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07-02-2007, 08:32 AM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Recently I have had communications with Jason L from our board concerning an auction won on ebay not long ago. It pertained to some Australian baseball cards. Not too much has been written on this board about them as the information is not widely known, nor is it known almost anywhere. Jason has traded emails with an Australian gentleman, Mark Gilbert, about these cards. Mark has been nice enough to let us provide his insight into Australian cards to the board. He does want it known that much of this information is conjecture based upon his experiences collecting them. This is exactly what he asked us to say pertaining to the information he gave us.<br /> <br />"I would ask that you clearly state that the information is my opinion & anecdotal (i.e. information gathered from the thoughts & opinions of the dealers /collectors I have met & spoken with over the years) and not printed fact." <br /><br />With that being said here is some information rarely seen......This is from Mark Gilbert- <br /><br />Hi Jason,<br /><br />There is not a great deal of literature available on Australian trade<br />cards in mainstream publication, the only Australian book of note is on<br />tobacco issues which was printed in about 1982.<br /><br />Murray's (UK) "Cigarette Card Values" Guide has a section on trade cards<br />& covers a number of Australian issues. If you can get a hold of this<br />book it probably covers the bulk of the vintage issues in terms of Set<br />Name, Year of issue, number in the set, card value etc but does not tell<br />much more than that (i.e. there is no description of the cards that make<br />up the set).<br /><br />However the bits & pieces I have picked up over the years may be of some<br />use....<br /><br />Companies quite often traded card designs among themselves to save the<br />cost of an original production and inserted their own brand on the<br />designated blank areas on the reverse. This enabled tobacco outfits like<br />Wills to issue the same cards with three different brands of their<br />tobacco - Capstan, Vice Regal & Havelock. You would know this yourself<br />from the different brands on the backs of the T205 & T206 cards.<br /><br />The c1916 "Sports of the World", if the issue dates are accurate, was<br />originally released as a MacRoberstons 50 card issue (MacRobertsons was<br />a large Australian confectionary firm). They also issued the set in a<br />non-colour sepia version. Wills tobacco (Australia) used this same<br />design in 1917. Which company was the originating designer of the set is<br />something I do not know but at a guess I would say it was Wills who sold<br />/ leased it to MacRobertsons and that part of the deal was that<br />MacRobertsons could use the design first.<br /><br />Obviously buying a design was ideal for smaller companies that wanted to<br />get in on the act of giving away a card with their product but could not<br />afford to do their own design or print a large numbers of cards.<br />Therefore, while Wills & MacRobertsons cards would have probably hit the<br />market in large numbers a smaller outfit such as Village Maid (as on<br />your card) would certainly be the rarer back.<br />To the best of my knowledge any issuer of this set put it out as the<br />full 50 cards. They covered a variety of sports - both popular & the<br />lesser known - but the most keenly sought odds are the Cricket,<br />Baseball, Boxing & Golf cards.<br /><br />The Allen's card is of a 1936 issue and for a long time was freely<br />available amongst dealers. However once there was noted interest in 4<br />odd cards from the series - USA (Golf & Baseball), Australia (Cricket) &<br />Scotland (Golf) they have become harder to find. I have sold the<br />Baseball card in the past (in nr mint condition) for US$50. The set<br />contained 36 cards.<br />Allen's was into a variety of subjects - Royalty, War Medals, Soldiers,<br />Cricketers & Footballers but this was their only venture into 'mixed'<br />sports sets that I know of.<br /><br />I don't know of any other Australian card issue that relates to Baseball<br />however there is a Wills (UK) 1901 set called Sports of All Nations with<br />card #1 being Baseball with a great depiction of a 19th century Baseball<br />figure. Again, this was at one time not too hard to get but is now<br />almost impossible to find.<br /><br />Hope this is of some help!<br /><br />Kind regards,<br />Mark<br /><br /><br /><br />