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02-22-2007, 11:56 AM

Posted By: DaveCobb back every time IMO. Also a question for whoever can answer...I just didn't want to post a whole thread for one dumb question... On Hal's Cobb with the Uzit back, is the PSA logo on the back the original looking label for PSA's? In other words is that one of the first graded by PSA? Just curious..I have one single card with the same back...and unfortunately I'm talking about the label back..not the card's back!

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02-22-2007, 11:58 AM

Posted By: Steve M.Looking at it solely from a financial standpoint isn't the Cobb back worth maybe 10 times the Uzit? Even without the financials of it I would keep the Cobb/Cobb.

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02-22-2007, 11:58 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisWell... you know how sometimes you can talk yourself into something that you KNOW is crazy? I think I had talked myself into thinking that the Uzit had the same "keeper" qualities as the Cobb/Cobb. Thanks for the "wake up call" slapping me back into reality!! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-22-2007, 12:01 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisSteve M.: A Cobb/Uzit in SGC 40 (PSA 3 equivalent) sold in the REA auction last year for $10,000 plus juice. Mine is much higher graded and is the highest-graded Cobb/Uzit... so you never know what some "big ego" guy might pay if he wants only the "best" card, etc. In all honesty... because my Cobb/Cobb is NOT the "best known" example... I truly don't know which card would sell for the most money.

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02-22-2007, 12:06 PM

Posted By: peter chaoHal, You've got a dilemma, but the way I would look at it is which card are you likely to be able to repurchase at some later date. The Cobb/Cobb you may never be able to buy again. It's a keeper. Peter

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02-22-2007, 12:07 PM

Posted By: RichardHal - the REA Uzit was an SGC 40.

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02-22-2007, 12:07 PM

Posted By: barrysloateHal- that's a good point. I too was going to say keep the Cobb with Cobb back, but that one could be replaced down the road. If the Cobb with Uzit is the finest known, you are not likely to replace it. So I think the real question is: if you let either one go, will you regret it and want to buy it back?

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02-22-2007, 12:11 PM

Posted By: JKHal, Both are great cards. I would keep the cobb/cobb - despite a lower grade, I think you would have a much tougher time replacing it in any condition down the road and, it happens to look great for the condition its in.

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02-22-2007, 12:15 PM

Posted By: MikeSell your car... get a vespa and keep them both. It's the only logical solution.

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02-22-2007, 12:17 PM

Posted By: jPWell since i dont own any Cobb T206 i would love to have them both. From what i have been learning and reading on the VBC looks like the Cobb back is the more scarce of the 2 but i guess if i had to pick 1 of those i would love to have the UZIT Cobb (im a sucker for nrmt graded cards) <img src="http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/obaks/ball.jpg"> my collection: <a href="http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/obaks/" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/obaks/</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m95/obaks/</a</a>>

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02-22-2007, 12:20 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCHal- you own both? congrats! cobb/cobb is a card that is known to be one of the most important in the hobby...no brainer. BUT, if you decide the sell EITHER card, i would be interested in your asking prices. p.s. dave- that is the first generation PSA back (although it is a second generation front- the first gen front had old school computer type-face)...

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02-22-2007, 12:23 PM

Posted By: AnthonyCobb/Cobb, no doubt. Is the Uzit the one that was discussed a lot on the FullCount board that BMW had, or was that another one? Added to say- it was discussed only because of rarity and price, not any other reason.

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02-22-2007, 12:26 PM

Posted By: DarrenI'd keep the Cobb/Cobb if not only for its legendary status.

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02-22-2007, 12:27 PM

Posted By: warshawlawNot even a question in my mind. Condition rarity does not match actual rarity for me. I'd rather have a low grade card that has only a handful of known specimens than a high grade card with more known cards. But why not keep both and tell her to suck eggs? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-22-2007, 12:30 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCis that the cobb/uzit that BMW cards was trying to sell for the longest time?

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02-22-2007, 12:30 PM

Posted By: E, DanielSo I'm going to go with the card I would enjoy looking at more. That Cobb/Cobb is butt ugly as far as my eyes can tell, and thats with all the squinting I have to do to make it out through its lack of register. Only way I would ever like to have it displayed is back showing, and sure enough that would be special... But the bat off is gorgeous (even if it's only really a '5' <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>), front and back. I could look at that card all day long <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>. So I go with the bat off, sell the cobb/cobb, and buy myself the nicest t206 plank I can afford with the proceeds! Daniel

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02-22-2007, 12:34 PM

Posted By: leonCobb/Cobb.....although I do agree I think I like the overall way the Uzit looks more. Not even a question as to which one I would keep though....I always take rarity over most other factors....

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02-22-2007, 12:40 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisConsider this very recent sale......a MAGIE that had two diagonal corner "big bites" out of it....that went for 8K. Obviously, it was graded Authentic. In this crazy environment the Ty Cobb back wins every time. HAL....recall, Lifson's recent UZIT find and there will be more. However, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there only 12 (or so) Red Cobb/Ty Cobb cards that have been found ? TED Z

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02-22-2007, 12:42 PM

Posted By: MWKeep the Uzit Cobb. As far as I know, there are only 4 known and yours is the highest graded. There are about a dozen of the Ty Cobb brand tobacco Cobbs. I think the Cobb/Cobb is an easier card to acquire in that it appears more often in major auctions and comes up for private sale more frequently (we were just offered one two weeks ago). I also think it is somewhat over-rated as there are legitimate reasons to believe it was never intended to be part of the T206 Series. This might limit its appeal among future generations of T206 set (& variation) collectors.

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02-22-2007, 12:49 PM

Posted By: leonI definitely agree that the Cobb/Cobb shouldn't be classified as a T206. It should be a T213-4, or some derivitive of a Coupon. You make a good point on the scarcity of the combination of the Cobb/Uzit but the Uzit back, in and of itself, is only scarce and not rare. The Cobb/Cobb is rare, imho. Thanks for chiming in. I have always thought you and your brother are some of the most knowledgable folks in the hobby. (now you can buy me a soda at the National <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>)....regards

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02-22-2007, 01:02 PM

Posted By: MWLeon, Some good points. I think it all comes down to the collecting strategy of each hobbyist. For those who are searching for rare backs, the Ty Cobb brand is obviously tougher. But for Ty Cobb collectors, the Uzit is much more difficult to obtain. For me, condition would also be a factor. With only a few exceptions, I tend to assign greater weight to "condition scarcity" than "general scarcity" but that's only because I've been drinking too much of the kool aid.

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02-22-2007, 01:06 PM

Posted By: barrysloateHal- I think this thread has served to make your decision even more difficult. I say keep them both, and if you have to sell something, find something else. These can't be the two worst cards in your collection. Sell some vending cases or rack packs...

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02-22-2007, 01:13 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisI am trying to "pare down" to owning only ONE card of every "big time" HOF. Thus, I will be selling one of these at some point. I am no longer worried about owning cards of some of the lower end HOF.

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02-22-2007, 01:13 PM

Posted By: Tom Boblittsell your stash of 1989 Fleer Billy Ripken FF cards and varieties.....

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02-22-2007, 01:14 PM

Posted By: JimBI think it is a no-brainer. Keep the Cobb/Cobb back. It is one of the legendary cards in the hobby. Leon, A little shallack does not make it a Coupon (T213). If anything, it perhaps should be a T206-1. A promotional card inserted with tobacco by ATC between 1909-1911 is T206 according to the American Card Catalogue. JimB

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02-22-2007, 01:18 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCHal- email sent.

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02-22-2007, 01:31 PM

Posted By: leonMichael = vulture <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> (we all are it's ok) JimB- C'mon now ..Cobb/Cobb....I would go for it being a whole seperate set more than it being a T206. But this is all relative. They are still great cards and someday I hope to have one....

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02-22-2007, 01:41 PM

Posted By: Jason Lthe one with Ty Cobb on it...<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-22-2007, 01:46 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisI have already told several nice people that any sale will be a public auction, but thanks for asking.

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02-22-2007, 01:46 PM

Posted By: MVSNYChey Leon, at least i didn't break the board rules...i emailed him <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-22-2007, 02:52 PM

Posted By: CatSorry Hal!!! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> I sent my e-mail before I read your statement above.

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02-22-2007, 02:59 PM

Posted By: AnonymousEven if the Uzit was graded a psa 8 id still be inclined to take the cobb with cobb back. Even if the Uzit would see for more money, the mystique that surrounds the cobb w/cobb back and it being the only card with that back ever produced, well thats something quite special and unique to own. Uzit backs are much much more common, even if A high grade cobb uzit would be a 1 of 1 due to its high grade, there are so many more Uzit then Cobb backs, and plus the red portrait is a true classic

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02-22-2007, 03:15 PM

Posted By: MWEcardCollector, A Uzit Cobb in a PSA 8 would be unprecedented and would properly be classified as one of the hobby's foremost scarcities. The proceeds from the sale of such a card could be used to purchase half a dozen Ty Cobb brand Cobbs.

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02-22-2007, 03:30 PM

Posted By: peter ullmanmw...are you high? pete in mn

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02-22-2007, 03:38 PM

Posted By: RichardPSA 8 Uzit Cobb = Cobb back x 6 ? Wow. I don't think many would agree with this statement.

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02-22-2007, 03:41 PM

Posted By: MWPete, Most of the Ty Cobb brand Cobbs are in lesser grade and have recently been selling in the $25K to $30K range. A PSA 8 Uzit Cobb would start in the $100k range and might even sell for close to $200K...in my estimation at least. At any rate, who is to say since we're only dealing in hypotheticals.

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02-22-2007, 03:44 PM

Posted By: MWRichard, You are correct but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm comparing the potential value of a PSA 8 Uzit Cobb to the most common condition Ty Cobb brand Cobb.

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02-22-2007, 03:54 PM

Posted By: leonI think MW is pretty close. The average Cobb/Cobb is a little lower conditioned and they generally go for 25k-35k.....so 6x that would be pretty close on that Uzit....maybe. It certainly wouldn't be outrageous considering a nice HOF'er in an 8 holder gos for 7k-10k or more. I could see 150k to 200k for the hypothetical Cobb/Uzit in an 8 holder. I have seen much crazier stuff lately, relatively speaking. Just my opinion...but who knows....

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02-22-2007, 03:55 PM

Posted By: RichardMW - you could very well be right.

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02-22-2007, 04:09 PM

Posted By: SeanHal, Only if I had your problem <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> I would still keep the Cobb/Cobb back even if he has goofy blue eyes. Some day! Sean BH

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02-22-2007, 04:53 PM

Posted By: peter ullmani concede...these times are crazy! Hal...if you only keep one card of each prominent hof'er...you've got a lot of cards to sell. pete in mn

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02-22-2007, 05:17 PM

Posted By: JimBMW, Having bought one Cobb back and sold a different one in the past two weeks, I can tell you for certain that they go for a lot more than that. Several years ago an SGC 30 went for 59k. With the ever-rising prices of true hobby classic rarities like that, who knows what it would bring at auction today. JimB

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02-22-2007, 05:21 PM

Posted By: anthonytotally unfair question...but if this is an offer to sell to me, i would rather have the ty cobb back... (like i can afford either one)

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02-22-2007, 05:25 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanHal, I don't think it's even a close call on this one. You have to keep the Cobb/Cobb. That's a card you may spend the rest of your life trying to find again while the Cobb Uzit can be found -- but perhaps not at that grade again.

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02-22-2007, 05:26 PM

Posted By: dan mckeeI would keep the Ty Cobb Back, much more rare!

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02-22-2007, 05:26 PM

Posted By: dan mckeeIf yo own both, I would sell the Ty Cobb back to Dan Mckee for less than you paid for it.

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02-22-2007, 05:51 PM

Posted By: barrysloateBoth will be murder to replace...DONT SELL EITHER! That's an order, from a friend!

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02-22-2007, 06:57 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisThanks again for your opinions!

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02-22-2007, 07:40 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCMW--- c'mon now, let's not get crazy...let's break it down very simply here... cobb/cobb 2= maybe $35K cobb/uzit 6= maybe $35K cobb/uzit 8= maybe $60-70K...the back multiplier, especially with a cobb, is less than a common.

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02-22-2007, 08:02 PM

Posted By: MWMVSNYC, Assuming your figures are correct for a PSA 6 Uzit Cobb, I can't think of any T206s (and not very many other vintage cards) for which a PSA 8 is only worth double the price of a PSA 6. The multiplier (from a PSA 6 to a PSA 8) is much larger than that for both commons and Hall of Famers.

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02-23-2007, 12:40 AM

Posted By: DylanFirst off MW I was saying IF money be damned... id still go with the Cobb back just to make a point on how much i enjoy the card, but i still dont think a psa 8 would sell for your estimation. Your talking T206 Wagner money there, and thats considerable.

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02-23-2007, 07:03 AM

Posted By: MVSNYCi am not sure of the values, (no one really is, until they hit the auction block) i was taking a shot in the dark...anyone else wanna take a stab at it? maybe the UZIT 6 would be a bit less then my estimate (35K) and the UZIT 8 would be a bit more than my estimate (60-70K)? but i certainly do not think we are talking six figures for the 8, but that's just my opinion.

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02-23-2007, 07:17 AM

Posted By: MVSNYChal- was this the cobb/uzit that BMW cards once owned? edited to say: i did some research and answered my own question...

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02-23-2007, 10:11 AM

Posted By: MW<< maybe the UZIT 6 would be a bit less then my estimate (35K) and the UZIT 8 would be a bit more than my estimate (60-70K)? >> Based on T206 sales over the past two years, the multiplier for a two grade increase (PSA 6 to PSA 8) is generally 8 to 10 times. This is true for both "commons" and Hall of Famers. The notable exception would be low-population commons or variations which have a multiplier of 10 to 20 times. These figures can be verified by making a cursory examination of the T206 listings on vintagecardsprices.com.

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02-23-2007, 10:23 AM

Posted By: MVSNYCMW- i respectfully disagree...and i don't need to check out any websites, i have a very good "gut" feeling for prices with my experience. your "8-10" times factor might be true for commons, but does not hold water with someone like Ty Cobb: (excluding the green cobb) recent cobb PSA 6 sales on eBay range in the $3K-4K neighborhood...PSA 8's range from $15K-20K...(Goodwin just sold a cobb red PSA 8 for $13,400) so more like a 4-5 times factor. BUT, i just don't see a Cobb UZIT 8 going for six figures...people who collect rare backs, IMO, usually don't want cobb on the front...and vice versa.

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02-23-2007, 10:25 AM

Posted By: RichardTy Cobb Bat Off PSA 6 - $4170 PSA 8 - $17985 multiplier: 4.3x Ty Cobb Bat On PSA 6 - $4060 PSA 8 - $23633 multiplier: 5.8x Ty Cobb Red Port PSA 6 - $3550 PSA 8 - $13397 multiplier: 3.8x Ty Cobb Green Port no psa 8 data available. Edited to say: Looks like a 4-5x multiplier is about right. In addition, I would think that the multiplier with a rare back is less as the total dollar amount increases.

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02-23-2007, 10:36 AM

Posted By: MW<< BUT, i just don't see a Cobb UZIT 8 going for six figures... >> I do because I'd pay at least that amount for one. And I know other collectors/dealers who would too.

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02-23-2007, 10:40 AM

Posted By: MW<< In addition, I would think that the multiplier with a rare back is less as the total dollar amount increases. >> For high grades (PSA 8 & 9) on one-of-a-kind scarcities in the T206 series, I would argue that it's greater. Edited to add: it looks like you did some "mixing and matching" for your price analysis where some of your PSA 6 prices came from tougher backs.

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02-23-2007, 10:49 AM

Posted By: Richard"it looks like you did some "mixing and matching" for your price analysis where some of your PSA 6 prices came from tougher backs." Actually, no. Everything is from the "common back" listings.

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02-23-2007, 10:53 AM

Posted By: peter ullmani think there'd be only one way to solve this debate...they must both be sold. Sorry Hal...you can't keep either...auction them both for the sake of our curiosity. pete in mn

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02-23-2007, 10:56 AM

Posted By: MWRichard, You are correct, they are but a "Sovereign" Ty Cobb would generally sell for more than a Piedmont or Sweet Caporal, all other factors being equal.

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02-23-2007, 10:57 AM

Posted By: MVSNYC<"I do because I'd pay at least that amount for one. And I know other collectors/dealers who would too."> well, i guess i stand corrected then... but for my money, if i was spending 100,000+ on one card i could think of many others i would want instead (and this is coming from a hard-core T206 back collector).

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02-23-2007, 11:09 AM

Posted By: MWMVSNYC, I'd have to think long and hard about that. At a wholesale level of only $100,000, I'd be a very eager buyer on a PSA 8 Uzit Cobb. And even if I were to compare it to some of the tougher T206 variations in the set (Plank and Wagner excluded), I think I would still choose the Uzit Cobb. I think a comparison would also depend on the relative price levels -- i.e., if I were buying the Uzit Cobb at $100,000 and paying retail for the other cards (T206 variations or other), it would be an easy decision. However, if I were paying wholesale prices for the other cards, it would be a more difficult decision.

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02-23-2007, 11:13 AM

Posted By: MVSNYCMW- i hear what you are saying, for that money i would just prefer another card, but hey, to each his own...

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02-23-2007, 11:38 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisYou guys be SURE to let me know if anyone wants to pay $100,000+ for a PSA 6 version of the card!!!!! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Personally, I value my PSA 6 at $50k... but I realize that I am biased.

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02-23-2007, 11:46 PM

Posted By: RC McKenzieI'm not convinced that a baseball card is similar to an ounce of gold. i.e. a baseball card is not a serious commodity. I could see an ounce of gold losing 50% of its value in my lifetime. I could see baseball cards losing 99% of their value in my lifetime. Baseball cards are very risky investments. For anyone to spend 100k dollars on a baseball card they'd have to believe that the card could be worth $100 overnight.

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02-24-2007, 02:30 AM

Posted By: DylanI also agree with the sentiment that many collectors would just prefer their Uzit or Drum backs with normal players and not Cobb or the like. When were talking 100,000 dollars though i would only want to purchase a card with a proven track record at auction or something very unique, not just unique due to its high grade, something that just doesnt exist but in very low numbers PF FR or whatever, period.

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02-24-2007, 05:36 AM

Posted By: MVSNYCDylan- well said. RC- baseball cards ARE serious commodities to those who collect cards.

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02-24-2007, 05:54 AM

Posted By: warshawlawIt is if you want it to be. A commodity is only something that a sufficient # of people have decided they would like to own for it to be traded. There is no inherent value in gold, for example,and how much bacon can you really eat before it spoils? Cards have value because enough people have decided that they have value to make a market of them. And how long does the market have to run before it is "serious"? 25 years? 30 years? Because if you had purchased all your HOFer OJ's and E's and so on 35 years ago, you would be sitting on a fortune today.

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02-24-2007, 09:08 AM

Posted By: EdHere is a guy who made a ton of money off of a tobacco lawsuit as a lawyer and then has the nerve to continue to make money and decisions based on tobacco, except this time it is tobacco cards. Hal, is that your little joke on society? Must be. Sell them both and give some of the money to the tobacco users and their families that your lawfirm jilted money out of.

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02-24-2007, 09:51 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisFunny Ed! Our firm has never represent one single smoker. Never. Our firm represented the STATE OF FLORIDA and our former Governor in his lawsuit against the tobacco companies to recoup the billions of tax dollars that had been spent by the State on indigent healthcare related to tobacco smoking. Unfortunately, when a Florida resident on Medicaid needed a lung transplant and a lifetime of care for emphysema... the State had to use tax dollars to pay for that medical care. Now, those payments have been reimbursed to the State by Big Tobacco. Every dollar that we recovered for the State of Florida (payment comes every year for eternity) goes into the State's general revenue fund and is used to benefit EVERYONE in Florida -- not just smokers. Every citizen of Florida benefitted from our lawsuit by having their taxes remain much lower than they would have been. Not one single smoker was awarded a single dollar from our lawsuit. Frankly, like you, I am not in favor of the individual smoker lawsuits. I understand the logic behind showing that the companies tricked the people into getting hooked... but I think people still need to be able to just "quit" on their own. Hope this clears things up for you.

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02-24-2007, 10:07 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisEd: Are you related to Rose Ann Kavetski, the legal counsel for Riddle Hospital? If so, then I would think that she would understand completely the costs associated with treating tobacco-related illnesses. Riddle has a great tobacco cessation program in place. I'm sorry if she thinks that smokers deserve compensation for everything that they have suffered... but that is a completely different ball of wax than what our firm was involved with. Here is where our settlement money is being used: <a href="http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070212/OPINION05/702120302/1006/OPINION" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070212/OPINION05/702120302/1006/OPINION</a>

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02-24-2007, 10:08 AM

Posted By: EdIn your own words "Not one single smoker was awarded a single dollar from our lawsuit", however you can sure bet that your company made a lot of money off of that lawsuit and the money that you are speaking about for the tax payers in the form of reduced taxes is something that tax payers never really see, should have been the same way that you got yours via the same reduction in taxes not in the form of massive fat paychecks for the lawyer-dogs. So, like I said sell them both and send the money to a family that was the focus of that case!

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02-24-2007, 10:09 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisAnd lastly, Ed... need I remind you that this is a public forum and that your accusations of our law firm have "jilted money from someone" is the textbook definition of LIBEL.

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02-24-2007, 10:10 AM

Posted By: EdHere it is, 1 PM on a Friday and you are here playing with your baseball cards.

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02-24-2007, 10:14 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisEd, there WAS NO FAMILY that was the focus of our case. Every single smoker in Florida is free to retain counsel and sue Big Tobacco if they choose to do so. Our case was purely about statistical numbers and market-share liability, etc. No individual smokers were involved. Yes, the lawyers made money... but that is what happens when a defendant settles a case and agrees to this arrangement. If the tobacco companies had a beef with it, they were welcome to take the case to trial and win it... in which case our fee would have been a whopping $0. Apparently you have some biased against attorneys.

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02-24-2007, 10:16 AM

Posted By: robHal, you are being kind by responding as much as you are to this junk, you really dont need to defend yourself in my estimation, this Ed character is taking pot shots that are way inappropriate, especially on this forum. How is that for a textbook run-on sentence <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-24-2007, 10:16 AM

Posted By: Jason LI have to go pop some popcorn, I'll be right back!!!

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02-24-2007, 10:19 AM

Posted By: EdSpoken like a true lawyer. Someone speaks up about the fact that it is ironic that you collect tobacco cards as some kind of smack in the face of the fact that despite what you think that you did during that case, you have not in any possible way helped anyone who was suffering, smoking, hooked, whatever at the supposed lies of the tobacco industry. You stated yourself that not one single smoker was awarded a single dollar from our lawsuit and you did not deny that your firm was paid, so what is libel there Hal? What? Nothing. Hillarious, thanks for the laugh. No, no bias, I love lawyers. Wait, actually married one.

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02-24-2007, 10:30 AM

Posted By: Hal Lewis"...despite what you think that you did during that case, you have not in any possible way helped anyone who was suffering, smoking, hooked, whatever at the supposed lies of the tobacco industry." Our case was the very first time in the long legal history of Big Tobacco where the damning evidence of addiction was admitted by them, and it was the very first time that the tobacco companies ever agreed to pay a single cent for tobacco-related illnesses. If you can't see the benefit of this legal precedent, then I can't help you. Our case completely turned the public perception of Big Tobacco on its ear. If you can't see the benefit of this to individual smokers who are suing Big Tobacco in the future, then I can't help you.

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02-24-2007, 10:35 AM

Posted By: ChadI just opened this thread and, as usual, I scanned to the bottom to see what was going on. Now I am completely confused, as usual. Anyway, I prefer rare in general to rare of condition, so I think I'd keep the Cobb back. --Chad

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02-24-2007, 10:51 AM

Posted By: barrysloateEd- Posting like this anonymously, entirely off subject, and rather aggressively to boot, is probably a bit askew of board rules. Anyone care to talk about Cobbs with Uzit and Cobb backs?

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02-24-2007, 10:59 AM

Posted By: Jason Lnow what we really care about, apparently, is whether or not you think 1) smokers should be entitled to any cash reimbursement from Big Tobaccy for demonstrating their own inability to think critically, and 2) what you think of lawyers involved in the Big Tobaccy lawsuits, and 3) if Florida is better to visit during the heat of summer or during hurricane season Regardless, Hal still needs to decide what to do with his Cobb cards. If it were me, I would - aw shoot, I can't even make believe it was me! Good luck, Hal. maybe sell them both, and start hoarding a less expensive card until it becomes extremely rare (or scarce, or whichever), then sell those off...

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02-24-2007, 11:10 AM

Posted By: leonIf Ed didn't have his email with his full name in it, it would have been against the forum rules. As it is it's not. BTW, as much as we sometimes bad mouth lawyers the great majority are good folks. If I was smart enough (and stayed out of trouble) maybe I would have been a lawyer too....best regards

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02-24-2007, 11:12 AM

Posted By: barrysloateHey, I could have been a doctor, if they just weren't so touchy about having to go to medical school first!

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02-24-2007, 11:16 AM

Posted By: Chad1) I really don't know. Cigarettes smell disgusting, though and, as a drinker, it was a happy day for me when New York City banned them from bars. 2) Lawyers don't bother me at all until they sue me or let me get put in jail. Then I get all Cape Fear on 'em. 3) I like Florida in the heat becuase it makes floating down the Ichetucknee that much more fun. I like to say hello to all the turtles! Hey turtles, I call out, hey turtles! Seriously, tho, I'm not a Cobb fan--Mathewson is more my speed--but that Cobb with a Cobb back is a great card. --Chad

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02-24-2007, 11:20 AM

Posted By: Steve M.In Florida is a tenancy where the parties are shown on the deed as Joe and Mary, without any mention of a right of survivorship, a tenancy in common or could it be a joint tenancy irrespective of the lack of such language. Thanks

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02-24-2007, 11:32 AM

Posted By: Joe D.I might just spend the first few years of my retirement in Law School. and Ed... I sense personal frustration in your post and feel for you - but I strongly believe your anger is misguided. Completely misguided actually.

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02-24-2007, 11:38 AM

Posted By: SeanI would probably smoke the Cobb with the Uzit back and drink a Summit Pale Ale. That's what I'm doing!

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02-24-2007, 11:43 AM

Posted By: EdNot at all, nor misguided. Facts are facts, I was simply stating to give a little back as well as I saw a lot of irony in the entire situation. Obviously because I am a new poster, long time watcher, it affects the way that you are seeing this. Was my topic off topic? Yes, that was the point. Off topic just the same as which $50,000+ card should I get rid of? Who cares. You don't see Keith Olberman on here griping about what cards he should get rid of, just simply put it up for auction and keep it to yourself. I saw this entire thing as a way to promote his own item (since one will certainly end up at auction) and this original topic is only adding to the future auction, hence maximizing profit with maximum pre-auction exposure.

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02-24-2007, 11:54 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisNot true at all, Ed. I recently sent over 100 items out to various auction houses... but I have not publicized one of them. In this one instance, however... I was truly torn between which card to keep and which to auction off. As always, the collective wisdom of this site was invaluable. Present company excluded, of course.

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02-24-2007, 11:56 AM

Posted By: EdI stand corrected. Sorry.

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02-24-2007, 11:58 AM

Posted By: warshawlawBut Ed's got me beat by a mile. Thanks for making me feel better about myself, guy! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> And in case you don't know, Hal is one of the really good guys in collecting, with a genuine passion for the hobby and a lack of attitude that you might otherwise expect him to have given the caliber of his collection. Edited to add the smileys; I'm kidding so don't go all postal on me.

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02-24-2007, 12:07 PM

Posted By: peter chaoHal, Ed Now that we're all pals again, keep the Cobb with the Cobb back, that is a true scarcity. Remember, there's quite a number of old-line collectors that haven't gotten their Cobb with the Uzit back graded, yet. Who knows somebody might be holding a PSA 7 Cobb with a Uzit back but simply hasn't bothered to get it graded yet. Peter

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02-24-2007, 01:48 PM

Posted By: Jason Lthat it's not me. (All of my Cobb/Uzit's are graded, because you know what they say, ..."Uzit, or lose it.") Thanks everyone, you've been great...-But now it's Friday and I'm outta here! try the veal and please be good to your waitress

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02-24-2007, 02:03 PM

Posted By: T206Collector....then see which one you can get more for from dealers/collectors. If you're more interested in keeping one for reasons unrelated to wealth, then keep the Cobb/Cobb. If you want an Uzit back, you can pick one up with any number of common backs If you want a Cobb back, well, then you've got the only one.

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02-24-2007, 03:44 PM

Posted By: DylanIs this Ed guy actually suggesting that collecting 100 year old tobacco cards while representing a case against big tobacco is some sort of agregious offense? PLEASE, collecting these cards has nothing to do with tobacco and everything to do with baseball. It just so happens that they were distributed in tobacco packs. What a bunch of crap, i wouldnt have even been so nice as to respond if that crap was aimed at me.

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02-24-2007, 04:03 PM

Posted By: Cobby33I think they should be donated to The Human Fund.

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02-24-2007, 04:10 PM

Posted By: Dan BrettaI didn't think you were allowed to post off topic if you were not a regular contributor???? Better get to posting something useful and on topic Ed. You gotta lot of catching up to do.

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02-24-2007, 04:11 PM

Posted By: SeanWhat's the Human Fund? Sounds like it just money for people? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-24-2007, 04:12 PM

Posted By: Cobby33I think our resident Seinfeld expert could give a cogent explanation of "The Human Fund..."

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02-24-2007, 04:33 PM

Posted By: barrysloateI think I am becoming the board "Seinfeld Savant". Ask him a question and he will instantaneously come up with the answer. George Costanza, being too cheap to buy Christmas gifts for his office mates, made up a fake charity- The Human Fund- and told his coworkers he was making a donation on their behalf.

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02-27-2007, 02:52 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Hal, I'll take your UZIT Cobb for 75k if you will except a check from the Human Fund... Be well Brian Hi Barry, Break out the Pole, Festivus is alive and well on the board.... PS Hal, keep them both, because I doubt there are any more Uzit 6's out there, and I doubt we will see many unknown Cobb backs hit the market. My last count on each card: Cobb/Uzit 7 known Cobb/Cobb 14 known

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02-27-2007, 03:01 PM

Posted By: MVSNYCBrian- slightly O/T, but to your knowledge, what are the highest graded Uzits & Drums? i think in the past you had said there is a PSA 7 Griffith, Batting Drum...and do we know if Hal's Uzit is the highest graded Uzit, or have you heard of or seen higher graded examples? while we are at it, let's apply the same question to all of the brand backs? (Hindu, Polar Bear, etc)... maybe this should be a seperate thread?