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09-23-2006, 09:08 PM
Posted By: <b>dave</b><p>i have nothing to do with this auction either way, but am curious, does this card look legit?<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1895-NEWSBOY-CABINET-177-E-D-EDDIE-BURKE-NY-GIANTS_W0QQitemZ180031737975QQihZ008QQcategoryZ868 39QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1895-NEWSBOY-CABINET-177-E-D-EDDIE-BURKE-NY-GIANTS_W0QQitemZ180031737975QQihZ008QQcategoryZ868 39QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a>

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09-23-2006, 09:12 PM
Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>Copy link and paste it into browser address window. Once it's there, delete the "&gt;" character from the very end of the string, and the link will work then.<br /><br />As to the point of the thread ... I have no clue about this card. I'm not familiar with this set at all. But links? Now those I can help with!<br /><br />Joann

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09-23-2006, 09:14 PM
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>it should be corrected

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09-23-2006, 09:29 PM
Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>Joann, thanks I'll save this info, believe or not worked with computers for 30 or more years, but mainframe stuff. Sometimes this online pc stuff is not the same.<br /><br />Joe, Go Tigers<br><br>Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!

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09-23-2006, 09:29 PM
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>Now a 1,000 more collectors have seen it. Oh well

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09-23-2006, 09:34 PM
Posted By: <b>Dan Bretta</b><p>1000 collectors would have seen this anyway. Plus it has a reserve so no one was going to get this one on the cheap.

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09-23-2006, 09:34 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I thought the same thing..

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09-23-2006, 09:35 PM
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>i just thought by the colors looked way to "white"? could it be in that good of shape?

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09-23-2006, 10:04 PM
Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>It is whiter than normal, but that may be due to the digital photo along with<br />good storage of the cabinet.<br />

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09-23-2006, 10:19 PM
Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>The cabinet portion looks good, but the photo looks like a modern reproduction, but as someone pointed out, the picture could have been enhanced. I've tinkered with trying to make my pictures and scan look better for an auction but gave up on it because even though it made the item look better, it didn't make the item look right. I'm not saying this item is a fake, just something to consider and I would prefer to ge this in my hands first before deciding to buy it.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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09-23-2006, 10:42 PM
Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>The player image is also whiter than normal. The image is an albumen photographic print,<br />which was the same photo print used on Old Judges, Four Base Hits, etc. Most albumen prints<br />are sepia/yellowed. However, if an 1800s albumen print was well stored over the years, the <br />images can be without the sepia tinge. While most Old Judges are sepia, you will once in<br />a while come across what that is black and white-- usually due to the cards being stored<br />unusually well. <br /><br />It is also noteworthy than 9+ out of 10 modern forgeries of Pre-War baseball cards are <br />intentionally well worn, cooked in the oven, dipped in the coffee, beat up edges. Even<br />the dim bulbs offering fake T206 Wagners on Yahoo! know better than to offer<br />a Gem Mint example.

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09-23-2006, 10:46 PM
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>The corners of the photo are rounded like many of these N566's.

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09-23-2006, 10:57 PM
Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>First off, for me in the evaluation of this type of inquiry is:<br />1. I look at the seller, and estimate whether he knows what he may have. Unless you are a bargain hunter, you want a knowledgable seller.<br />2. I inspect the bidders. If persons of experience feel the item is worth pursuit, then maybe it is.<br />This auction scores high in both regards. But it is still young, and bidding may be elementary.<br /><br />So, it is now time to check out the item. <br />a) Identify your specific concerns.<br />b) Lets discuss them.<br />c) seek further input.<br /><br />You have done this. Your further input is positive. Now what? Was this just an exercise for you? Have you considered those who have been tracking this auction with the hopes of winning the bid on it?<br /><br />

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09-24-2006, 01:08 AM
Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>As there have been complaints, no one is allowed to bid on this lot except for<br />Dan, Leon and Gil. Actually, I was going to add my opinion about the authenticity of<br />the cabinet in my previous post, but refrained as I figured someone might consider<br />it unfair as the lot is live.<br /><br />Leon will be watching the auction, and any unwarrented bidders will be flogged<br />at the next national.

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09-24-2006, 07:29 AM
Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I have a question about Newsboy cabinets. A few years ago I bought a few Newsboy cabinets with actresses on them. These cabinets had the name of the actress on the cabinet portion. Was this also true for the baseball players? I'd offer a scan of my actresses, but I've misplaced <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14> If I ever find them, I have a fantasy piece I am going to turn them into.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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09-24-2006, 07:38 AM
Posted By: <b>Al C.risafulli</b><p>That's what I thought was weird about this one, Jay. The player's name appears on the photo itself.<br /><br />I have on Newsboy - Monty Ward - and his name is printed below the picture in a reddish typeface. That's what made me think that maybe there was a problem with the one in the auction. But I don't have any others, and wanted to take some time to research before responding. I'll try and get a scan up later.<br /><br />-Al

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09-24-2006, 12:14 PM
Posted By: <b>Scott Gross</b><p>Not sure about the card (although I would lean to fake).... but the "Winnie Whuzzywhite" stuffed bear looks pretty legit ....

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09-24-2006, 12:24 PM
Posted By: <b>Clinton</b><p>Jim Clarke has a Burke Newsboy on his site if you want to compare.

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09-24-2006, 12:25 PM
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>The 2 Wards have his name printed on the cabinet, the others have the name within the photo

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09-24-2006, 12:26 PM
Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>When looking in person at a baseball tobacco cabinet card, like an Old Judge,<br />realize that one of the hardest thing to forge is the cardboard mount. The <br />mounts were factory cut, the old Judges with gold gilt edges and lettering, the<br />lettering possibly slightly embossed, perhaps with foxing on back. <br /><br />I would think that if you had in person a forged OJ cabinet, the mount itself<br />would look bad, perhaps with hand cut edges, etc.<br /><br />There are cases where a forger will take an original mount and paste a desirable<br />subject over the original image, but the fake image almost always has the tell-tale<br />color dot pattern.<br /><br />I don't know about the Newsboys, but many cabinet card edges from the Old Judge era<br />were bevel cut by the factory-- meaning the edge is cut at an angle. This is<br />a detail that can be seen with the right digital images. And, though much<br />could flake off, the OJ cabinets had gold gilded edges, and the gold is often<br />visible in a digital image.

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09-24-2006, 12:42 PM
Posted By: <b>Clinton Hromek</b><p>David, I agree but how hard would it be to soak the photo of an actress newsboy or other and glue a fake photo on it. I'm saying this hypothetically and not making any judgements on this or any other card.

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09-24-2006, 12:49 PM
Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>Without reading your post, I edited my post to add the bit about adding images<br />to original mounts. We were thinking the same thing.<br /><br /><i> </i> <i> </i><br /><br />As there were questions about the mount(the whiteness), one thing to do as a<br />collector is to have the seller send you a large head-one scan of the cabinet card. <br />If the card is evenly cut and shaped like others in the issue, that's a <br />good sign. As noted earlier, cabinet mounts were factory die cut. I don't know<br />about anyone else, but I don't have the ability to die-cut carboard mounts in <br />my basement. .... This doesn't have anything to do with potential mixing and <br />matching of images, but is relevant if someone's question is about the mount.<br /><br />Similarly, if someone is trying to sell you a National Game or Polo Grounds game<br />card, you might request a head on shot. It would be darned hard for a forger<br />to duplicate the round-edged factory cut of the originals, and it's easy to <br />compare the cut of the for sale card with others in the issue. <br /><br />Even if she specializes in stuffed toys, this seller, with high feedback and<br />reserve auction, does not fit the profile of a baseball card forger.

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09-24-2006, 01:03 PM
Posted By: <b>David Smith</b><p>If it helps any, here is a scan of my W H (Yale) Murphy Newboy cabinet.<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1159038175.JPG">

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09-24-2006, 02:17 PM
Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>The cards fake dont bid! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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09-24-2006, 04:51 PM
Posted By: <b>Mike</b><p>Thanks for posting, I never would have seen those stuffed bears she was selling!

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09-25-2006, 11:19 AM
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>I cannot speak to the baseball cards but the Newsboy boxing cards of Corbett and Jackson have the names on the mounts in various locations and formats. I've ID'd 13 unique formats of these boxing cards.