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02-12-2007, 04:59 PM

Posted By: Dave<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130074859317&rd=1&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130074859317&rd=1&rd=1</a> these cards are reprints...are they really worth that kind of money ?

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02-12-2007, 05:10 PM

Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)I cringe when I see people putting this crap up for sale. There are a lot of people that just don't know better or don't quite understand that the words "Item sold as is, no returns" usually is synonymous with REPRINT. In this case the seller is very misleading by using the following terms to describe the piece (and nowhere using the word reprint): <ul> <li>There are 18 cards in the display. Most of which look to be in very good condition. <li>Some have fold marks. <li>I'm not sure of the age, but some of the paper backing was torn off revealing a news paper dated Feb. 7 1918. </ul> The red flags are: <ul> <li>This is an odd item I picked up at a local auction. <li>Item sold as is, no returns </ul> At least the seller didn't mention it was from an old suit case in his grand fathers attic...

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02-12-2007, 07:00 PM

Posted By: Dave the seller in this case sent me close up, but blurry pictures of the cards. Even though they were blurry I could clearly see that the type was bold and black denoting one of the re-print sets. I told the seller and sent him a pic of a the real type on a T206. He decided not to change his listing...what a sheister

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02-13-2007, 03:44 AM

Posted By: Martin NealScan of scam. <img src="http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e268/123MARTINS/adam-4.jpg">

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02-13-2007, 04:04 AM

Posted By: T EIt really is disgusting, anyone who examines this auction should report it.

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02-13-2007, 04:45 AM

Posted By: Rob DewolfI tried to use the "Report this item" link at the bottom of the auction only to find that the form is set up to allow buyers to report a bad auction/item only after they've paid for it. Nice.

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02-13-2007, 05:38 AM

Posted By: Dave Ebay has made it a little more difficult to immediately report items. You do have to wait until the auction ends I'm pretty sure. Did anyone see the phoney Cap Anson, and Tim O'Keefe Old Judges that were on a couple of days ago? I tried to get the sellers contact info to see whether it was a particular flea marketer that was just using a different name. Ebay is ridiculous in the sense they made me have to bid on the fake cards just to be able to get the persons contact information. I discovered that the seller was not the same person who had been trying to fool people in December into buying Ruth and Gehrig goudeys that were fake. Pretty sure the text of the listing for the fake Old Judge cards was takenfrom one of the many "get rich quick on Ebay" programs. I saved the text from one of th fake Ruth auctions and both match up almost identically save a few word and phrase changes. the best line is when they tell you they bought these Old judge cards at a flea market or garage sale along with a large collection of other tobacco cards. they then pull you in by saying that they took them to a card show to be "evaluated", and the people at the show were "Excited" about the cards telling the seller that they are superb vintage replicas. the seller then writes that while they people at the show thought the anson and Keefe cards were replicas, that all the other cards were thought to be real and that the dealers made offers to buy the whole lot.The listing is vague enough to cover the seller legally most of the time, but phrased in a way to lead people to believe that these cards might just be the real thing....they even had thick cardboard pasted to them !! Anyway, you get the idea. If anyone wants the text of these auctions listed so that they can compare let me know and I'll post it. Incidentally, the seller told me they had many of these Old Judge cards including common players....so we have that to now worry about as well I guess.

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02-13-2007, 10:46 AM

Posted By: dan mckeebidder 6 and 7 have bid with this seller 42% and 60% respectively. I would bet it is being shilled. And yes, blatant fakes.

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02-13-2007, 11:59 AM

Posted By: TONYI see people asking outrageous prices for reprints & it gets worse every yr......I just saw a listing on ebay for a 1952 topps mantle reprint in a PSA 8 holder.....the buy it now price was $295.........I also saw Larry Fritsch selling the same card raw for $60.........& the best was a listing for a reprint card that was described as "RARE".......Wow.....a rare reprint......how kool is that......when will the insanity end???

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02-13-2007, 12:46 PM

Posted By: peter chaoGuys, It's starting to get scary. When you start seeing graded reprint cards going for a higher price than a beater of the original then you know it's getting out of hand. Peter

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02-13-2007, 12:52 PM

Posted By: leonI've been tracking bidder 7....but he seems to be all over the place <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-13-2007, 01:23 PM

Posted By: Kenneth A. CohenCheck out these two beauties! <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1933-Goudey-89-TRIS-SPEAKER-Kansas-City-Blues_W0QQitemZ200074960219QQihZ010QQcategoryZ8684 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1933-Goudey-89-TRIS-SPEAKER-Kansas-City-Blues_W0QQitemZ200074960219QQihZ010QQcategoryZ8684 7QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a> <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=290082240840&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AAAQ%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=290082240840&rd=1</a> 1933 Goudey reprints must be among the easiest to discern with the glare on the front and the scratch mark on the back where the word "reprint" should be.

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02-13-2007, 01:46 PM

Posted By: Russ Brighti like the Gold paint pen that was used to write bubble letters in 1918!

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02-13-2007, 01:47 PM

Posted By: Dave I think Bidder 6 and 7 for the Tobacco card display might be shills. the person that won the item also had been bidding sefveral times on a Shag Shaugnessey reprint that was for sale in the collectibles area of Ebay. Was it W.C. Fields that said " there's a sucker born every minute". Ebay proves him right just about every minute I bet

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02-13-2007, 02:04 PM

Posted By: leonI was tracking bidder# 7 in all auctions...not just this one....that guy is really all over the place <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> ...I am so glad ebay is protecting me from all of those scammers...