O/T Selig Cover-Up of MLB's Role

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>After being nominated to the HOF, Tony Gwynn said that steroid usage was fairly common, if so MLB and the owners knew about steroid usage. Now Giambi is going to speak with former senator Mitchell about steroid usage. Selig has gotten Giambi to agree to covering up MLB and the owners role as a condition for leniency...major cover-up.<br /><br />Should we make Selig want the plank...or...congratulate him on a well-done cover-up. Let me know what you think.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Selig is a tool. He (and the rest of the MLB goons) turned a blind eye to known 'roid use for over a deacde. Now, he has the balls to indict Bonds and Giambi, et al. and sit on the fence about whether he's going to be present for Bonds' record-breaking HR. I hope he stays home.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Giambi agreed only to talk about his own use. He is not naming names.

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Posted By: <b>Chris Counts</b><p>There are many illogical things in this world that perplex me. But there are few that get my blood boiling like the continued reign of Bud Selig as Major League Baseball commissioner, a fact that only illustrates how much I care about the game. Bud deserved to be ousted for his role in the aborted contraction of the Twins, an episode that in my mind risked harming the integrity of the game as much as any gambling or drug scandal. The whole Giambi saga is just absurd. Giambi said baseball should apologize for the steroid scandal, and now he's being threatened with suspension. Giambi may not be a bright guy, but at least he's honest. Which is more than I can say for Bud, the owners, and a whole bunch of players that haven't been named. And all Bud can say to any reporter who questions him about the steroid scandal is "No comment." Bud is truly the biggest embarrassment to the game (okay, Barry is also in the running for the title) I say, can the bum!<br />

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Barry,<br /><br />Actually it's a bit strange, I thought Bud Selig and MLB wanted to investigate steroid usage so they were the ones that appointed Senator Mitchell to investigate in the first place. Now their turning around and saying to Jason, we really don't want you to cooperate too much, it's better if you are the only fall guy.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>This week Bud Selig announced that he is openly campaigning for George W. Bush to become the next commissioner of baseball after he retires. Draw your own conclusions....

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Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>Barry, don't be surprised if Giambi does name some players and others.<br /><br />Joe<br><br>Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>Bob, that would be just great. George W could then claim there are terrorists in Pro Hockey and have MLB invade the NHL.<br /><br />David

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>we have not yet invaded Canada!!<br /><br />That would be an interesting situation, wouldn't it? Bush heading up baseball?...hmm...sounds like someone could create a cartoon series along these lines...plenty of plots to develop if you aren't limited by the constraints of the human realm

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Posted By: <b>Bill Todd</b><p><br />My wife has claimed for years that GW only wanted to be president because he thought it would polish his resume for commissioner.<br /><br />Bill

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Well he's hardly polished his resume...maybe he could be Selig's gofer!

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>So far, Bud Selig has only protected the interests of the baseball owners...he should walk the plank. The Prez is not a viable replacement, he doesn't respond to pressure well...and Steinbrenner is too old. Who would be a good replacement...hmmm.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p>"Who would be a good replacement...hmmm."<br />How about Joann?<br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Cy</b><p>How about this for justice for Bud Selig?<br /><br />After Giambi testifies, Selig tries to make Bonds talk. Bonds refuses and Selig suspends him for his negative decision. So now Selig tries to make Bonds out to be a steroid taker and a cheater. Now here is where the fun begins. <u>Everyone</u> who has gone to a ballgame during the strike era, takes out a class action lawsuit against baseball for giving them a fraudulent product and demands all the money back. If steroids were definitely involved, then the game was definitely tainted and people could say that baseball gave them an inferior product, something that they did not pay for.<br /><br />The beauty of this is now in the lawsuit, Bud Selig would have to take the stand to tell what he knew and when he knew it. That would be real justice. It doesn't matter one bit if the class action lawsuit is won. The great thing is that Bud Selig would have to testify under oath about that he knew.<br /><br />Cy

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Cy,<br /><br />Watching Bud Selig squirm on the witness stand would be enjoyable, but apparently baseball fans that object to steroids in the sport are a minority. According to Scott Boras, A-Rods agent, baseball revenues have substantially increased during the last 7 or so years.<br /><br />So the fans keep coming to the ballpark and like this diluted product they are seeing. We are simply a vocal minority.<br /><br />Peter<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>Peter,<br /><br />What do you expect? Most Americans don't want to see Sports anymore, they want entertainment. Sports, you know, where one team or athlete competes against another team or athlete, is boring. <br /><br />The American people don't want to see a lesser team beat a better team because it wanted the Win more. They also don't want to see a lesser athlete beat a better athlete because the lesser athlete might have been smarter. No, they want ENTERTAINMENT. Something they can watch without having to use their brains.<br /><br />If this were not true, then why is Pro Wrestling sooooo popular?? Pro Wrestling is rigged and their "athletes" are juiced. The NBA has gone this route also. The NBA is rigged so that the best story palys out or certain players or teams are highlighted to maximize their brand. If this isn't so then why were the Miami Heat in the Finals last year? Dwayne Wade had the best selling jersey before the year started. This year, LeBron James made it to the Finals. My guess is that Carmelo Anthony makes it to the Finals next year so his marketing value is increased.<br /><br />Also, how did the Golden State Warriors beat the Dallas Mavericks after not being in the Play-Offs for 13 years?? Golden State was one of, if not the only, team to have a winning record against Dallas the last two years. Is it any coincidence the Warriors are wanting a new arena built? <br /><br />How about the Draft? No longer televised, the worst three teams DID NOT get the top picks, they got picks 4,5 and 6. Who got pick number 2?? Seattle, a team that has been trying to get a new stadium built but has met HUGE resistance. Don't you think Greg Oden or Kevin Durant would draw some interest from fans in Seattle?? If not, then the Super Sonics still win because having that pick will help interest another city in building a stadium.<br /><br />Baseball exploited this "need" for entertainment and they are not going to admit any wrong doing until Congress gets involved. By that time, Barroid will have the All-Time Home Run record and will probably be retired.<br /><br />Oh yea, I forgot NASCAR. That is not racing, that is just a 175 MPH traffic jam. Fans don't go to see a race, they go to see spectacular crashes. If NASCAR were truly about racing, they would either let the best 43 or however many drivers race (they don't because of some rule allowing constructor or builder points to bump guys OUT of the race even if the bumped driver had a faster qualifying time) or they would reduce the number of cars so that there was real racing.<br /><br />Sorry for being so long winded and thanks for allowing me to vent,<br /><br />David

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Posted By: <b>Jim Dale</b><p>Guess I have a question for it all. I have long felt Pete Rose does not deserve to be in the Hall since he broke the rules. Perhaps after he's dead they could put him in; and I still feel that way. I'm kind of a rules need to be adhered too kind of person and believe in real ramifications for breaking them. But honestly I don't know what you do about Bonds, Giambi, Sosa and others. Should they just aesteric the whole generation? Or what? I don't know the answer.....curious what others think the answer should be.<br /><br />Oh...and wouldn't we have been better off if GW had been given roids?

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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>Jim Dale, as a Reds fan who started watching them in October, 1975, I can not think of the Big Red Machine without thinking of Pete Rose. However, unlike a lot of Reds fans on the Cincinnati chat board, I think Rose SHOULD NOT be in the Hall of Fame because he broke the rules. It is sad but true. Rose KNEW what the rules were but went ahead and broke them.<br /><br />The guys on juice knew they were breaking the rules also. Remember, the MLB Commissioner had rules in place back in 1993 it is just that the Players Association did not recognize them and there wasn't testing standards in place. I would say any player who knowingly took performance enhancing drugs (and MOST players taking them KNEW they were) should be banned from the HOF. <br /><br />Putting an asterisk by thier records wont do very much because who knows what they would have done without juicing. Probably without the juice, Barroid would have hit 500 Home Runs but how many more is the question. For him, 2,000 Hits, 500 Home Runs and 500 Stolen Bases would have been HOF numbers but that wasn't enough, he wanted the attention that McGwire and Sosa were getting.<br /><br />You can't take the numbers away or adjust them to what they SHOULD have normally and naturally been and you can't take the money away the players gained by cheating but yu can take the HOF away.<br /><br />David

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Jim, Dale<br /><br />I agree that it's necessary to enforce the rules and that players should be banned from the Hall of Fame for the breach of certain rules. But players should not be banned simply because they are suspected users of steroids. Only in a situation like Rafael Palmeiro's should they be banned from the HOF.<br /><br />Palmeiro stated at a congressional hearing that he did not use steroids. Later, he failed a MLB drug test. It's pretty clear he fails to display the requisite moral character to be a member of the Hall of Fame. Actually, for Hall of Fame induction to be a fairer process, they really should make it clearer what they mean by moral character. For instance, should tax evasion or wife-beating be taken into account.<br /><br />What baseball needs is a stronger leader than Bud Selig, his attitude seems to be MLB is generating good money, I'm going to play it safe by doing nothing. Hey...come to think of it Joanne would make a better commissioner than Mr. Selig. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>sagard</b><p>For me I can't get too wound up over steroid use anymore. It really just has been molded into part of the competition for me. Similar to the Tour De France. I know they are all cheating/or have cheated, but part of the overall competition is to avoid getting caught.<br /><br />Selig lied directly to the fans faces when he repeatedly said that contraction was not a negotiation tactic while working on the CBA, funny how that one turned out. Not a big surprise he'd be a little shady about the steriods fun. Truthfully he doesn't deserve to be at 756.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I'm the same about Selig, the guy is possibly the single biggest embarrassment this sport has ever seen. I don't want him there when Bonds hits 756 because Selig has done more harm to baseball than any single person. Bonds should not be criticized for playing the game within the construct that Selig set up. Bonds took advantage of the situation to the fullest extent possible, just like many others did. <br /><br />Bonds shouldn't have to share the limelight of breaking HR record, even though Selig if it wasn't for Selig, it probably wouldn't be happening. <br /><br />too bad there isn't a way for the player's association to be able to get rid of a commissioner if he doing things detrimental to the game. The owners don't care as long as their pockets are getting lined. This goes back to what I've said over the years, people will make business decisions that if they were posed with the same situation in their personal life, their choice would be completely different.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Bud Selig gives used car salesmen a bad name (prior occupation). <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />Seriously he and KM Landis are neck and neck for worst commissioners of all time. One is a moron and the other the most arrogant, self-serving God-complex person of all time.