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11-27-2006, 08:26 AM
Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p> *Sellers using an open-ended appraisal as a license to scam.<br /><br /> I realize they're covering their heiney(s), but these ambiguous (questionable???)labels leave too much reasonable doubt for naive collectors and create an expensive false hope. <br /><br /> What will be the final tally?.. I'm guessing $300 plus. Oh, and no returns!<br /><br />Thanks, Steve F<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120056421826&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="<a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120056421826&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120056421826&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting</a</a>" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120056421826&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting</a</a>>" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120056421826&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting</a</a>></a>;<br /><br /><br /><br />Edited for clarification;<br /><br />*This is a blanket statement of <u>some</u> sellers in general. I am not implying that this particular seller has malicious intent, as I don't know him personally. This post was a critique of Grading Companies lack of candor.I apologize if my opening comment was misinterpreted.<br /><br />Matt, Feel free to ask and I will post two graded examples of the W514 Joe Jax for comparison purposes.
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11-27-2006, 09:26 AM
Posted By: <b>jackgoodman</b><p>I guess I don't get it. Someone puts an item on Ebay clearly indicating it came back from a grading company as "questionable" and still gets grief on this board. How much plainer does a seller need to get about an item? Let's pick on those sellers that are attempting to deceive and not those that are upfront. (sure, he may still be looking for someone with diminished mental capacity, but if that's not you, don't worry about it.)
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11-27-2006, 09:40 AM
Posted By: <b>ralph</b><p>Yes, what more do you want !<br /> The guy is saying came back questionable for a grading company.<br /> But if some guy wins it at a steal..and it grades as godd from another grading company..well then ..all of a sudden..its the steal of the century ,..and does the winning bidder go back to the seller and say " hey the card was real, and you sold it too cheap" ?? Yea right !
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11-27-2006, 12:22 PM
Posted By: <b>lee behrens</b><p>The only problem I have with the auction is the fact that he says it was rejected by SGC but there is no tag. So to me it raises a question of whether it actually was sent in.<br /><br />I have probably 15 SGC tagged cards that they would not holder, if I was ever to sell them they would be sold with the tag in auction and sent to the buyer.<br /><br />Lee
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11-27-2006, 12:46 PM
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>There is nothing questionable about it. The card was (easily) found to be fake/reprint. The problem is newbees thinking that a grader couldnt figure it out for certain. There is no doubt, the easiest part of grading is the authentication part of it.<br /><br />What needs to be done, and Ive said this for years, these graders need to get blunt and just pute "Unauthentic" or "Fake" right on the flip. By putting "? Authenticity" some newbee (seller or bidder) will actually think that they couldnt figure it out and werent sure if it was authentic (far from the truth).
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11-27-2006, 01:10 PM
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>I agree the grading companies should give a less ambigous answer. The problem is if they were wrong it'd be a lot worse of a problem for the grading company then it is when they use the word "questionanble." I think it protects the grading company to use such wording
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11-27-2006, 05:41 PM
Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>Using "questionable" as a remark is too ambiguous. They need to complete the comment and insert the word AUTHENTICITY if that's what they mean. Otherwise some excrement may use the flip "questionable" as a guise to sell the card and indicate that it is questionable as to whether or not the card has been altered. If people thought the card was, at least, authentic then they may bid on it.<br /><br />The flips can be dangerous. This is where that "oversight" committee Bruce was talking about would come in handy. The committee could set the standard for reject flips.