Anyone know about ASA-accugrade...

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Posted By: <b>steve b</b><p>Are they reliable, i heard they were the first to grade 1-10 scale. I want to buy a proof that was graded by them. Also would it be possible to crossover to SGC, thanks.

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>I've had two of thier cards in the past that I tried crossing over to PSA, both were 1933 Goudey's. One came back evidence of trimming and one went from a 7 to a PSA 4, I wouldn't buy anything from them ever again, but just my opinion i guess.

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Posted By: <b>aro13</b><p>Alan Hager did start the first grading company and was the first to use and patent the 1 to 10 grading scale. Buying ASA cards is certainly very risky. There are plenty of trimmed and altered cards in ASA holders but there are also some nice cards that are accurately or even under graded. The trick is figuring out which cards are which. I believe Hager bought a ton of proof cards from a 1990's Topps auction so the proofs probably have a better chance of being okay.

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Posted By: <b>steve b</b><p>1996 ROBERT EDWARDS AUCTION, graded 6-ENM ASA. Also is there just 1 proof from a set or can there be many? It is a 95 year old proof. thanks

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>If it looks good...myself, I'd just bid low....wouldn't bid the same price as what you think that would translate into a SGC card

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>A few years ago I purchased two cards that were ASA graded. The cards were authentic and liberally graded. I cracked them from the holders and submitted them to SGC and received one card that was 1 grade lower and the other card was 2 grades lower. I figured that this was going to happen but when you get the cards at a discount this is to be expected. From the pictures/scans it was clear that the ASA graded cards were not trimmed, just over graded. <br /><br />Take a discount and take a chance.

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>He was a crook, no doubt about it. Read Dennis Purdy's expose in an old VCBC. He used ASA to aggrandize his own stuff, much to his own profit. The overgrading shows the pitfalls in being grader and owner and seller all together. The few ASA cards I've purchased were 2-3 grades overgraded but sold for a pittance as well due to his seedy rep.

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Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>Hager owes me about $200.00 from about 13 or 14 years ago. He pulled a fast one on me. I won't go into it, but if he is, or was, associated with it, run, run like the wind !!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>If its a E95 or E96 "Proof" in a ASA slab, its not what it is said to be. It is a 1913 Notebook cut out card. There are at least 3 floating around in ASA slabs (2 Lajoie's and a Wagner), and the one (Lajoie) in an older SGC slab.<br /><br />BTW the ASA Wagner (so called) "proof" is actually pictured in the Ken Burns Baseball Documentary (1980s), as someone (Hager?) brags about how its so rare and is worth a ton of $$

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>As discussed in another thread (T3 proofs), proofs were production items, sometimes with rough cuts. While authenticity is essential, grade is not as important for proofs. They were behind-the-scenes test items, not finished products to be sent to the market. If a proof is known to be genuine, it's slabbed 1-10 grade is of secondary importance.

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Posted By: <b>Richard Dwyer</b><p>Hagar is a big crook. He got ahold of a bunch of counterfeit Mark McQuire rookie cards and slabbed them all "10". Can't remember which dealer told me, but he said Hagar slabbed over 2000 of these cards and sold them on eBay.