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Posted By: <b>bruce Dorskind</b><p><br /><br />Bobby Binder's Boston Garter 1912 Joe Jackson post raises<br />a fascinating question.<br /><br />Does anyone know of a card series where the cards were<br />check listed by the issuing company...but a card or cards were<br />issued that was not part of the issuing company's checklist? <br /><br />Many E series cards have a check list on the reverse of<br />the card, as does the George Miller R 300 series. To our<br />knowledge, there has not been a card discovered that<br />was not on the company check list.<br /><br />The only example that comes to mind are the unissued<br />1935 Diamond Stars- 4 samples of which were auctioned<br />at Sotheby's in the mid 1990's<br /><br />With the broad range of knowledge here, there is little<br />doubt that several of you will identify important examples.<br /><br /><br />Best,<br /><br /><br />Bruce Dorskind<br />America's Toughest Want List

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Posted By: <b>Dylan</b><p>There are sets with pose variations like E102 "set of 25(players)" which consists of 29 cards. But I cant think of any set that actually left out a player on their checklist on the back of a card. If there is one, like Barry said, itd probably be a promo or proof item.

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>I've always liked those little E102 cards, and used to think I'd finish the set, until guys like those who read these posts started bidding them up, and gobbling them up... I hope these lose their popularity for a couple of years.<br /><br />E102 has 25 cards listed on the back. 25 players, 4 (Doyle, Miller, Wagner, and Schmidt who has a "Schmidt" card and a "Smith" card) have two poses or cards. <br /><br />The back lists "Schmidt"... so in a way the "Smith" card isn't listed, but since it really is Schmidt and is misspelled, in a way the card is listed.

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>Duke Cigarettes...<br /><br />"Thanksgiving Day" is not on the checklist for N88 cards --- but it is on the checklist for the similar but larger N136.<br /><br />Yet... when I was trying to complete the N88 set.... to my surprise... I acquired an N88 Thanksgiving Day<br /><br /><img src="http://www.internetville.com/stuff/n88thanks.jpg"><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Jason L</b><p>I have nothing to add, but without hijacking the thread, if someone answering this thread also knows the answer to this one, I would be interested to know: What is the earliest set that included a checklist? (Not just a reference on the reverse to the number of cards in the set) <br /><br />Just wondering if that was done from the proverbial "start"...

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Posted By: <b>bruce Dorskind</b><p><br /><br />Old Judge published a check list that one could order via the mail<br /><br />There is a check list on the back of the N 28 Allen and Ginter cards<br /><br />Not aware of any company published baseball card <br />checklists that date earlier than 1887<br /><br /><br />Bruce Dorskind<br />America's Toughest Want List<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>The earliest checklisted set would be N28 Allen & Ginter. Bruce's question is a fascinating one- the only errata in checklisting would regard the number of cards in a series- such as a Piedmont 150 or 350 series, which has proven to have a number known other than that. But I can't think of a single checklist, even going into the Topps era, that excludes a card that actually exists. But I bet somebody will come up with one.

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Posted By: <b>Jay</b><p>Bruce--What you are saying about Old Judge, while factually correct, is misleading. Goodwin & Co published a list (actually three different) of N173s that could be ordered. They is no assurance that some of those cabinets were ever made (my sense is that for many players they were made as the order came in--slap a photo on a mount---NEXT!). So those listings do not show what was available, rather what could have been available(if no one ordered a cabinet of player X then none was ever made). I also have a two player cabinet that is not on any of the order lists, so the lists were not all inclusive anyway. Finally, these lists were not on a card but were inserted into the cigarette packs along with a card, and a coupon for getting cabinets.

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Posted By: <b>ErlandStevens</b><p>According to the price guides, the T5 Pinkerton cabinets had a published checklist of 300-400 cards. The card numbers had big gaps in them, and I believe the highest number in the list was about 1100. Last month, a card numbered 1510 (Musser of Canton in the O &amp; P League) was sold on eBay. I believe that the O &amp; P League (Ohio and Pennsylvania) was a semi-pro league, so it's surprising to me that these cards would have been made. I have an image of it, but, alas, I can't figure out the post images instructions.

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>see my earlier post.<br /><br />N88 excludes "Thanksgiving Day" .... and the card does exist.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Sorry Joe- I did go right past your post. But do you consider that a baseball card?

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>the set has a bunch of baseball cards in it....<br />and the backs of the cards have the checklist.<br /><br />"Thanksgiving Day" (card posted earlier) is not on the checklist.<br /><br /><br />Here are some of the baseball cards from the N88 set....<br /><br /><img src="http://www.internetville.com/stuff/n88firstfourFront.jpg"><br /><br /><img src="http://www.internetville.com/stuff/n88twoFront.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>Assuming you are limiting the scenario strictly to extra cards and not variations on cards:<br /><br />N269 has 50 cards consecurively numbered but card 35 can be Lannon or Ashton

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Posted By: <b>barry arnold</b><p>great looking cards, Joe.<br />they remind me of the T203's my wife collected for a bit.<br />since the 203's were often identified as baseball comics,i.e. cards that represented 'cute' even comedic ideas rather than actual players, they<br />were not seen as 'baseball cards'. I think this is the sort of thing<br />you are referring to ,Barry S., with respect to Joe's cards; am I right?<br />Whatever the category, the cards are real gems, Joe.<br /><br /><br />all the best,<br />barry <br /> <br />

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Joe- I auctioned a complete set of N88 several years ago but I recall only a small handful were baseball.

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Posted By: <b>Joe D.</b><p>because it is not on the checklist <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><br />btw... I think I may have posted all of the baseball ones. There is a 'foot ball' card in the set (but I think they mean soccer).<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Eric B</b><p>Allen & Ginter's N9 Flags of Nations series has a back checklist of 48 cards. It was that way for over 999% of the cards. Then a printing with Corea and Roumania occurred to make it 50. The Corea and Roumania cards have all 50 listed but I don't know if the other cards have their checklist updated as well (on this final printing only, of course).