t206 piedmont fact 42 question

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Posted By: <b>johnny</b><p>HELLO ALL!!!<br /><br />i just picked up a t206 piedmont 42 jordan a week or two ago on ebay..<br />i noticied before i bid, the blue ink on the back is not the typical "lighter" blue found on most pied 42's ...<br />the blue is typical dark blue characteristic of most piedmont backs...i have noticed one other example i saw a year ago, but lost the bid....<br /><br />luckily i won this one...<br />i am having trouble posting the link or the scan...<br /> can post the auction #230103488177<br /><br />has anyone noticed these ?????<br /><br />thanks<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Lee</b><p>Both of my fact 42's have lighter ink than the other piedmonts I have seen and own (many of them). Maybe the lighter ink is due to the 42's being printed at one factory (NC) and they just happened to be the only factory to use the lighter ink? As for your back, I see that is about the color of a regular piedmont. Maybe they made a run with darker ink....Other people on here may know better than I.

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Posted By: <b>Scot Reader</b><p>I have found that many if not most Piedmont 42s fall into one of two categories:<br /><br />1. Light blue ink, centered.<br /><br />2. Dark blue ink, off-center left to right.<br /><br />Also, most Piedmont 42s (about 90%) are 350/460 subjects. 460-only subjects are rarely found with Piedmont 42 [except Kleinow (Boston) and Smith (Chicago and Boston) which have the same 460 back profile as 350/460 RP subjects].

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>i've owned one of each (one lighter blue 42 & one regular, dark 42)...<br /><br />not sure what conclusions can be drawn...all i know is, they are tuff!

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Michael- since you asked on the other thread, I also have a red Cobb with a Piedmont factory 42.

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>barry- you're beautiful, man... <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Now that I recall, wasn't I supposed to email you a list? Am I allowed to post them on the board without overstepping protocol?

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Posted By: <b>MVSNYC</b><p>yes, you owe me a list...<br /><br />keep it between us (i was supposed to get an early preview)<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>You'll have an email in 20 minutes.

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Posted By: <b>johnny</b><p>guys, thanks for the responses...<br /><br />i have also theorized that 2 factories or possible print runs have accounted for this...<br /><br />like i said, i own a few 42's, but i collect mostly the error/scrap/oddballs t206...i think i may have 4 or 5 42's...<br /><br />offset to the right, huh?! nice observation...<br />like i said, i very rarely see the 42's in the dark blue ink...i have only seen one other example like i said...<br /><br />can anyone post a scan of a darker blue 42??<br /><br />also, how do i insert photos??,it just sends me to photobucket<br /><br />thanks guys

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Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>I have collected factory 42s off and on for several years and have noticed the different color variations. Note sure this adds anything or not, but the three light blue 42s came from the same lot. All the others were from individual sellers. <br /><img src="http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e268/123MARTINS/fac42.jpg"><br /><img src="http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e268/123MARTINS/fac42lajoie.jpg"><br /><img src="http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e268/123MARTINS/fac42s7.jpg"><br />

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Posted By: <b>johnny</b><p>MARTIN!!!<br /><br />nice cards!!!<br />thanks for posting the pics!!<br />either way, 42's are real tuff, looks like these darker blues might account for 10% of them so far, how many dark blus out of all yours??<br /><br />thanks again<br /><br />johnny

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Posted By: <b>Martin Neal</b><p>Hi Johnny,<br /><br /> 4 of the 42s are dark blue. I guess there should be 41 different backs now. (smiley face here.) Seriously, would these be considered a different back? I think you can differentiate between light and dark blue 42s easier than you can black and brown old mills.

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Posted By: <b>RayB</b><p>I don't have much to add to the debate but I thought I would let any Factory 42 fans know that I've got a dynamite PSA 5 Tom Downey on eBay right now ending in a few days.<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=220099492802&rd=1&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=220099492802&rd=1&rd=1</a><br /><br />I f I'm slightly outside of Board protocol I apologize in advance for anyone who might be upset.<br /><br />Carry on; it's a great set, my favorite and back discussions always intrigue me.<br />Thanks.<br />RayB

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Posted By: <b>johnny</b><p>RAY!!!<br /><br />sweet card!!!can you post a scan of the back???light blue???<br />i would bid, but i really just chase oddball t206....but it is a nice card...<br /><br /><br />MARTIN!!<br /><br /><br />very interesting thought....<br />maybe these backs are affected in the way the brown/blacks or so forth are affected???...<br /><br />maybe a few big print runs???or perhaps 2 actual locations???<br /><br /><br />anyone out there have any ratio's of these lighter blue / darker blue piedmonts 42's??in their collections??<br /><br />any scans???<br /><br /><br />thanks <br /><br />johnny<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>RayB</b><p>Sorry guys...its a Sweet Cap Factory 42. <br />Duh.<br />RaYB