Top 50 T206's...by N54'ers

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Was curious how many of these we own. Please only post a scan if you own the card. (list thanks to Scot Reader)<br /><br />1. Cobb (Cobb back) XXXXXXXXX<br />2.Doyle (NY, Nat'l)<br />3. Wagner (Pittsburg) XXXXXXXXXXX<br />4. Plank XXXXXXXXXXXX<br />5. O'Hara (St.Louis) XXXXXXXXX<br />6. Demmitt (St.Louis) XXXXXXXXX<br />7. Magie XXXXXXXXX<br />8. Elberfeld portrait (Washington) XXXXXXXXXXX<br />9. Lundgren (Chi) XXXXXXXXX<br />10. Smith (Chi & Bos) XXXXXXXXXXXXXX<br />11. Persons XXXXXXXXX<br />12. Cranston XXXXXXXXX<br />13. Foster XXXXXXXX<br />14. Mullaney<br />15. Revelle XXXXXXXXXX<br />16. Hart (Little Rock) XXXXXXXX<br />17. Manion XXXXXXXXX<br />18. Ellam XXXXXXXXXX<br />19. Smith (Shreveport)<br />20. Ryan XXXXXXXXXXX<br />21. Lafitte XXXXXXXXXX<br />22. Howard (Savannah) XXXXXXXXX<br />23. Shaughnessy <br />24. Smith (Atl)<br />25. Fritz <br />26. Molesworth XXXXXXXXXX<br />27. Coles XXXXXXX<br />28. Paige XXXXXXXXX<br />29. Bay XXXXXXXXX<br />30. Reagan XXXXXXXXXX<br />31. Dahlen (Brooklyn) XXXXXXXX<br />32. Kiernan XXXXXXXXXX<br />33. Stark XXXXXXXX<br />34. Lipe XXXXXXXXXX<br />35. Otey XXXXXXXXXX<br />36. Breitenstein XXXXXXXXX<br />37. Jordan (Atl)<br />38. Hickman<br />39. Doyle (N.Y.) XXXXXXXXXXX<br />40. Lentz XXXXXXXX<br />41. Perdue XXXXXXXXXX<br />42. Brown (Washington) XXXXXXXXXX<br />43. Bastian XXXXXXXXX<br />44. Thornton<br />45. Bernhard XXXXXXXXXXX<br />46. Violat<br />47. Guiheen XXXXXXXXXXXX<br />48. Helm XXXXXXXXX<br />49. Greminger XXXXXXXXXXX<br />50. Hooker XXXXXXXXX

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>My two contributions....<br /><br />16.<br /><img src="http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l111/asphaltman76/T206%20set/hartfront.jpg"><br /><br />34. <br /><img src="http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l111/asphaltman76/T206%20set/lipebig.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>I sold my MAGIE.....(dumb mistake).<br /><br />Anyhow, here are my top tough ones. <br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/demmitt.jpg"><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/ohara.jpg"><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/aclundgren.jpg"><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/elberfld.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>I lack 1 2 3 4 5 and 7... not going to go get them, dig through to find the other 44, scan 'em, and post 'em.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Frank, <br /><br />The fun of it is the scans. I'm aware there are a few people here that have about all of them...but then if it went by that...game over right?

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...but there is no way you are going to get people to identify which of 50 cards they own. You would have been better served keeping it to the top 10, especially since that list would not include any Southern Leaguers.<br /><br />Keeping it to Top 10, I have 4-10:<br /><br />4. Plank<br />5. O'Hara (St.Louis) <br />6. Demmitt (St.Louis)<br />7. Magie<br />8. Elberfeld portrait (Washington)<br />9. Lundgren (Chi) <br />10. Smith (Chi & Bos)<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>judson hamlin</b><p>Count me in for 9-43 and 45-50, although the Thornton should be on my list soon.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Ok...thread wasn't taken the way I intended. It was intended for any scanned cards of the one listed. Not a "I own 25-50"...but anyway, looks like everyone has about all of them, so thread over.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>I forgot Frank Smith (Chicago & Boston) on my prior post<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/arraysmith460.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>We always enjoy showing off our T206 "toughies".<br />This can be an interesting Thread.<br /><br />Just disregard the "critics".......<br /><br />Besides, there haven't been many Threads on the Southern Leaguers.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Ted- which scoundrel got ahold of your Magie? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Scott T</b><p>Now I know the reason I can't find an inexpensive low grade Ed Foster card!<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/scottopotamus/1909-1911%20T206%20Collection/109BillCranston.jpg"> <img src="http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/scottopotamus/1909-1911%20T206%20Collection/408DutchRevelle.jpg"><br><br>Scott <br />

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Posted By: <b>Tyler</b><p>I'm new to the "monster", but here is my 1 contribution...<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179324300.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Up until recently I had 45 of the 50 here, and would not have posted a scan of 45 cards on this thread. That would make for an unbelievably long and unreadable thread if more than a few people with near sets chimed in.<br /><br />I think the scarcities thread would be very interesting. But, "post all your Southern Leaguers," would be a problem, too. Too many scans, not enough useful data to be gleaned from them. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>You "con-ned" me out of it......you twisted my arm......what a buddy you are ?<br />And, all the good advice you gave me back in the 1980's regarding rare T206's.<br />I guess things were different in the 1990's.<br /><br />Barry<br />All kidding aside.....what's your guess on what that MAGIE (vg) would sell for<br /> nowadays ?<br /><br />My guess is 10 x .....what you sold it for back in 1998.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Hey- I should have kept it myself. As I recall, it was at least good or better, and I think I paid you $1500 (but it could have been less). Yeah, something close to five figures today.<br /><br />And I probably gave you my gloom and doom spiel and told you to sell your cards before the inevitable market collapse <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Rob L</b><p>#42<br /><br /><img src="http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f258/loefflerrd/7b9b_1.jpg"><br /><br />Took out the Smith, Chi-Bos which is already posted<br /><br />Rob L

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>The purpose of the thread was not for everybody to post each of the cards on the top 50 they own. That would be rather stupid. It was just to get a scan of each of the cards on the list by board members. I didn't want to see 15 different Paige's. Usually when we've had these kind of threads people would have enough sense to post two or three they have and then see if someone else could fill in the rest.....if one person posted 48 of the 50 cards...would pretty much take any fun out of the thread. Oh well.

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Was $11,750 (incl. juice) in REA (SGC 30):<br /><br /><a href="http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/site/bidplace.aspx?itemid=8307" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/site/bidplace.aspx?itemid=8307</a>

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...I misunderstood the intent of your original post.<br /><br />Let me see if I can help -- you guys are going to get sick of seeing this beater (since I never get tired of sharing it):<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179336882.JPG"> <br /><br />And here's another shabby rarity...<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179337134.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>A beater looks a whole lot better when it's a Plank <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>I see looking back my comment of "lets see how many of these we own" could be taken as "lets see if we have 100 of any card on the list. So my fault there...it was early in the morning...and I hadn't had any coffee.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>I do recall your "gloom and doom" scenario that BB card prices were going to tumble. But, that was<br />10 years ago, and in your defense, how could ever foresee the impact that Ebay was to make.<br /><br />Anyhow, the 1500 figure you noted was for the T205 Hoblitzell (no stats) card I consigned to you.<br /><br />The Magie card, I consigned to you, sold for 2000. Today that card would have probably graded a<br /> "3" or a "40" (depending who graded it). And, on ebay would garner about 20K.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>You remember it better than I do- was a Hoblitzell No Stats really worth that much ten years ago? And I don't recall if your Magie would have been a 2 or a 3...20K seems a bit rich, but who knows.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>You have to stop apologizing, most of us understood the theme of this Thread. And, it's a meaningful one, <br />because by the time you have checked-off all the cards you have listed, we'll all be able to recognize the<br /> "toughest 50" in the T206 set.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Ted, <br /><br />If you get a chance shoot me an email please sir. I have a T206 question I'd like more of an expert's opinion on. <br /><br />Thanks

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...myself included, did not understand the theme of the thread. So I apologized and, in any event, appreciate the apology. Some of us know how to accept apologies.

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p>Hi Dave,<br /> I have:<br />5. O'Hara (St.Louis) <br />6. Demmitt (St.Louis) <br />7. Magie<br />8. Elberfeld portrait (Washington)<br />9. Lundgren (Chi) <br />10. Smith (Chi & Bos<br /> <br />And at least 2 of each Southern Leaguer. I will only post a couple to keep from hogging the thread... Be well Brian <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Here are a few Southern Leaguers:<br /><br /><img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/17061369.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Mike Ernst</b><p>Have all except 1-4 and 7. Includes 3 Lundgrens and 3 Smith Chicago and Boston. All in my possession since 1972.

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179347761.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>S Gross</b><p>I only own one T206 -- but he's only 19 behind Wagner !!<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>!!<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/mybuddyinc/x%20-%20etc/howardsav.jpg"><br /><br /><br />(not a very good likeness)

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>If my recollection is correct....we were both surprised that the T205 Hoblitzell (no stats)<br />went for as much as it did. Nowadays, that price would be disappointing.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>My Ted Breitenstein is tougher than its position on the list as it is a HINDU.<br /><br />OK, you 19th Century TRIVIA buffs....what is Ted B. famous for ?<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/abreitenhindu.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Breitenstein threw a no-hitter in the majors.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>5. O'Hara (St.Louis) PSA 3<br />6. Demmitt (St.Louis) PSA 2<br /><br />8. Elberfeld portrait (Washington) PSA 5<br />9. Lundgren (Chi) PSA 5<br />10. Smith (Chi & Bos) PSA 5

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Posted By: <b>George</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179352080.JPG"> <br /><br />This card is not graded. If I do get it graded, I am interested in the opinions of board members with regard to which grading company to use. Also, what grade do you think it should be? The back is the same as the front......no damage.

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>I'd go with SGC, if I were you.

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Posted By: <b>David</b><p><img src="http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u200/Nedwob53/scan0017.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>George,<br /><br />If your looking to sell, then go PSA, looks like solid PSA 3 or PSA 4 o/c. If your keeping the card, there's no reason to get it graded at this time, however I would keep the card in a safe and secure place and try to avoid taking it out too often.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>George,<br />Nice card. For a card like that, either PSA or SGC is fine. I have not noticed any difference in prices realized based on grading company for a card like that. People interested in those sorts of cards look at the card itself. As for the grade, I think either PSA or SGC would give it a vg/ex 4. No qualifiers necessary in my opinion. Centering might be a problem if it were an 8, but not at that level.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>George- it looks like a strong 4/50, with an outside shot at a 5/60 if it has no creases and you get lucky. Beautiful card!<br />SGC is stricter, but I would go with them. They'll probably go with the 50.

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>I agree with Barry; on a good day you have a shot at a 5/60.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Brian Weisner</b><p> Hi Ted,<br /> The Hooker and Bernhard above are also HINDU'S... And so are these:::<br /><br />PS I have a nice Breitenstein/ Hindu in a PSA 5, but the colors on your card are nicer.<br /><br />PS 2: George, Nice Plank!!!!! <br /><br /><img src="http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q257/hogan6g/17061407.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Dave, I do apologize for dashing your "fun". To me, scrolling through a long list of scans isn't fun... half a dozen of the regulars could post close to 300 images on this. I perceived it to be a population poll. Sorry for screwing it up for you.<br /><br />Frank.

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Posted By: <b>Scott L</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179357644.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Scott,<br /><br />Is the back of your card messed up, it seems that PSA was pretty tuff on you.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Frank...<br />The wonderful thing about this forum is you can bypass the threads with lots of "scans".

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Latsko....<br /><br />When did you pick up a southern leaguer I wasn't aware of?

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Brian, those cards with Hindu backs are incredible.

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Posted By: <b>John S</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179361667.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>bill latzko</b><p>dave-asphaltman-which southern leaguer are you referring to?? I had the wagner (authenicated trimmed on 3 sides and sold it like an idiot 2 yrs ago; have the plank(psa 5), magie (4); demmitt and O'Hara 3's) Elberfeld(5) and the following in 5's #9, 13,16,24, 33, 39, 46 and 47. All others in PSA 6. I do not have the rare Doyle version and I would love to upgrade any of my t206's that I do not have in a psa 6 if anyone has some.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Bill-<br />I was referring to Scott Latsko above. Pretty similar last name. I'm well aware of your set registry Bill. Would make one quite envious. Since I live up the road from you in Canton...maybe I should ask..any chance for a yard sale this weekend where you'd have T206's by the quarter in a laundry basket? LOL.<br /><br />Dave

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Posted By: <b>bill latzko</b><p>don't be envious....it's why everyone sends their kids to college and mine better get scholarships!!!Although I am pretty "proud" of it and it's been a heck of a labor of love. And I wish I could find some at a garage or estate sale instead of battling the biggies on ebay all the time. Wonder if Scott Latsko is related to the fullback on the national champion Florida Gators (billy Latsko)

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Bill...<br /><br />I've yet to get lucky like that at a yardsale or antique shop..but then again you'd probably have to get away from the Woodstock, Canton area. I don't think there are many folks in Bridgemill or Townelake with groups of T206's to get rid of and not know what they have. Unfortunate as it may be.

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Posted By: <b>Scott L</b><p>Peter<br />Thanks for asking the question, gave me an excuse to look at a card I hadn't looked at in a while. Back has no paperloss and the card is crease free. I looked in the light to see if I could see any spider wrinkles and if they're there I can't see them. Given that and the fact that the card has nice centering I agree that it is probably undergraded. I actually bought it from Richard Ha on the B/S/T page and I remember him making a comment that the card looked like a 6 or something to that effect.<br /><br />Dave<br />As I mentioned above I picked it up a few months ago from Richard Ha. My one and only SLer to date.<br /><br />Bill<br />I noticed Billy Latsko for the first time this year while watching a Florida game. First time I've ever seen someone with my last name other than my family. As far as I know we aren't related but it wouldn't surprise me if we were somewhere along the way

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179367307.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>BRIAN W<br /><br />My Breitenstein might be nicer than yours, but I can't come close in comparison with your 36 other HINDU So. Lgers.<br /><br />Regards,<br />TED Z<br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/bayguiheenreagan.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Your answer to my TRIVIA ? on Breitenstein is only partially correct.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>Why isn't Bill Dahlen in the HOF ?<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/abdahlen.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>David</b><p>Hey Ted<br />Breitenstein threw a no hitter in his first major league start. What did I win? just kidding

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Posted By: <b>Adam</b><p><br /><br /><img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s164/aamoniz/magie.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s164/aamoniz/three.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Ted- what is the half of the trivia question I left out? I believe he tossed it in 1898, and I am doing this from memory (I'm not cheating). Is the fact it was in the 19th century the other half?

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Updated as to the cards that have been shown in scans...don't think I missed any, but maybe.

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Posted By: <b>Dave S</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179404415.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179404471.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179404519.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179404561.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>DAVE F<br /><br />Three more Southern Leaguers on your list<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/bastianoteystark.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>You guys are not quite there on the Ted Breitenstein TRIVIA quiz.....<br /><br />What is he best known for ?<br /><br />One more go on this 19th Century TRIVIA ?

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>In 1894 he pitched in 56 games. A record?<br /><br />With 50 decisions (W27 L23). A record?

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>He was second all time in innings pitched for the N.L.?<br />He was also in a nasty horse carriage accident. Don't see those much anymore.

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Posted By: <b>Rich Klein</b><p>Pitch a no-no in his 1st major league start

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>He also got a single vote in 1937 for the Hall of Fame....thats interesting.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Okay Ted- this is getting too esoteric. I give up. Did he pitch the final no hitter of the 19th century?

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>BARRY<br /><br />Could very well be....but, not the answer.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>He is one of a few pitchers who pitched a No-Hitter on opening day of the BB season.<br />He did this pitching for Cincy (vs Pitt) on April 22, 1898. It wasn't his rookie game, as<br /> he had been in the Majors since 1891.<br /><br />Now a follow-up QUIZ....who are the others who have pitched No-Hitters on opening day ?<br /><br />I'll start with Bob Feller.....I think he one.

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>I'm pretty sure there hasn't been anybody besides Feller to do that.

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Posted By: <b>RIch Klein</b><p>Ted:<br /><br />Like I said, Breitenstein pitched a no-hitter in his first major league start. Of coure, that depends on what you call the AA as a major league but many 19th century experts do consider that a major league<br /><br />Regards<br />Rich<br /><br /><a href="http://www.baseball-almanac.com/pitching/pinohit4.shtml" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseball-almanac.com/pitching/pinohit4.shtml</a><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I think Dave is right.<br /><br />Bobo Holloman did it in his first start, but that's the answer to a different trivia question.

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>In the back of my mind, I thought I remembered Ted B. pitching a No-Hitter in his very 1st game.<br />However, when I looked it up in my BB encyclopedia I couldn't find this fact.<br /><br />So, please forgive me for not acknowledging this fact. I better acquire a better BB encyclopedia.<br /><br />Thanks for the enlightenment....and also, I should have went with my 1st thought on this subject.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>A bit off topic, but here is my trivia question:<br /><br />What honored guest threw out the first ball at the Minnesota Twins inaugural game in April, 1961?

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Posted By: <b>Rob NYC</b><p><img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Gallery19/Museum/T206-Elberfeld-PR-FR-a.jpg"> <img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Gallery19/Museum/T206-Elberfeld-W-f-OldMill.jpg"> <img src="http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Gallery19/Museum/T206-Elberfeld-W-f-P.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p>Barry: According to NYT archives first ball thrown out at Twins <u>inaugural</u> game (against NY on April 11 at Yankee Stadium) was by Borough President James J. Lyons. First ball thrown out at Minnesota's home opener (on April 21 versus "new" Washington Senators) was by Governor Elmer Anderson. Either way I think I am missing something. I thought the answer was going to be someone cool like Bob Dylan or Baby Jay Behrens. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Unless I'm wrong, I heard the first ball was thrown out by Dummy Hoy. He was 99 years old at the time, and died later that year. That didn't turn up at all?

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Posted By: <b>Rich Klein</b><p>Threw out the 1st pitch of game 3 of the 1961 World Series at age 99; it was an honor as he had a good chance (did not quite make it) of being the 1st retired major leaguer to reach 100<br /><br />Regards<br />Rich

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Posted By: <b>DMcD</b><p>A SABR geek would know and the NYT of October 9, 1961 confirms that 99 year old Dummy Hoy threw out the first pitch of the third game at Cincinnati. (Third pitch of first game would have been thrown by Whitey Ford, but I digress). Couldn't find anything correlating Hoy and the Twins.<br /><br />Some good trivia and, for you nostalgia fans, some sweet banter from America's Sweethearts, Runscott and Julie, on an old N54 thread:<br /><a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1077088330/stupid+baseball+trivia" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1077088330/stupid+baseball+trivia</a>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Thanks for correcting me. I've been wrong all these years.

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>Shag:<br /><br /><img src="http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f93/crazylocomerk/T206/ShaughnessyShagSL.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>David</b><p>My source on the Breitenstein threw a no-no in his first major league start was The New Biographical History of Baseball . Good red flag reading, for you Seinfeld fans.

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Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Here is my Lundgren:<br /><br /><img src="http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p280/dsh46/lundgren.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>To me he is the TOUGHEST of the Southern Leaguers. I am surprised that he isn't listed 1st (#11<br />on the above list) in the ranking order of the 48 So. Lgrs.<br /><br />"Shag"....was that his nickname for his hairdo....or short for Shaughnessy ?

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Posted By: <b>Matthew</b><p>Ted, are there any others you see that are way off from where you feel they should rank? I agree on Shag & would add Carey (not even in top 50), Breitenstein, & Violat as some of the tougher SLers. I also seem to have had no problem finding multiple copies of Foster, Hart (LR) & Smith (Shreveport). Thanks for any input.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.viaboomimage.com/is.php?i=55647&img=shag206.jpg"><br /><br />Edited to say = input from anyone is welcome

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Posted By: <b>Dave F</b><p>Funny you can find the Smith (Shreveport) fairly easily. I have a tough time with that one....had a PSA 3 a year ago and let it go...and havent' found another since...at least not another for a decent deal.

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Posted By: <b>Eric</b><p>Is definitely one of the toughest SLers to find. It's the only card I have doubles of, and mainly for that reason. This one is ungraded. My PSA 2 is above, in a previous post. By the way, sorry for the really crappy pic. I was too lazy to scan it in tonight.<br /><br /><img src="http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f93/crazylocomerk/T206/ShaughnessyShag.jpg"><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p><img src="http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j197/OSeedy/Top50List.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>In the 3 prior T206 sets I have put together these Southern Leaguers have always been the toughest<br />for me to find......<br /><br />Breitenstein<br />Coles<br />Hickman<br />Paige<br />Revelle<br />Shaughnessy<br /><br />And the easist, by far, has to be Thebo.....can anyone explain why ?

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p><img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/afritzjordsmiththor.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>DavaeW</b><p>I've got all of these, if you start counting at 8. The top seven are what I'm missing from my near set. Here's some SL pics from my original hand-me-down set.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179702980.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179702998.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179703024.JPG"> <br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179703046.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179703077.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179703103.JPG"> <br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179703129.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179703152.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179703178.JPG"> <br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179703197.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179703256.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1179703274.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Rob NYC</b><p>I thought the X's would represent the number of copies represented by the forum.

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Rob,<br />I am not sure what the Xs are meant to represent, but I can't imagine more board members have Cobb back, Wagner or Plank than have Jordan or Hickman.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>means that it has been shown. Not intended to denote number of cards.

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Posted By: <b>Danny Grimes</b><p>nice cards guys simply awesome!! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> just curious someone's sgc graded card said "from the lionel carter collection" who's he? just un-familiar with the name.<br /><br /><br />Danny

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Danny,<br />Lionel Carter was a hobby pioneer who began collecting in 1932. He is in his 90's now and Mastro Auctions recently auctioned a large part of his collection. YOu can real about it here: <a href="http://press.mastroauctions.com/images/press/2007/Premier/April/LionelCarter.pdf" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://press.mastroauctions.com/images/press/2007/Premier/April/LionelCarter.pdf</a><br /><br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Danny Grimes</b><p>thats some interesting facts about lionel. thanks!

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Posted By: <b>Scott Levy</b><p>Speaking for my Dad .... Missing the Wagner and the Doyle...have all the others (also have an extra Demmitt psa3, and Seitz g-vg). I've got to learn how to add scans here!<br /><br />Regards,<br />Scott

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Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>I misinterpreted the thread originally. I also have Persons, Smtih (Chicago & Boston) and Elberfeld Wash. Portrait from the list.