Barry Sloate's auction is UP ..... NOT!!! yet [Archive]

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06-01-2007, 07:33 AM

Posted By: Hal Lewis<a href="http://www.sloateauction.com/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="<a href="http://www.sloateauction.com/</a" target="_new">http://www.sloateauction.com/</a</a>" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.sloateauction.com/</a</a>&gt" target="_new">http://www.sloateauction.com/</a</a>&gt</a>; It was up... now it's down... it will be back up in June. edited title to be more specific...

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06-01-2007, 07:52 AM

Posted By: barrysloateHal- you saw it before me. I'll go look now.

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06-01-2007, 07:55 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisBarry: Great graphics!!! I love how you can really ZOOM IN on every card... front AND back! Gee... what a great concept. Just SHOW the card instead of trying to describe it in 900 words or less. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-01-2007, 07:57 AM

Posted By: Al C.risafulliOh, my. Look at those '38 Goudeys! -Al

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06-01-2007, 07:59 AM

Posted By: leonVery nicely done.....good luck.....

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06-01-2007, 08:00 AM

Posted By: barrysloateJust a quick note to all that this is still in the editing phase and I wasn't aware it would be up this early. There will be some tweaking of images and corrections as we approach the first day of bidding. Thank you. Bill Goodwin's rules are in my rules section and they are coming down shortly. We jumped the gun here.

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06-01-2007, 08:17 AM

Posted By: CatI looked late last night (11:00 PST) and it wasn't up yet, so Hal must of been hitting refresh every 10 minutes or so. You probably already saw this, but Eppa Rixey's M101-5 is Bancrofts's card. Barry, I know you may feel like the gun was jumped, but this is REAL SWEET. I'll be calling on day 2 of the auction, since Day 1 may be hectic.

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06-01-2007, 08:26 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanHal, thanks for the tip. Which cards do you think we should bid on the most?

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06-01-2007, 08:26 AM

Posted By: barrysloateHi Cat- I did see the Rixey/Bancroft photo plus a few other edits to work on. The gun was jumped because I am still learning how to use the site. But I'm glad everyone will get a chance to see it. I don't think we will be doing any registration until Monday, June 4 at the earliest. Scheduled first day of bidding is June 7, but we may push it up if we feel everything is in place. It will all run smoothly when we begin- just not ready today.

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06-01-2007, 08:28 AM

Posted By: bigfishGreat stuff. Can't wait for the bidding to begin.

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06-01-2007, 09:08 AM

Posted By: Steve Murrayand I know this subject has been beaten to death but just what is a "rookie" card? You have Bancroft as a "rookie" yet he appears first in the 1912 Zeenut series. Admitedly that is PCL and not "major" league so is that the distinction?

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06-01-2007, 09:13 AM

Posted By: Joe D.Steve, IMO - Minor league cards are not rookie cards. Rookie cards are first major league cards. Barry... the site looks great! Jeff - the answer is all of them?

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06-01-2007, 09:24 AM

Posted By: chris blandIf minor league cards are not considered rookie cards, then the Buck Weaver Obak card should not be listed as his rookie. I personally disagree with a lot of the "rookie" designations in the auction (For example, a 1928 Carl Hubbell R315 was auctioned by Barry on ebay as a rookie but in this auction a 1933 Sport Kings Hubbell is labeled as a rookie as well) but, but this is a topic where a ton of different opinions exist, and I don't know if any one opinion is right or wrong...

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06-01-2007, 09:30 AM

Posted By: barrysloateChris- you're right, but if you read the text I referred to it as pre-rookie. I admit I used the term loosley, partly for marketing but also because we don't really have a unanimous definition of a rookie card. You can disagree with Bancroft's M101-4 being his rookie, yet still bid on it.

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06-01-2007, 09:31 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisSteve: The lot description of the Bancroft specifies that it is his first "Major League" appearance on a baseball card. The minor league cards are often called "PROOKIE" cards (short for "pre-rookie) on this board.

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06-01-2007, 09:37 AM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthHal, Will you be bidding?

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06-01-2007, 09:38 AM

Posted By: chris blandBarry, I think the Weaver description is fine (I personally consider minor league cards as rookies anyway)- I was just responding to Joe's post. I do think calling a Sport Kings Hubbell his rookie card is inaccurate however.

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06-01-2007, 09:41 AM

Posted By: Scott ElkinsI remember that E101 Matty Hal and the PSA 8 Tom Barker Jackson! Great card for the grade. Too bad I don't have $30k lying around for that Jackson however - Barry could have hid that one somewhere else besides being Lot #1. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-01-2007, 09:41 AM

Posted By: MVSNYCbarry- site looks great and so do the cards! nice T206 rare backs... dissapointed to see that you still have not turned around the homeplate in your logo...it should face down!!!

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06-01-2007, 09:45 AM

Posted By: barrysloateHubbell's first nationally distributed cards were issued in 1933, both by Goudey Gum. If everyone feels this is way off base, I can still edit the website. I used the term rookie in two cases; 1) where there is no debate, such as the E90-1 Jackson; 2) where there is at least some reasonable argument that it was the player's first distributed card. Look at the debate we had recently on the Cobb rookie- we had about ten different candidates. And to add, yes I have recently sold more than one card of a player where I called it a rookie. I try to distinguish between a nationally distributed issue vs. a very minor or obscure one. If you ask me do I know every player's rookie card, no I don't. I still think the N172 is Nichols rookie, and nearly everyone disagrees.

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06-01-2007, 09:47 AM

Posted By: chris blandThe description for these two auctions seem to be pretty much the same: <a href="http://www.sloateauction.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=88" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.sloateauction.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=88</a> and <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120106918196" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120106918196</a> With that in mind, I dont see how the Sport Kings Hubbell is his rookie card.

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06-01-2007, 09:50 AM

Posted By: barrysloateFine- we're still editing and I will make a change on the website regarding the Hubbell. The catalog, however, is already printed.

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06-01-2007, 09:52 AM

Posted By: Dan BrettaBarry, where's the memorabilia??? <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-01-2007, 09:55 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanBarry, what is your position on "preparing" cards for auction? Do you have any cards that were re-certified by PSA? Please read these questions in a harsh tone - I still need some help with my questioning skills but I'm working on the problem.

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06-01-2007, 10:04 AM

Posted By: Dan BrettaJeff, will you still remember us when you have your own show on Fox?

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06-01-2007, 10:06 AM

Posted By: Jason Lgreat photos!!! best of luck to you In the descriptions, just to give yourself one less headache, simply add lines such as, "Some people think it's his rookie card" or "May be the player's most significant card" or "This is his rookie card, for most people" ...some general stuff like that...! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-01-2007, 10:28 AM

Posted By: barrysloateJeff- all my cards have been personally cleaned by me using a Brillo soap pad, to get that nice rough finish collectors like. On a more serious note, we're going to shut the site down in about an hour and reopen it early next week. There is some confusion with people trying to bid and we are just not ready. It will be back up early next week. Thanks in the mean time for the kind words.

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06-01-2007, 10:28 AM

Posted By: Jim ClarkeJoe D.... You do not think Minor league cards are rookies? Is a minor league team professional? Plus do the players get paid? I would have to disagree with you on your opinion. Minor league cards starting with Hancock from 19th century all the way up to 2007 team issued cards should be considered a rookie card of the player. Now if you were to say Derek Jeter "Little Sun" High School card was not a rookie card than that might be debatable. I thnks that Joe Dimaggio's rookie card is his Zeenut card. How about Buck Weaver playing for San Fran in 1910? The Bishop team card and Obak cabinet come to mind. JC

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06-01-2007, 10:47 AM

Posted By: dennisaccording to becket the whole goudey set of 1933 is rookies and if you did not appear in a goudey set ('33-38) your cards are not "true" rookie cards! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-01-2007, 10:50 AM

Posted By: Joe D.those are all very cool cards... but they are not rookies in my eyes. When a player goes to the major leagues for the first time - he is considered a rookie. It does not matter that he got paid for three years or so in the minor leagues.... the announcers, the general public, his teammates, etc. will call him a 'rookie' becuase it is his first year in the majors. I treat cards the same way - first major league card is the rookie.

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06-01-2007, 10:53 AM

Posted By: barrysloateThis is why there is some gray area regarding my use of the term "rookie." There is no standard that everyone adheres to.

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06-01-2007, 10:57 AM

Posted By: MarkCan I return the R315 if the '33 is Hubbell's real rookie? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-01-2007, 10:58 AM

Posted By: barry arnoldWOW!!! What an incredible display of beauty! all the best,Barry S. Barry

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06-01-2007, 11:05 AM

Posted By: PaulHOW COME EVERYONE IN THE WORLD CAN SEE BARRY'S AUCTION EXCEPT ME??????? I get a message saying there are no auctions to display -- and lots of other cool error messages depending on what tab I hit.

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06-01-2007, 11:06 AM

Posted By: Cobby33I can't get in? Keep getting error messages.

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06-01-2007, 11:10 AM

Posted By: Steve MurraySo, if we follow Joe's analysis, then a player who never made it to the big show would never have a "rookie" card. And, what if, a player who made it to the majors but does not appear on any card while in the majors but appears on a minor league card he too would never have a "rookie" card even though at one time he was, under an above definition, a "rookie"?

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06-01-2007, 11:11 AM

Posted By: Mark"Preliminary bidding will end at 9:00 PM Central on the auction closing date Thursday, May 31, 2007. If you have not bid on an item before 9:00 PM Central, May 31, 2007, you cannot bid on that item after 9:00 PM Central."

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06-01-2007, 11:19 AM

Posted By: Joe D.that is exactly my position. I would like to say that in many cases, I think the prookie is cooler / more desireable than the rookie. So this is not an opinion on value. Just semantics I guess.

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06-01-2007, 11:26 AM

Posted By: Steve Murraybut according to Joe your E221 San Fran team card and your T4 Weaver are NOT rookie cards. Buck's true rookie is the T207. Now if you want his true rookie card I'll be pleased to trade you my T207 for either the E221 or the T4. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-01-2007, 11:40 AM

Posted By: leonI will trade you my E221 with Weaver for your T207 Weaver, as long as it has a Red Cross ad on the back....I can always use a dupe....If I am not mistaking JC has a dupe E221 but it's not with Weaver.....One of my best ebay wins yet was that E221....so glad it was in the correct minor league only category...It probably would have cost me more...and I could barely afford it in the first place...(sorry we hijacked the thread a little but at least it's still about vintage baseball cards)..regards <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1180633104.JPG">

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06-01-2007, 11:42 AM

Posted By: barrysloatePaul and Cobby- we shut it down until we are ready to start. It will be back up either Tuesday or Wednesday. It simply isn't finished yet and there is much editing to do. It was launched prematurely and was creating confusion. There was even a test bid put in to see if it worked and it gave the impression that bidding had begun. I decided better to relaunch when we are ready.

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06-01-2007, 11:46 AM

Posted By: barrysloateNow look at Leon showing off his his E221's and hijacking my thread. There is nothing worse than someone digressing from the main post!! Just for that I'm presenting a Seinfeld quiz (is it possible to hijack my own thread): Remember the actress who wouldn't taste Jerry's pie, and he likewise wouldn't taste Poppy's pizza? She actually appeared in an earlier episode- which character did she play?

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06-01-2007, 11:50 AM

Posted By: Steve MurrayYes, I remember that pick-up. Outstanding!! My Weaver (SGC 50) is a Broadleaf. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14> No hijacking here. Barry deserves all the bumps we can give him. Good luck Barry!

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06-01-2007, 11:52 AM

Posted By: Steve MurraySuzanne Snyder played Audrey.

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06-01-2007, 12:10 PM

Posted By: barrysloateShe also played the Nazi in the back of the limousine when George pretended to be O'Brien and Jerry pretended to be Murphy (and her partner was a then unknown Peter Krause, who would later play the lead character in "Six Feet Under").

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06-01-2007, 01:35 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanDan, I've been pitching a show to Fox entitled "The Real Secrets of the Vintage Baseball Card Auction Houses" with little success.

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06-01-2007, 01:40 PM

Posted By: Joe D.Maybe you should not have pitched the show with the proposed name of "Trimmed Johnsons"

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06-01-2007, 02:16 PM

Posted By: JKJeff, Perhaps you should pitch it as a reality show in which, after weeks of successfully completing grueling tasks such as soaking, pencil erasing, recoloring, corner building, etc., the winner gets to apply all of his new found altering skills by cutting up a new sheet of T206s that, while only printed in the 50s, is a perfect match for the real thing. Of course, this sheet will contain a wagner, plank or both.

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06-01-2007, 02:44 PM

Posted By: barrysloateHey Joe P.- everyone is hijacking my auction thread. Where are you when I need you to help me out? This is a pretty disrespectful bunch, don't you think?

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06-01-2007, 02:50 PM

Posted By: Cobby33I haven't seen the JFK golf clubs, nor the piece of wedding cake from the wedding of one of the most dashing and romantic Nazi sympathizers of the entire British Royal family.

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06-01-2007, 02:57 PM

Posted By: barrysloateThe Prince was a bit of a sympathizer, wasn't he? Well, it didn't stop Peterman from spending big bucks on a slab of rancid cake. A funny sidenote about the JFK golf clubs is the episode appeared shortly before the Sotheby's sale. While Peterman paid a whopping 19K for them, when they sold for real Scwartzenegger spent over a million dollars!

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06-01-2007, 03:23 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanJosh, not a bad idea at all. I'm going to track down Brian S to help me market the idea to the suits at Fox because, as well all have witnessed, that guy can sell ice to the Eskimos!

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06-01-2007, 04:25 PM

Posted By: PaulLet me help Barry return this thread to its original topic. Why doesn't everyone name every card they can that is in Barry's auction? That way I won't need to wait until next week to know what's in the auction.

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06-01-2007, 05:19 PM

Posted By: barrysloatePaul- patience is a great virtue <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-01-2007, 06:54 PM

Posted By: Brian H (misunderestimated)Barry- With respect to the controversial rookie designation: I would guess that your consignor has at one time or another (probably on this Board) defined "rookie card" in pretty exact terms. If the consignor is who I think it is he gave it considerable thought so you might just want to use his defnition -- assuming he would be willing to provide it -- soemwhere at the top of the auction to minimize the inevitable kvetching. BTW: great auction -- I'll be bidding!

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06-01-2007, 07:01 PM

Posted By: barrysloateThanks Brian. It's no secret that the bulk of the auction is Hal's. I will be promoting it as such when we launch. Hal was helpful in giving me a lot of information on players' rookie cards, but I do agree the definition is broad. So if I call something a rookie and you disagree, just ignore it when you bid. Chris already pointed out that the Hubbell was too much of a stretch and I intend to emend the text before the auction starts. If you see any others I'm open minded (but may still use the designation).

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06-01-2007, 07:35 PM

Posted By: Scott ElkinsIt seems hardly anyone can agree on quite a few Vintage Rookies - especially Cobb's. However, one thing is for certain, that ugly E90-1 Jackson is not his rookie, so people should not bid on that particular lot (plus I can't go that high at the moment). <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-01-2007, 07:43 PM

Posted By: scott brockelmanForget the rookie debate, you have a far bigger problem it appears. You misspelled a word in your last post. Perhaps you will want to amend the post <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Something I do not believe you have ever done, must be preauction jitters. Scott

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06-01-2007, 07:56 PM

Posted By: DMcDPoint to Barry. TRANSITIVE VERB: e·mend·ed , e·mend·ing , e·mends To improve by critical editing: emend a faulty text.

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06-01-2007, 08:02 PM

Posted By: CatI thought it was one of those newfangled words that comes out of our electronic world. You know address became e-dress. So amend became e-mend. It's all good.

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06-01-2007, 08:19 PM

Posted By: scott brockelmanI have never heard of Emend. Barry's perfect record remains in intact. My apologies. Scott

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06-01-2007, 08:30 PM

Posted By: Peter SpaethThat's a new word to me as well.

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06-01-2007, 08:33 PM

Posted By: CatScott: There is really no need to epologize.

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06-02-2007, 05:41 AM

Posted By: barrysloateFunny you should bring it up because as I was typing I said to myself which is more accurate, "emend" or "amend." It was a judgment call.

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06-02-2007, 11:10 AM

Posted By: MVSNYCbarry- sorry if you said this already, but when does bidding start & end?

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06-02-2007, 11:17 AM

Posted By: barrysloateClosing date is June 28, opening date is around June 7 give or take a day.

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06-02-2007, 11:57 AM

Posted By: MVSNYCthanks! best of luck...

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06-02-2007, 12:17 PM

Posted By: BobBarry- I tried checking your auction today (1:15 pm CDT) but can get no where with it. Is it being "tweaked?" I get the banner and then some other graphics superimposed over it but no cards and can't navigate. tbob

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06-02-2007, 12:56 PM

Posted By: barrysloateBob- we shut it down. It was not supposed to launch until next week and it isn't ready yet. It was creating confusion and we will wait until Tuesday or Wednesday when we are better prepared.

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06-02-2007, 01:40 PM

Posted By: PaulMaybe Hal can revise the title of this thread to say that Barry's auction is no longer up.

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06-02-2007, 01:52 PM

Posted By: Cobby33Right now, it's an auction about nothing.

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06-02-2007, 02:02 PM

Posted By: barrysloateMaybe Hal should do that until we are up. And to shift gears for a moment-just a reminder it was forty years ago today...

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06-02-2007, 03:36 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanBarry, that is truly remarkable. 40 years have passed -- hard to believe. Such a seminal recording even today. How freaking old are we?

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06-02-2007, 03:43 PM

Posted By: DMcDThat makes sixty years since Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play ! Man, do I feel old.

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06-02-2007, 04:16 PM

Posted By: barrysloateI can remember the day it came out and first heard it on the radio- and 104.3 played it completely today at noon. Still the greatest album ever.

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06-03-2007, 03:37 AM

Posted By: Joe PelaezBarry Sloate's auction is UP ... May 31 2007, 4:44 PM "Hey Joe P.- everyone is hijacking my auction thread. Where are you when I need you to help me out? This is a pretty disrespectful bunch, don't you think?" * * I tried not to get involved, and you try to get cutesie. Those of the Tender skin should never ever try to call anyone out to a verbal debate. ... you of all people, don't pack it. You are not quick. You are not creative. All you can do, and you do it well, is mimic, like a parrot. And why is that? ... simple: You've spent most of your life, locked up in your home in Brooklyn, watching TV almost 24/7. ... talk about a dull life. And while we're talking about dull things. You were the one that told us that you have a short attention span problem, and because of that problem, you find yourself getting bored while reading some threads, eventually the state of boredom is replaced with the desire to change the dullard authors thread. Now we find out, that Barry's short attention span, is not his only problem. In this very thread, and I've archived it just in case he tries to change it. We find out that he also has a reading comprehension problem. In a false sense of confidence, he's inviting people to participate in a Seinfeld trivia get together on Hals auction thread. No Bubala baby, I never said the 31 May/1ST June. The date that I did mention was the last day of the auction. The 28 June. Now, if you were to make that Seinfeld Marathon invitation to your bidders for the 28 June, then I would believe that you might have pelotas connected to your body I didn't ask for this, I was invited to the dance by a punk. If Diminutive Barry ever wants to play the NYC Dozens in person, I would be delighted to, but I wouldn't hold back like I have here. Kids might be looking at this. To Barry's AK Choir: If you find anything above that appears to be cryptic to you. Please let me know. I will take you by the hand, and bring you to the thread where you can read Master Sloate's words for yourself. I wonder if Master Sloate will invite his bidders to the Seinfeld Trivia Marathon on the 28 June? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-03-2007, 04:58 AM

Posted By: barrysloateJoe- I think it's time you and I just call a truce and stop these hostile exchanges. It's not appropriate to clutter up the board with this personal stuff and I think it's gone on long enough. We both have to move on, and this will be the last post of yours I will respond to. Let's both of us try to contribute to the board in a positive manner, and let's keep personal animus out of this. Thank you.

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06-03-2007, 05:25 AM

Posted By: Martin Neal Joe, You should try harder to not get involved. This was the first thread I read today. What a bunch of crap. I don't know what personal animosity you may have towards Barry, nor do I care, but why do I have to read about it?

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06-03-2007, 06:14 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanJoe, does Barry have compromising pictures of you or something like that?

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06-03-2007, 06:36 AM

Posted By: dennis must be compromising pictures that show joe purchasing modern shiney cards?

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06-03-2007, 07:55 AM

Posted By: Joe PelaezMay 31 2007, 4:44 PM "Hey Joe P.- everyone is hijacking my auction thread. Where are you when I need you to help me out? This is a pretty disrespectful bunch, don't you think?" Martin you should try harder at not reading what you don't want to read. Jeff, that was funny, but what makes you think that it couldn't be the other way around? Dennis, who spilled the beans about the shiney stuff? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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06-03-2007, 07:59 AM

Posted By: Steve MurrayA sharp tongue is no indication of a keen mind. Keep talking, someday you'll say something intelligent! At least you are not obnoxious like so many other people - you are obnoxious in a different and worse way! People say that you are outspoken but not by anyone that I know of. Perhaps your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others. Don't get insulted, but is your job devoted to spreading ignorance? Some people are has-beens. You are a never-was. Some people don't hesitate to speak their minds because they have nothing to lose. Too bad stupidity isn't painful.