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02-06-2007, 06:22 PM

Posted By: robert aTry to stick to one or two cards from each person. I'll start with Doyle throwing and Knabe. <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/caramelcard/fortrade/icons/e101doyle.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/caramelcard/fortrade/icons/e101knabe.jpg"> Here's the checklist: (1) Jack Barry s.s. Phila. Am............................(x) (2) Harry Bemis c. Cleveland Amer. (3) Chief Bender (white hat) p. Phila. Am...............(x) (4) Chief Bender (striped hat) p. Phila. Am............(x) (5) Bill Bergen c. Brooklyn Nat'l.......................(x) (6) Bob Bescher c.f. Cincinnati Nat'l.....................(x) (7) Al Bridwell s.s. N. Y. Nat'l........................(x) (8) Doc Casey 3b Brooklyn Nat'l..........................(x) (9) Frank Chance 1b Chicago Nat'l.........................(x) (10) Hal Chase 1b New York Am. (11) Ty Cobb c.f. Detroit Am.........................(x) (12) Eddie Collins 2b Phila. Am...........................(x) (13) Sam Crawford c.f. Detroit Am......................(x) (14) Harry Davis 1b Phila. Amer. (15) Art Devlin 3b New York Nat'l (16) Wild Bill Donovan p. Detroit Amer....................(x) (17) Red Dooin c. Phila. Nat...........................(x) (18) Mickey Doolan s.s. Phila Nat'l (19) Patsy Dougherty l.f. Chicago Am. (20) Larry Doyle (with bat) 2b New York Nat'l (21) Larry Doyle (throwing) 2b New York Nat'l........(x) (22) Johnny Evers 2b. Chicago Nat. (23) George Gibson c. Pittsburg Nat'l.....................(x) (24) Topsy Hartsel l.f. Phila. Am. (25) Fred Jacklitsch c. Phila. Nat......................(x) (26) Hugh Jennings Mgr. Detroit Am. (27) Red Kleinow c. New York Am. (28) Otto Knabe 2b Phil. Nat.........................(x) (29) Jack Knight s.s. New York Am........................(x) (30) Nap Lajoie 2b Cleveland Amer..........................(x) (31) Hans Lobert 3b Cincinnati Nat'l (32) Sherry Magee c.f Phila Nat'l (33) Christy Matthewson (Mathewson) p. N. Y. Nat'l...........(x) (34) John McGraw Mgr. N. Y. Nat'l (35) Larry McLean c. Cincinnati Nat'l (36) Dots Miller (batting) 2b Pittsburg Nat'l (37) Dots Miller (fielding) 2b Pittsburg Nat'l..................(x) (38) Danny Murphy r.f. Phila. Amer..............................(x) (39) Bill O'Hara r.f. St. Louis Nat'l (40) Germany Schaefer 2b Wash. Am..................................(x) (41) Admiral Schlei c. New York Nat'l............................(x) (42) Boss Schmidt c. Detroit Amer. (43) Johnny Seigle r.f. Cincinnati Nat'l.........................(x) (44) Dave Shean 2b Boston Nat'l...................................(x) (45) Boss Smith (Schmidt) c. Detroit Amer.........................(x) (46) Joe Tinker s.s. Chicago Nat'l (47) Honus Wagner (batting) s.s. Pittsburg Nat'l..................(x) (48) Houns Wagner (throwing) s.s. Pittsburg Nat'l..................(x) (49) Cy Young p. Cleveland Amer...................................(x) (50) Heinie Zimmerman 2b Chicago Nat'l............................(x)

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02-06-2007, 06:25 PM

Posted By: Jeff Lichtman<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1170728713.JPG">

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02-06-2007, 06:28 PM

Posted By: Joe D.<img src="http://www.internetville.com/images/albums/userpics/10001/normal_mattyhoriz.jpg"> my only one.

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02-06-2007, 06:29 PM

Posted By: Anonymous<img src="http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/zouraspm/lajoieb1.jpg">

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02-06-2007, 06:29 PM

Posted By: leonraw is still good too.... <img src="http://luckeycards.com/pe101bender.jpg">

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02-06-2007, 06:29 PM

Posted By: Steve M.My only one. <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1170728983.JPG">

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02-06-2007, 06:34 PM

Posted By: yorktownsc<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1170729547.JPG">

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02-06-2007, 06:35 PM

Posted By: Dan Kravitz<img src="http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i12/chiprop/File0122.jpg">

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02-06-2007, 06:40 PM

Posted By: steve yawitz<img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/yawie99/yawiesbaseballcards/caramelcards/E101%20Shean.jpg"> <a href="http://imageevent.com/yawie99" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://imageevent.com/yawie99</a>

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02-06-2007, 06:48 PM

Posted By: peter ullmanhere's my one! pete in mn <img src="http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/ullmandds/bridwelle101.jpg">

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02-06-2007, 07:24 PM

Posted By: Andrew<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1170732109.JPG">

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02-06-2007, 11:05 PM

Posted By: DylanJust recently picked up this one <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1170745539.JPG">

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02-07-2007, 04:54 AM

Posted By: leonDoes anyone notice a pattern that almost all of the cards have big bottom borders.....?

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02-07-2007, 05:51 AM

Posted By: Bob Shannon <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1170769801.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1170769830.JPG">

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02-07-2007, 06:17 AM

Posted By: Steve fBob, Nice image on that Bender.

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02-07-2007, 08:47 AM

Posted By: CatThey are raw and they are rough... <img src="http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/328/vbccrawfordkk5.jpg"> <img src="http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/128/vbcschaeferru1.jpg">

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02-07-2007, 11:26 AM

Posted By: Zach RiceMark Cy Young off the list. <img src="http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m84/mzm55cards/e101young.jpg">

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02-07-2007, 12:43 PM

Posted By: S GrossAnother big-bottom-border --- love the red background and green sleeves -- <img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/mybuddyinc/e%20type%20cards/e101barry.jpg">

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02-07-2007, 12:58 PM

Posted By: Bill K<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1170795424.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1170795489.JPG"> I have yet to see another ghost image on an e101 like the Bergen. My personal collection - <a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/</a>

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02-07-2007, 01:15 PM

Posted By: Joe D.Very cool thread... and it is leading to more answers or maybe more questions regarding the e101. I recently emailed Barry and asked him his opinion on what appears to be printer's marks (cross-hairs) on my Matty e101. I was wondering what these marks were (a proof)? Looking at the other cards, you can see the cross-hairs in: The Matty I posted (hard to see from my small scan) Peter Ullman's - Bridwell (look at top, bottom, right.... the marks on the Matty I have are identical) Andrew's - Wagner maybe (hard to see from scan): Bob Shannon's - Bescher Bill K's - Bergen Does anyone have an idea what these marks might be? And why they might be on some of the e101s and not others?

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02-07-2007, 01:21 PM

Posted By: barrysloateJoe- interesting question, since you are a printer too ! Do printers need to put certain marks at different points on a sheet during the printing process? I ask this question because these are clearly regular issue cards and not proofs. But at the same time these marks are not accidental.

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02-07-2007, 01:25 PM

Posted By: Joe JonesI have seen those marks on other caramel issues as well, like E95.

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02-07-2007, 01:43 PM

Posted By: Joe D.barry, any marks should be outside of the live art area. but there are times that you may be limited in the size of the paper - and have to put marks in the live area . the marks help you with lineup (colors) In certain instances say when you print envelopes and the paper is already at the finished size (its an envelope), you would put the marks in the live area and then polish them out (basically erase them from the plate) when you have everything in fit. Or if for some reason you are running say a letterhead / and are starting with Letterhead sized paper. So, I guess an explanation would be that these cards were run on a sheet just the right size... not big enough to support the crop marks and register marks. The register marks were put in the live area - and were polished out after they fit the colors. The marks probably were placed on four cards on the sheed (top middle / bottom middle / left middle / right middle)... but it could have been placed in fewer or more spots on the sheet (who knows?). Normal process today would be to run enough sheets so that you can throw away the make-ready sheets (the sheets that had the mark in the live area before you fit the colors / polished out the marks / and proceeded with the print run). The extra sheets would allow you to have the quantity needed... but I guess the cards with the register marks (back in the early 1900s) were not thrown away or at least a bunch of them slipped through the cracks and made their way into distribution (and are now in SGC and PSA slabs). Not knowing the history of the e-card printing / that would be my guess. Edit to add: I still have my doubts that what I mention above explains the marks... mainly because these marks would appear in all of the colors, but in the cards shown - the marks are consistently just in the black ink. (possible that they didn't polish out the black marks for some reason... could be as simple as the pressman forgot to do the polish out on that particular plate - but did polish out the rest) Also, I am not sure I could envision putting marks that close to the top and bottom borders on the card (top/bottom of the horizontal cards)... it just seems you would risk polishing out part of the image area and may have to make a new plate. A nice open area would make for an easier polish out.

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02-07-2007, 02:29 PM

Posted By: barrysloateGood analysis, Joe. I think every E90-1 Cy Young, Boston I've ever had have had those marks.

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02-07-2007, 05:05 PM

Posted By: DaveHere's my contribution: <img src="http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o318/davegeorge76/1909E101Knight.jpg">

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02-07-2007, 06:13 PM

Posted By: scott brockelmanto make the photo set will be?? I have a pretty good suspicion as to who the player will be. Scott

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02-07-2007, 06:37 PM

Posted By: Matthew<img src="http://www.viaboomimage.com/is.php?i=48432&img=e101zimmerman.J.jpg"> Can anyone explain why the players with 2 cards are Wagner, Bender, Miller, & Doyle? Were those considered the top players at the time?

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02-07-2007, 07:52 PM

Posted By: Steve M.Fred!! <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1170820315.JPG">

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02-08-2007, 07:47 PM

Posted By: Tim NewcombChance and "Smith" <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1170906994.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1170907046.JPG">

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02-08-2007, 07:56 PM

Posted By: Dan KravitzAlmost every card has a fat bottom.

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02-08-2007, 08:13 PM

Posted By: peter ullmanall except for the trimmed ones! undervalued, miscut and oversized! Which card will be last? Is Miller w/glove tough? pete in mn

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02-10-2007, 09:38 AM

Posted By: Tim Newcomb<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1171042638.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1171042669.JPG">

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02-10-2007, 11:00 AM

Posted By: robert aThanks Tim for bumping this! This thread is the first time I've seen certain cards like Casey and Barry. There's a lot of great poses in this set and I've learned a few things about the set from you guys. Thanks for your contributions. You guys that have already posted that happen to have more cards from the set...can you help us finish it off? I think maybe we're almost tapped out? Mike Ernst...where are you? Rob

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02-10-2007, 02:41 PM

Posted By: RichardThe back's a little hurtin', but the front presents reasonably well. Regards, Richard. <img border="0" height="300" src="http://www.richardarmstrong.ca/Gibson/E101_Gibson_F.gif"> <img border="0" height="300" src="http://www.richardarmstrong.ca/Gibson/E101_Gibson_B.gif">

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02-10-2007, 07:19 PM

Posted By: Scott MosleyAnother Fat Bottom E101... (with apologies to Queen since every good N54 thread needs a music reference in it) <img src="http://home.comcast.net/~jillmay5/misc/E101_Dooin_Graded.JPG">

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02-11-2007, 09:39 AM

Posted By: JoannTwo more. Usually paper loss on front is a killer for me, but I still like this Miller card because it is kind of a minor classic in collecting. Joann <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1171129145.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1171129179.JPG">

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02-11-2007, 02:18 PM

Posted By: Tim Newcomb<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1171145861.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1171145849.JPG">