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09-28-2006, 09:17 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Were these prices surprising to anyone else?<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290032188454&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW:IT&ih=019" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290032188454&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW:IT&ih=019</a><br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290032187522&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW:IT&ih=019" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290032187522&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW:IT&ih=019</a>

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09-28-2006, 09:20 PM
Posted By: <b>jeff drum</b><p>As my snipe on the Gehringer wasn't even in the right zip code. Guess some folks consider this his first "card." I love exhibits and have never bothered myself with whether they are a card or not. Suprising yes in light of the fact that they have writing on the back and have evidently been through a typewriter.

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09-28-2006, 09:25 PM
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Rookie card collector fighting for rookie cards.<br /><br />The '25 Gehrig Exhibit is the only rookie that shows a value increase in the guides ($12,000 NRMT). But some of the others like these 2 should have their values updated since they obviously sell for 4X their current book value.

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09-28-2006, 09:49 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>I had forgotten the rookie factor, and the fact that rookie collectors don't seem to care about the fact that Lazzeri had several earlier Zeenut cards.

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09-29-2006, 10:43 AM
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>The last week or so I've seen Combs, Lazzeri and Gehringer cards offered, all of which went sky high. With back writing. And the 1925 Gehrig went for $2800+ with back writing. <br />

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09-29-2006, 11:19 AM
Posted By: <b>Daniel Bretta</b><p>How often do these early 1920s exhibit cards show up? Would the recent batch of cards on ebay be considered a major find? Has anyone asked this guy how many exhibits were in this lot that he acquired?

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09-29-2006, 11:32 AM
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>HRbaker out there.....there aren't THAT many 1920's exhibits popping up anymore. Usually when they do, it seems like it's big collections of them like the one currently on or someone breaking sets up. Seems like Lipset ALWAYS had sets of them for sale but they are being a little more closely held now. I had the Lazzeri and Gehringer bookmarked and sniped but was WAAAAYYY below to the point the snipe wasn't even placed.......

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09-29-2006, 12:33 PM
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>1921, 1922, 1927 and 1928 represent the majority (if not vast majority) of what comes up for sale regularly. You also see a good number of 1925s and PC backed cards centered on the late printings. Early PC backs are tough and 1923-4 and 1926 are very tough. I had not seen any of those 1926 HOFers offered anywhere before. Gehrig is a rookie card phenomenon; demand drives that one. Look, I paid $89 for a Specs Torporcer...<br /><br />I contacted the seller directly about the collection. It is huge and it will all go on ebay. He did not want to hear individual offers.

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09-29-2006, 12:57 PM
Posted By: <b>jeff drum</b><p>You might have the opportunity to bid on a Combs, Gehringer once to twice a year. You see the Gehrig a little more often I assume because it sells for so much. I guess in ths instance he rarity compensates for the writing/typing on the back. Can anyone else tell if the name that appears toward the bottom of each of these cards is a stamp as opposed to typeface. If i is typing then I am assuming that they were all rolled through the carriage of a typewritier in addition to being written on. Most of the '26 Exhibits that I have came from a find of E&Rs in the late 90s.

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09-29-2006, 12:59 PM
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>he has tons of Boxing Exhibits too. Guess each and every one made the ring around the typewriter to get the name on the back. Shame the original owner couldn't have bought a nice stamp! As with Old Judges and other blank-backed issues, back writing seems to be less and less important as people realize true scarcity (or I guess just AVAILABILITY) on some of these issues.<br /><br />

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09-29-2006, 01:20 PM
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>I didn't see any evidence that any of these were sent through the roller of a typewriter. Would the exhibits be covered with horizontal creases if that were the case?<br /><br />

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09-29-2006, 01:54 PM
Posted By: <b>jeff drum</b><p>Yes you would think that would be the case. They seem to be flat but if that is not a stamp - how else would the typing get there? Guess it is possible. They don't look rolled up. But if it was done 70+ years ago -that is a lot of time to flatten out.

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09-29-2006, 02:22 PM
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>He typed his name on the bottom of each card which suggests to me that he did NOT roll them through, but just stuck them behind the ribbon from the top of the typewriter and typed his name. None of the cards that I viewed look like they have been rolled through a typewriter. I won the Eddie Collins about a week ago, but have yet to receive it...I'll let you guys know if it was rolled through.

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09-29-2006, 02:47 PM
Posted By: <b>jeff drum</b><p>As they are typed at the bottom that may be exactly what he did. I hope so.

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09-29-2006, 03:19 PM
Posted By: <b>Joe Tocco</b><p>When I was pledging a fraternity in college, we had to type our names on eggs. We did this by putting a length of typewriter ribbon in a folded piece of wax paper, and transferrring the wet ink to the egg. I'm 100% sure the owner of these cards did the same thing <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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09-29-2006, 03:28 PM
Posted By: <b>jeff drum</b><p>Eggsactly what i hope he did!

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09-29-2006, 03:37 PM
Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>I actually think it's kinda cool that some kid in the 1920s cherished these cards so much that he labelled them with his name lest they be stolen or perhaps to not get mixed in with his brother's cards....he also updated the backs when a player went to a new team. With modern cards you can't touch them or you'll leave a fingerprint on them.

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09-29-2006, 03:41 PM
Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>It's about time that Exhibits (early years) came up in price. Those cards were like red-headed step children (unless you're a red head) to a lot of collectors. Those cards are great. They're large pictures with great poses of superstars that used to be relatively inexpensive. People are finally figuring out that these aren't so bad after all.

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09-29-2006, 06:34 PM
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1159490047.JPG">

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09-29-2006, 07:07 PM
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>I don't think you can judge the overall exhibit market based on a handful of examples. The Lazzeri and Gehringer went sky high because they are rookies. Not because they are exhibits. The overall exhibit market is pretty cold (non-rookies, of course).<br /><br />

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09-29-2006, 08:28 PM
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>Many key exhibits from the seller of the cards we've been discussing were quite strong. I know because I lost out on quite a few and/or paid rather hefty prices for others. True, the same 1921s that are on ebay every friggin' week did not set records, but what do you expect? Scarcer cards went quite well even given the lack of overall understanding of the cards' rarity among the general collecting populace.

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09-30-2006, 06:30 AM
Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>given the conditions of those cards with the typing and writing on the back....any without visible front flaws did really really well. Lots of the 'commons' were in the $30-$60 range with some of the more obscure but not big name HOFers going for $200+. Thought that was all pretty strong for stuff that wouldn't likely get over an SGC30 or PSA3(MK) type grade. Again, largely because you just don't see that many of them on there at once. I think it brings MORE bidders out and they bid against each other more vigorously than just 1's and 2's of the cards listed weekly. JMO..........

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09-30-2006, 10:52 AM
Posted By: <b>S. Gross</b><p>I agree with all; especially Tom's last point about the number of cards being auctioned at once. It allows a potenitally "new" collector a great insight to the grand variaty of a relitively unknown issue. Or it "shakes-up" the interest in "old" collectors of the issue to expand or update their collection.<br /><br />By the way -- these are GREAT cards -- from a really neat collection. Personally, I think all Exhibits should have a pin hole, showing they were enjoyed on a daily basis. Also the writing on the backs (in this case the more the better) is great. Here you have someone from the 1920's literally keeping track of the players career, AS IT HAPPENED !!!!!

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09-30-2006, 12:17 PM
Posted By: <b>jeff drum</b><p>The lion's share of the many Exhibits I have have some sort of "documentation" on the back. Several have very neat foutain pen statistics of the player wriiten in grid form across the back horizintally. Many document trades, retirements, etc. Adds to the "ambiance" of the card in my view. I have a couple that still retain the friction tab from the machine as well. I rty to stray away from pin or tack holes if possible but that won't keep me from buying one. I have always collected them because I liked them and never really considered whether they were undervalued or not. Adam makes a great point to the fact that several of these are downright "near impossible" to locate.