E-105's

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>After picking one of these up yesterday, been trying to read up on them a little today. Just how rare are these? How many do you own? Have you owned? And in general what condition???

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>They are pretty tough. If you go to Pete Calderon's site, only e104s and e107s are considered tougher. Thy are usually found with a crease in the center runnig top to bottom. I was lucky enough to have bought a number of them that were crease free a find Mark Macrae made around 1989 or 1990. I bought a Young, Lajoie, Knight and Bescher. All would have graded 5 or higher.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>One relative rarity list places e105 at 1.3% of the total e-card population. For comparison, this list has e107s and e104s at 0.9%. And e99 & e100 at 0.2%.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Gil, where did these numbers come from?<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>Jay, I calculated those values from data tabulated by BOTN on actual eBay sales of e-cards over a nominal 18 month span.<br /><br />This information was never double checked for accuracy, so it has never been discussed.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>That's not the most reliable way to determine scaricity. A lot of sales are driven by whatever is the flavor of the moment. E107s have hot a few years now, so we've seen a lot more come to market becuase of the prices they have generated. With the recent auction of e104s, I won't be surprised to see more of them come to market either. The prices realized have certainly got thinking about unlaoding mine.<br /><br />Another example is t210s. There are fairly scarce cards, but if someone just started collecting in the past year or so, they'd think they are almost as common as t205s.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>Unfortunately Jay, I do not usually have the luxury of being able to do things the most reliable way. In this instance I came upon a significant amount of data, evaluated it for apparent accuracy and completeness, and chose to use it for my own purposes (and today - to offer asphaltman some insight that he was seeking).<br /><br />I have no reason to suspect that the data nor my calculations are incorrect, however, as you point out an 18 month study period may skew the values. But please realize that tabulating every eBay sale of e-cards manually is a sizable undertaking. This was compiled before we had the benefit of the databases of Bobby and Ted.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I'm not questioning your calculations or the accuracy of the numbers collected. I'm just questioning the validity of the numbers relative to the actual population. My experience from teh 80s doesn't bear out the data presented. My experience is much closer to what is presented on Pete's site.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>Well that would be interesting, I will have to check out pete's site.

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>I do not see a disagreement Jay. Pete employs general terms to characterize rarity, such as very difficult, extremely difficult, etc. for each e-card subdivision, and with very few divergences the calculated values which I have from a sample of about 2500 individual sales, mirror his descriptions. Maybe you are seeing something that I am missing. I have added my calculated percentages of the total e-card population to his descriptive terms below.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Which sets are easier to find than others? Which sets are harder to find than others? Below is a chart I put together based on my experience and the findings of a few other collectors. Granted, within each set there are going to rare cards but this list is for overall availability. <br /><br />E90.1 The most commonly found. – 30.0%<br />E95 Commonly found. – 9.7%<br />E92 Dockman Commonly found. – all e92 grouped together = 12.3% <br />E91 Commonly found. – 8.1%<br />E96 Harder to find, not difficult. – 6.2%<br />E93 Harder to find, not difficult. – 7.1%<br />E101 A little harder to find, but not difficult. – 5.9%<br />E98 A little harder to find, borderline difficult. – 3.2%<br />E92 Croft's & Allen Difficult. – crofts + dockman + nadjia = 12.3%<br />E106 Difficult. – 1.3%<br />The availability of the above sets as compared to the rest of the sets on this list is <br />rather pronounce. Even though E94 comes after E106 in this chart the <br />difference in availability between the 2 sets is quite dramatic. <br />E94 Very difficult. – 2.3%<br />E102 Very difficult. – 3.6%<br />E92 Croft's Cocoa Very difficult - almost as hard as Nadjas – all e92s grouped together. <br />E92 Nadja all e92s grouped together <br /> Very difficult. <br />E103 Very difficult. – 2.4%<br />E97 Extremely difficult. – 2.0%<br />E90.2 Extremely difficult. – 1.8%<br />E90.3 Extremely difficult. – 1.3%<br />E99 & E100 Extremely difficult. 0.2 + 0.2%<br />E105 Extremely difficult. – 1.3%<br />E104 Extremely difficult. – 0.9%<br />E107 – 0.9%<br /> Near Impossible - see one - BUY IT. <br />E97 Black & White Near Impossible - you don't buy it, I will. – all e97 grouped together<br />E94 Overprints Near Impossible - you don't buy it, I will. – all e94 grouped together<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Dave</b><p>is there any book value listed anywhere for these e-105's? not graded, but just a standard value for the cards in varying condition online??

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Posted By: <b>S Gross</b><p>Old Cardboard list them at $150 vg. Which I think is a bit low, since if I saw an e105 vg at $150, I'd jump at it.<br /><br />I've always though the "folded in half for packaging" was a bit of a vintage card "urban legend." Of the maybe 15-20 cards I've seen for sale or on personal sites, I think I've only seen 1 or 2 with said fold. On the other thread a member stated his experience at 70:1 no fold. I'm sure some were folded, but probably the exception.<br /><br />The only one I own had it's corner torn off to fit into package ... <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1162233639.JPG"> <br /><br /><br />((( "Rutgers - Rutgers - Rah - Rah - Rah" --- Mr. Magoo )))

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>I have never seen Peter Calderon's site. Can someone post a link?

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Posted By: <b>Andrew</b><p>Pete's site: www.caramel-cards.com

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Posted By: <b>mike mullins</b><p>Gilbert, <br /><br />That is a great chart -- very informative for a novice collector like myself. Thank you for sharing your information!<br /><br />mm