rare relic ty cobb

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Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1910-TY-COBB-SPALDING-12-ULTRA-RARE-RELIC_W0QQitemZ120085379630QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3171 8QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1910-TY-COBB-SPALDING-12-ULTRA-RARE-RELIC_W0QQitemZ120085379630QQihZ002QQcategoryZ3171 8QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a> this relic is rare! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>I thought you would love the starting price and ESPECIALLY the Buy It Now price!!! Hilarious.<br /><br />I know this subject has been beat to death but I thought for the newbies this would be another thing to watch out for.<br /><br />This "card" and the three others the same seller has listed on eBay have been cut out of magazines and, to me, are worthless. The VSA and SMA grading companies he has listed are bogus. Some guy has bought magazines and cut the pages out. He then has sealed them in a plastic holder, assigned a grade and serial number and put them on a website. It is all an in-house operation.<br /><br />He buys the magazines. He cuts out the pictures. He grades and encapsulates the paper. He assigns the serial number and puts it on the website and then he sells the item.<br /><br />This seller got suckered and is trying to get his money back plus some from a bigger sucker.

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p>Yea, I saw the Wagner earlier listed in the T206 section. Only $10K opening bid and $1M BIN. I think someone with $1M to spend on this hobby would have some knowledge, ( I would hope). He would have had better luck sticking to the $49 BIN's for newbies, not that I would want to see them scammed either. <br><br>In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

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Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>I think this guy's eBay account got hijacked.

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>Rules of thumb include: a picture isn't worth 100x more than the book it was cut out of; be wary of sellers who use text fonts larger than the cards offered; be wary of sellers who average more than three explanation points per sentence; be wary of sellers use more than five colors per paragraph and/or text colors that cause seizures in Japanese children; be wary of the baseball card seller who uses the words "relic" and "rare find" in the same sentence; be wary of the seller who uses the phrase "If they can send a man to the moon, anything's possible, right?" more than twice in a single description; be wary of a pictured beautiful babe seller who signs her email Carl.

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Posted By: <b>Jim Dale</b><p>It was the fine print that set me off...j/k...whatever font size they chose - it was wrong <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Joe, that's not a one million dollar BIN, it's 10 Million!!<br /><br />Geez, if it was only a million BIN I would have grabbed it in a heartbeat. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />And I too like the size of the font, as I didn't even need my glasses to read it!<br /><br />And how does he know this is the rarest of all Spalding Ty Cobb cards? Is there some kind of pop report for this crap?

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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>I think from now on when I see crap like this for sale, I am going to E mail the seller and ask if I can pay with Monopoly money.<br /><br />I will give them the reason that since their fake stuff isn't worth anything then they should be paid with fake money that isn't worth anything.<br /><br /><br />David

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Posted By: <b>Dave Williams</b><p>I've always wanted to have a fake Ebay ID, and buy this "card", leaving the scammer with huge Ebay fees.<br /><br />I've just never had the guts to do it.

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p>Barry, You are correct. It was $10M. My problem was I stopped counting digits after what I thought it was worth. The two on the right side of the decimal. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br><br>In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p>David, That reminds me of the joke "Larry the Cable Guy" tell about paying a stripper with monopoly money. She complained, " Hey these are fake!!And he points at her chest and replies well so are those too. <br /><br />edited to add. And he points at her chest. It's funnier that way.<br /><br />In Rememberance of James W. Brennan Sr. 1924-1982. Dad, thanks for everything you did for me.

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I was thinking what if somebody did hit the BIN at $10 million...what would his liability be? Nobody could ever expect him to pay the tab.

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Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>I still think the seller's account was hijacked-it seems like his primary business is selling wood.

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Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>No, I don't think his account was hijacked because he just listed some shiny crap from the 1990's. I think he is either ignorant or a scam artist or both.<br /><br />Also, if you look at his feedback, he has one for a shiny card from the early 2000's and another for a bunch of reprint cards. He listed them as reprints.<br /><br /><br />David

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>I don't believe the 'winner' would be legally required to pay the $10 million. Judges generally work under the assumption that a "this for that" exchange contract should involve a reasonably or at least remotely fair exchange-- or at least an exchange! Does trading $10 million for $0 even qualify as an exchange? Many judges would say it is fine if someone wishes to pay $10 million for a worthless scrap of paper not worth 10 cents or if someone wants to give the money as a gift, but would not rule this auction contract as an enforceable "this for that" contract as they don't see an exchange taking place (a worthless scrap of paper essentially counting as nothing, at least in comparison to $10 million). <br /><br />Similarly, if you have an exchange of goods or services contract with a total stranger that trades your house and car for a random grain of sand with no sentimental or other value, many judges will rule the contract not binding. The judges will say if you want to make the trade that is fine by them, but don't expect the contract to be held up in court. The trade is practically a gift, and the contract wasn't about a gift but an exchange.

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Posted By: <b>Dave Hornish</b><p>Ah, OK I see-he does have a couple other items like the Cobb. He seems to have a thriving wood business though! Curioser and curioser.