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02-03-2007, 09:43 AM
Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>Not pre-war but a bad scam that some one will lose a lot of money on if it gets completed.<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300076794506&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/300076794506_W0QQfromZR40QQfviZ1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300076794506&ru=http://search.ebay.com:80/300076794506_W0QQfromZR40QQfviZ1</a><br /><br />I don't think this card even exists in this grade.
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02-03-2007, 09:47 AM
Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>an sgc lists 88 as the highest graded.<br /><br />either the pop report is wrong / or it is a scam / or both.
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02-03-2007, 10:12 AM
Posted By: <b>Max Weder</b><p>My cousins live in Sydney. How did I miss finding this card when I visited them? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Max
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02-03-2007, 10:19 AM
Posted By: <b>mark</b><p>this Mantle would be worth around $400,000 - $550,000. Seems odd.<br /><br />Edited to say: And NO paypal offered, which i can see why with the fees. But, to send that much money to Sydney and find out its a fake, WOW.
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02-03-2007, 10:22 AM
Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Seller's last deal 11/05.<br /><br />"Private"<br /><br />Low Feedback.<br /><br />No paypal.<br /><br />All the telltale signs of a scam.<br /><br />Might someone just call SGC and ask them if they have in fact graded this card?
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02-03-2007, 10:25 AM
Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>I have notified SGC
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02-03-2007, 10:57 AM
Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>It's not very often that you see a scam that is this transparent. The bids that are in place are almost certainly shills anyway.<br /><br />Edited to say: Didn't SGC and PSA grade the Mantle reprints at one point?
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02-03-2007, 10:58 AM
Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>Look at the label....even it is bad....is it just me or is the (2) from the 1952 fallen off?
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02-03-2007, 11:13 AM
Posted By: <b>mark</b><p>The label should say " High # ". I think thats what i have seen on other '52 Mantles. Look a this auction, it says High #....<br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1952-Topps-311-Mickey-Mantle-Rookie-Card-SGC-50_W0QQitemZ160077556177QQihZ006QQcategoryZ57994QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1952-Topps-311-Mickey-Mantle-Rookie-Card-SGC-50_W0QQitemZ160077556177QQihZ006QQcategoryZ57994QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a>
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02-03-2007, 12:18 PM
Posted By: <b>howard</b><p>The winner either has to pick it up or it will be sent by courier yet the seller somehow came up with $8.01 for the shipping charge.
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02-03-2007, 12:46 PM
Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>Dang if this card sells for $10,000 and it is legit I'll book an immediate flight to the land down there and pick it up!
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02-03-2007, 12:56 PM
Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>Emailed with Sean at SGC and it is a scam. They are trying to shut it down but you know how eBay operates.
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02-03-2007, 12:59 PM
Posted By: <b>Dave G</b><p>Who? or how? - corrected....<br /><br /><br />I support DAM - Mothers Against Dyslexia
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02-03-2007, 07:21 PM
Posted By: <b>Fred Y</b><p>Does anyone know how or where on the SGC site you can verify a serial #?<br /><br />I've looked all over & either can't find it or am not looking in the right place!
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02-03-2007, 07:29 PM
Posted By: <b>dan mckee</b><p>It is being shilled, and we can't stop it.
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02-03-2007, 11:24 PM
Posted By: <b>anthony</b><p>correct me if i'm wrong but isnt "cash on delivery" where you get the item from the post man (or whomever delivers it) and pay at the same time?? why would someone offer that for such a large transaction?
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02-04-2007, 04:32 AM
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I don't even think it is a real Mantle- it looks like a repro. The whole thing is photoshopped.
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02-04-2007, 04:36 AM
Posted By: <b>Dan Kravitz</b><p>We could bid on it as a group and then call his BS. If it's legit he wouldn't mind a third party escrow to hold both the money and the card then distribute accordingly.
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02-04-2007, 06:10 AM
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Its a common reprint from 1996. It has major design differences a 3 year old can see <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://members.aol.com/canofprimo/1952tmantlefake.jpg"><img src="http://members.aol.com/canofprimo/1952tmantleauthentic.jpg"><br /><br />The whole photo has been cropped (gap above hat, the letter "R" was removed or cropped from uniform).<br /><br />The name/logo plate was moved up slightly as it now extends into the bat on Mantle's shoulder and covers more of his hand. Also the "K" bat in the "Yankees" logo is missing the bottom part that goes into the yellow.<br /><br />Its a common reprint, and my guess it is graded SGC98 but the flip was messed with (or scan was doctored) and the word 1996 reprint was removed. I believe all the authentic 1952 cards graded by SGC will say "High #" below the players name. I cant find a scan of a graded 1996 Topps reprint, but I know from the list at SGC that they do grade the reprints. This is definitely one of the 1996 reprints, I compared it to a couple on eBay.
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02-04-2007, 06:32 AM
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>don't offer 'CASH' on delivery.....they offer COD which is COLLECT on delivery. They no longer accept Cash as payment upon delivery--especially for this amount. Too risky for drivers. Not sure about DHL........card is worth about $1.50........
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02-04-2007, 08:17 AM
Posted By: <b>Steve M.</b><p>Now if eBay would just listen.
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02-05-2007, 03:42 PM
Posted By: <b>Fred Y</b><p>Well, it finally has disappeared !!
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02-06-2007, 03:58 PM
Posted By: <b>basestealer b. basestealer</b><p>There's a crack on the top right of the SGC case. I reported the auction to the AFP, but I have no clue if they are interested in investigating it further--they would have to work with ebay to obtain the CI of the seller. Did anyone manage to jot down the seller's ID just in case it gets listed again?
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02-06-2007, 04:26 PM
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>It most likely is a doctored scan/label.<br /><br />The card is a 1996 Topps reprint graded by SGC as a SGC98.<br /><br />The SGC Label originally read something like this<br /><br />1996 TOPPS<br />#311 MICKEY MANTLE<br />1952 TOPPS<br /><br />it was photoshoped to look like this (in scan notice the "96" was obviously changed to "52")<br /><br />1952 TOPPS<br />#311 MICKEY MANTLE<br /><br /><br /><br />authentic 1952 cards will have a label like this<br /><br />1952 TOPPS<br />#311 MICKEY MANTLE<br />ROOKIE High#<br /><br />Here is the card that is in the slab.<br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1996-Topps-1952-Mickey-Mantle-Sweepstakes-card-MINT_W0QQitemZ190073308920" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1996-Topps-1952-Mickey-Mantle-Sweepstakes-card-MINT_W0QQitemZ190073308920</a>
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02-06-2007, 06:40 PM
Posted By: <b>Fred Y</b><p>UNBELIEVABLE!!<br /><br />Same guy now has a '51 Bowman Mantle up and says something about the label being tampered with!<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/MICKEY-MANTLE-253-BOWMAN-1951-PSA-5-EXCELLENT_W0QQitemZ300078508663QQihZ020QQcategoryZ 55917QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/MICKEY-MANTLE-253-BOWMAN-1951-PSA-5-EXCELLENT_W0QQitemZ300078508663QQihZ020QQcategoryZ 55917QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a>
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02-06-2007, 06:51 PM
Posted By: <b>basestealer</b><p>That card is so trimmed, he may as well have cut it in half. Not to mention I question the authenticity... Imagine, a trimmed counterfeit!