru my catalogs, but I think Lipset had a lot of 5-6 of these back in the 90's.<br /><br /> Be well Brian

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Robert,<br /> Brown Lenox are totally different, as they were factory cut, and I believe inserted into packs by accident. Or the printers ran out of black ink and used the plentiful brown ink used for the names to complete a print run, thinking no one would notice. Either way, Brown Lenox and Brown Old Mills are apples and oranges.<br /> Be well Brian<br />

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Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>Hi Brian,<br /><br />Jim was asking those questions about the brown lenox.<br /><br />We've kind of weaved back and forth a bit from old mill to lenox.<br /><br />Thanks for the info.<br /><br />Robert

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Rob,<br /> Thanks for helping me answer Jim's original question. I've been so busy lately I haven't had time to "hang around the board" and read all of the post. Not to mention adding in a few Seinfeld references for Barry.....<br /><br /> Be well Brian<br /><br />PS Barry, I love to use commas, semi colons, and periods in my post, just to make you cringe a little.......Summer of George....

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Posted By: <b>Trae R.</b><p>"Michael- dig that new avatar of Tom Cruise!"<br /><br />Haha, looks like Borat without the mustache. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Brian- you know Elaine broke up with her boyfriend over an exclamation point, so you are in good company.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p><br /> Hi Barry,<br /> Top of the muffin to you!!!<br /> Where did you get those glasses?<br /> Did you stop at the counter at the theater??? <br /><br /> Be well Brian<br /><br />PS $50.00 says you and Puddy are back together....

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Posted By: <b>Jim Rivera</b><p>Jim B<br /><br />I have a Lake Brown Lenox in a SGC 30 holder and sorry to say I do not own a Brown Old Mill.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>Trae-<br /><br />Niiiiiiiiiice! <br /><br />I like.

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Posted By: <b>wfeola</b><p>Brown & Black Lenox<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1183614455.JPG">