Dual Aces

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Christy Mathewson and Iron Joe McGinnty. What other combos come to mind.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>Koufax and Drysdale<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Kevin Cummings</b><p>Not long term arrangements, mind you, but for a single season two of my favorites would be:<br /><br />Larry Corcoran & Fred Goldsmith - 1880 Chicago White Stockings (you can thank me later, Mr. Dreker)<br /><br />Ed Seward & Gus Weyhing - 1888 Philadelphia Athletics<br /><br />And don't crucify me for the modern day reference, but in 2001 Schilling and Johnson weren't too shabby for the Arizona Diamondbacks.

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>“I don’t know if we’re the oldest battery, but we sure are the ugliest.”<br /> -- Warren Spahn, about he and Yogi Berra.

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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>Ace of spades and hearts are my favorite.<br /><br />Do aces generally like applesauce?<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>David,<br /><br />Spahn and Sain and hope for rain.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Steve Murray</b><p>Speaking of aces I was playing holdem yesterday, on line, small tourney and two players had pocket aces. Flop was three diamonds. I bet you can guess the rest of this story <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Winning hand is an Ace high flush. <br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p><br />Dizzy and Daffy Dean.<br /><br />Just two quality years together but inextricably linked.<br /><br />1934: 30-7 / 19-11<br />1935: 28-12 / 19-12

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Denny McLain and Mickey Lolich. Actually Mickey outshined Denny in the post-season.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Rob</b><p>21st century - Schilling and Johnson are the first to come to my mind.

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Posted By: <b>Chris Counts</b><p>They don't get much ink, but how about Paul Derringer and Bucky Walter? If Johnny Vandemeer didn't get untracked, the Reds' rotation in '39 and '40 might have been one of the best ever. Even without Vandemeer, they still won two pennants and the title in '40, very much the same way the D-Backs did with Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling carrying the team ...

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Palmer and Cuellar.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>here's a kind of obscure dual ace combo but what a year! 1939 led reds to pennant. hard to top these two.<br /> <br /> Bucky Walters 36 31 319.0 27-11 2.29<br /> Paul Derringer 35 28 301.0 25-7 2.93

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Posted By: <b>Steve f</b><p>Christy and Victory Faust

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Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>Steve,<br /><br />Yesterday I had AA cracked twice. Once by KK and then by AQ -- not a good day...<br /><br />Brian

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Posted By: <b>Silver King</b><p>I went for the trios: <br /><br />1887 St. Louis Browns<br />Silver King 32-12<br />Bob Caruthers 29-9<br />Dave Foutz 25-12<br /><br />1888 St. Louis Browns<br />Silver King 45-21 (1.64 era)<br />Nat Hudson 25-10 (2.54 era)<br />Elton Chamberlain 11-2 (1.61 era)

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Posted By: <b>J Levine</b><p>Maddux and Smoltz<br />Johnson and Schilling<br />Clemens and Mussina (Pettite)<br />Nolan Ryan and JR Richard<br />Drysdale and Koufax<br />Roberts and Konstanty<br />Paige and Lemon (for a short time)<br />Koufax and Newcombe<br />Spahn and Sain (and pray for rain)<br />Pennock and Ruffing<br />Pennock and Hoyt<br />Ruth and Mays<br />Blue and Hunter<br />Coombs and Waddell<br />Bender and Waddell<br />Matty and Marquad<br />Matty and Tesreau<br />Matty and McGinnity<br />Ewing and Rusie and Welch<br /><br />Just to name a few...<br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Seaver and Koosman.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Seaver and Ryan.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>The wife of one of my best friends and neighbors, is best friends with Jerry Koosmans ex wife. They are attached at the hip. Many interesting stories. Jerry's ex is very nice. Many fun times sitting around the camp fire shooting the breeze with her. She is not a big fan of Jerry.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Barry, I was gonna say Seaver and Koosman. Peter, Ryan was a reliever for the Mets. He didn't start often.<br /><br />Koosman grew a few miles from the farm where my mom grew up. He still has lots of family in the area around Appleton and Holloway, MN. If anyone besides my brother knows where Holloway is, then you are a true Minnesotan. I'd include Appleton, but there have a maximum security prison there now, so not completely off the radar anymore.<br /><br />How about Blyleven and Viola with Reardon coming out of the pen.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: <b>Denny</b><p>"Big" Ed Walsh, Doc White &/or Frank Smith<br /><br />Life's Grand,<br />Denny Walsh

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Juan Marichal, Gaylord Perry.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Jay is correct- Ryan had minimal impact as a Met.<br /><br />When the Mets made the worst trade in history and sent him to California in 1972 for Jim Fregosi, he first blossomed into a great pitcher.<br /><br />Edited to add as a lifetime Giants fan, how could I forget Marichal and Perry. In 1966, Perry was 20-2 in August, then lost six straight games and finished 21-8. What a heartbreaker that losing streak was.

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>For one year, Santana and Liriano. Check the incredible stats if you don't believe me. Santana won the Cy Young and Liriano was the better of the two, for one year at least.

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Posted By: <b>howard</b><p>Barry, I had no idea about how Perry's '66 ended but I guess he had a history of that. In 1974 he got off to a 15-1, 1.24 start and ended up at 21-13, 2.52.<br /><br />For one season dominance by teammates it would be hard to top Newhouser and Trout in 1944:<br /><br />Newhouser 29-9, 2.22<br /><br />Trout 27-14, 212<br /><br />Of course, it was the middle of the War so the competition was a bit watered down.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Whitey Ford and Jim Bouton.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Howard- I remember 1966 very well. That was the year I thought the Giants would finally overtake the Dodgers, but it didn't happen. Then when Koufax retired that year I felt for sure the Giants would coast in '67, but that didn't happen either.<br /><br />And in 2002 they led the World Series 3 games to 2, and had a 5-0 lead in the 8th inning of game six. Well, that too never happened.<br /><br />I'm still waiting.

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Revealing my Dodgers bias, how about Don Sutton and Tommy John on those great '70's teams.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>CN</b><p> Barry as a diehard mets follower I agree that the Nolan Ryan for Fregosi trade was one of the worst but IMO Ryan would have never blossomed with the Mets. After 5 years he only showed glimpses of greatness and he would have always been in Seavers shadow and to a lesser extent Koosman's. Also his wife Ruth felt very uncomfortable in NY. I don't fault the Mets for trading Ryan but they should have got much more than a shortstop who was over the hill and being moved to a new position. I wonder if Ryan would have been a HOFER if he was not traded. CN

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>John Harrell</b><p>How about Feller, Lemon, Wynn, Garcia in 54?<br /><br />John

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>CN,<br /><br />It just seems like it takes longer for fastballers to harness their substantial gifts. <br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Rube Waddell and Eddie Plank.<br /><br />-Al

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Jim, I grew up an LA Dodgers fan in the 70s. Beyond Sutton and John you had Hooton, Rhoden and Rau. What a starting pitching staff they had, always led the league in ERA.

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Posted By: <b>Dave S</b><p>Mordecai Brown & Big Ed Reulbach

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Posted By: <b>Peter Spaeth</b><p>Abbott and Costello.

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Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>Always led the league in ERA, Jeff...<br /><br />...but couldn't get Reggie Jackson out. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />-Al

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Posted By: <b>Marty Ogelvie</b><p><P>Dave Stewart</P><P>Bob Welch</P><P>Oakland A's late 80s early 90s duo. I think Welch won 27 one year as Stewart won 22 or 23. It drove me cazy as a Dodger fan to see these 2 dominant pitchers escape the Dodger blue grasp.. </P><br><br>martyOgelvie<br />nyyankeecards.com

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Al, only Bob Welch could....

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Nolan Ryan and Mike Scott.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>John H.</b><p>McNally, Cuellar, Palmer and Dobson all won 20 for the '71 Orioles. It just don't get any better than that.<br /><br />Spahn and Burdette were terrific together for a long time in Milwaukee.<br /><br />John

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Posted By: <b>Pennsylvania Ted</b><p>1904 NY Highlanders<br /><br />Jack Chesbro.....41 - 12<br /><br />Jack Powell.......23 - 19<br /><br />combined..........64 - 31<br /><br />They Won 70% of the 92 games NY won that season. Can't beat this "duo" for a single-season<br /> performance.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>Charley Radbourne 59 12<br />Charley Sweeney 17 8<br /> Totals 76 20

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Posted By: <b>Marty Ogelvie</b><p><P>Charley Radbourne 59 12<BR>Charley Sweeney 17 8<BR>Totals 76 20</P><P> </P><P>I wouldn't call that a pair of Aces.</P><P>I Would call that a pair of 7s with an Ace high.</P>