Top Ten (Tier 1 HOFER's)

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Posted By: <b>Darren</b><p>My list of the cream of the crop<br /><br />1. Babe Ruth<br />2. Ty Cobb<br />3. Walter Johnson<br />4. Christopher Mathewson<br />5. Ted Williams<br />6. Lou Gehrig<br />7. Cy Young<br />8. Honus Wagner<br />9. Hank Aaron<br />10. Rogers Hornsby

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p><br />Personally (for players I would like to collect)......<br /><br />1. Matty<br />2. Walter Johnson<br />3. Ty Cobb<br />4. Honus Wagner<br />5. Cy Young<br /><br />my list would then go into some non-hofers -<br />but I think that is it for HOFs that I would actively look to collect.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Dave Snyder</b><p>........Rogers Hornsby.<br /><br />I would replace him with Nap Lajoie, but you could make a case that Tris Speaker, Cap Anson, Stan Musial, Joe Dimaggio, Willie Mays and Mickey Mantle deserve it more than Hornsby does.

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Posted By: <b>Mark Burke</b><p>took a slightly different approach, by position....<br />TY COBB CF<br />ROGERS HORNSBY2B<br />TED WILLIAMSLF<br />BABE RUTHRF<br />LOU GEHRIG1B<br />Honus WagnerSS<br />Johnny BenchC<br />Walter JohnsonRHP<br />Sandy KoufaxLHP<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>My list is: Ruth, Cobb, Johnson, Gehrig, Williams, Hornsby, Mathewson, Wagner, Mays, Dimaggio.

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Posted By: <b>Bobby Binder</b><p>Walter Johnson<br />Ty Cobb<br />George Sisler<br />Babe Ruth<br />Jimmie Foxx<br />Cy Young<br />Christy Mathewson<br />Honus Wagner<br />Eddie Plank<br />Lou Gehrig

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Ruth<br />Cobb<br />Wagner<br />Matty<br />Johnson<br />Young<br />Gehrig<br />Dimaggio<br />Lajoie<br />Hornsby

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted By: <b>Chad</b><p>It's Bullet Joe Rogan and Martin Dihigo! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />My Negro League top ten:<br /><br />Charleston<br />Gibson<br />Rogan<br />Dihigo<br />Paige<br />Lloyd<br />Wells<br />Torriente<br />Jud Wilson<br />Turkey Stearnes<br /><br />Vintage MLB top 10<br /><br />Ruth<br />Wagner<br />Gehrig<br />Johnson<br />Mathewson<br />Cobb<br />Speaker<br />Young<br />Delahanty<br />Collins<br /><br /><br />--Chad

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>PLAYER (years)<br /><br />Johnson (21)<br />Mathewson (17)<br />Plank (17)<br />CYoung (22)<br /><br />Anson (22)<br />Foxx (20)<br />Gehrig (17)<br />Hornsby (23)<br />Ruth (22)<br />Ted Williams (19)<br /><br />And, #11 is Joe DiMaggio....how anyone can omit DiMag, I don't understand. He played for only 13 years....<br />served 3 years in WWII....But, was on 11 Championship teams in his short career. No other player has that<br /> kind of success....was he lucky because he was Yankee, perhaps; but without Joe, I don't think the Yankees<br /> would have been as successful.<br /><br />TED Z

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Posted By: <b>Steve Parmentier</b><p>In 1936, first year HOF ballot was:<br />1. Cobb<br />2. Ruth<br />3. W.Johnson<br />The baseball writers thought these the 2 best position players and the best pitcher.<br />4. Lou Gehrig - voted in special early<br />The next 3 slots go players whose were simply most dominant during their prime.<br />5. Mickey Mantle - never saw him, but on those old HR derby shows, he hit them harder, further, and more often than all of 'em. MVP awards and Championships, he's got 'em.<br />6. Koufax - considered God by many<br />7. Nolan Ryan - how many no-hitters if he pitched on a raised mound like Koufax did? I have complete game video of his 5th no-no in 1981 vs. Dodgers - A curve ball CANNOT get any better! And I hear he had a decent fastball as well.<br />The next 2 slots go to players I want if I must win a 7 game series.<br />8. Pete Rose - actually very similar to Cobb in many respects.<br />9. Stan Musial - Stat guy Bill James has him ranked #1 in MVP award shares.<br />Last but not least, maybe even first - Satchel Paige.

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Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>1900-1920---cobb & wagner<br />1920-1940---ruth gehrig <br />1940-1960---musial ted williams joe dimaggio<br />1960-2000---mays mantle aaron<br />we need a separate catagory for pitchers or a top 30 at least! i picked these as i feel they were not only the best of their times but also the most famous of their times

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>I would include Willie Mays. I'm not even against including Mike Schmidt, a slick<br />fielding power hitter at a key position.

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>Just to correct that Matty finished higher than Johnson....<br /><br />History of BBWAA Hall of Fame Voting<br />1936 Election<br /><br />Total ballots cast: 226 Necessary for election: 170 <br /><br />Name Votes PCT <br />Ty Cobb 222 98.23 <br />Babe Ruth 215 95.13 <br />Honus Wagner 215 95.13 <br />Christy Mathewson 205 90.71 <br />Walter Johnson 189 83.63 <br />

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Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>How bout an all-time pitching staff?<br />Starters<br />S. Koufax<br />P. Alexander<br />C. Mathewson<br />W. Johnson<br />R. Clemens<br /><br />Out of the bullpen<br />D. Dean<br />L. Grove<br />M. Rivera<br />B. Gibson<br />N. Ryan<br /> <br />

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>Hard to compare pitchers with other position players, but here is my list.<br /><br />Ruth<br />Cobb<br />Wagner<br />Matty<br />Johnson<br />Young<br />Mantle<br />Mays<br />Aaron<br />Gehrig<br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve Parmentier</b><p>Thx for correction in Matty scoring higher than Johnson. Then gimme Mathewson instead.

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Posted By: <b>Sean Coe</b><p>My List:<br /><br />1. Ruth<br />2. Mays<br />3. Walter Johnson<br />4. Satchel Paige<br />5. Cobb<br />6. Wagner<br />7. Gehrig<br />8. Ted Williams<br />9. Aaron<br />10.Mathewson

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Prizner</b><p>keepin' it pre-war<br /><br />Ruth<br />Cobb<br />Johnson<br />Matty<br />Wagner<br />Young<br />Speaker<br />Lajoie<br />Plank<br />Collins<br />

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>1900-1945 Top Tier<br />Cobb<br />Wagner<br />Matty<br />Johnson<br />Young<br />Ruth<br />Gerhig<br />DiMaggio<br />Williams<br />Jackson (I know he is not in the Hall, but he is collected as if he were)<br /><br />2nd Tier<br />Lajoie<br />Speaker<br />Plank<br />Foxx<br />Hubbel<br /><br />3rd Tier<br />M. Brown<br />Joss<br />Tinker<br />Evers<br />Chance<br /><br />4th Tier<br />All other HOFs<br /><br />This is off the top of my head so I may be forgetting some that belong in their.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>I find it very interesting that no one here has even suggested any player that is post a 1950s era. Even then there are only a couple mentioned the big 4-5.<br /><br />So does this mean that all the pre-war players were far greatly then everyone after?<br /><br />Will any "modern" day player even be spoken of in the way or compared to these pre-war greats?<br /><br /><br />James Gallo<br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>peter chao</b><p>James,<br /><br />People on this thread are probably biased to start with. Also, we are on the cautious side and probably to some extent following Bill James (stats guru) approach. It's really difficult to evaluate a modern day player with any objectivity.<br /><br />One example is Barry Bonds, one day we may think of a batter taking steroids as being no more different than a pitcher throwing a spitter, if that ever happens then Barry may very well be in the top 10.<br /><br />However, right now it's better to be on the safe side and say he isn't and may never be.<br /><br />Peter

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>James,<br />I preumed it was Pre-War since that is the focus of the forum. I'm sure others did the same. If we were to include the '50's and '60's that would of course include:<br /><br />Mantle<br />Mays<br />Aaron<br />Clemente<br />Koufax<br />Robinson<br />Paige<br /><br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>E, Daniel</b><p>If I can throw in post 50's players, these men would all have been around the money in my top 10, fully interchangable with most of the lists created thus far of pre-war. I think we have and do romaticize players from the earliest times in baseball, and that a pure evaluation of their talents against post war players would in the end prove somewhat of a wash.<br /><br />Musial<br />Mays<br />Mantle<br />Williams<br />Koufax<br />Gibson<br />Rose<br />Ryan<br />Clemens<br />Bonds<br />Jeter<br /> <br />Honorable mention Ozzie Smith for making one skill set look completely different and extraordinary compared to any time before and after.<br /><br /><br />Daniel

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>I just want to point out that Babe Ruth might have made this list solely as a pitcher:<br />1. Babe Ruth<br />2. Ty Cobb<br />3. Honus Wagner (just because I'm biased from T206)<br />4. Walter Johnson<br />4a. Christy Mathewson<br />6. Lou Gehrig<br />7. Nap Lajoie<br />8. Mickey Mantle<br />9. Ted Williams<br />10. Joe DiMaggio (also biased because I'm a Yankees fan)<br /><br />Regards to all<br />Jay Kaplan<br />T206kid<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Noel</b><p>1) Ruth<br />2) Mays<br />3) Cobb<br />4) Williams<br />5) Gehrig<br />6) Mathewson<br />7) Dimaggio<br />8) Wagner<br />9) Speaker<br />10) Musial<br /><br />My top seven are pretty firm but I think you could plug in Walter Johnson, Bonds, Hornsby, Sisler, Aaron, Foxx, Koufax, Alexander and Grove anywhere after #8 and it would fit. Good question and very tough picking just 10.

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Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>i cant believe everyone left grover alexander off their lists, look at his career!