OT -- Information about Bra-Mac Photo Cards...

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Posted By: <b>Brad Green</b><p>I acquired the Grove card below just a few days ago. I have never seen these cards before. The person I bought it from called it a Bra-Mac Photo and said it was made in the 1960's. The other cards that the person had were all of 1930's players. The card measures 3 1/2 by 4 15/16 and is glossy with a blank back. Can anyone provide more information about these cards? My specific questions are:<br /><br />(1) Can anyone pinpoint the year that they were made?<br />(2) Who is Bra-Mac? (I would guess that Bra stands for Brace, but I don't know for sure.)<br /><br />Thanks for your help!<br /><br /><img src="http://www.bandkgreen.net/lefty_grove/1969_bra_mac_photos_net54.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>I beleive these were issued by Chicago photographer George Brace. Don't know who is Mac, but perhaps he was a partner in the deal. I don't recall when they were issued, but 1960s sounds reasonable. I don't beleive the year of issue is known for any of these types of Brace/Jim Rowe/other photos and photo postcards, and they may have been sold sold for more than one year. They were sold commercially, often via mail order, so are not unlike baseball cards.

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Larry Fritsch has been advertising hundreds of these in his last few catalogs. They appear to be photos with a nameplate glued to the bottom. That's all I know.

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Posted By: <b>Brad Green</b><p>I got this one from Frisch. I guess he had them in storage for 35 years and has decided to sell them.<br /><br />The front of the card is smooth. It looks like Brace (or whoever) placed the red name plate on the photograph, and then took a picture of the photograph and nameplate together. It seems like there would have been a better way in the 1960's to put a player's name on a picture...

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>That name tag on the "card" looks remarkably like the old Dymo plastic labels which were everywhere in the '60s.

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Drum</b><p>Can't help you any with this particular issue but I have been buying Rowe and Brace PCs for years to use to send away in the mail for autographs. I have not ordered in a couple of years but last time I did so I believe it was from Mary Brace or Jim Rowe.<br /><br />They have an extensive list that lists dufferent poses and teams for the players.

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Posted By: <b>Rich Klein</b><p>But if anyone has better information; I'd be happy to add to our player list and change the years in our Data Base.<br /><br />Rich

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>For his regular 8x10" photo, Brace usually stamped his name and Chicago address on back. Most of the 50s-60s subjects were shot by him, though many of the 1930s and earlier images were shot by George Burke and others. Burke had a distinct style, so his images are usually easy to identify. For those who don't know, Burke and Brace were business partners and Burke first hired Brace as an assistant when Brace was a kid.<br /><br />Burke stamped his name only on his vintage 1930s-40s photos, so these are easy to identify as his.

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Posted By: <b>Tim Newcomb</b><p>These were issued around 1973-75. When I was a teenager and just getting into older material, I bought a bunch of them (mostly Reds) because that was what I could afford. They were very cheap and I loved the sharp colorized photos. Obviously they are from the Burke-Brace archive of negatives.<br /><br />I believe I bought them directly from Brace, probably through an SCD ad. He had a ton of them and I wish I had bought more. I don't remember them being called Bra-Mac at that time.<br /><br />When I discovered ebay and returned to the hobby (1999) I was really surprised that so few of them were around. (Naturally Fritsch would have tons at high prices.) <br /><br />I doubt there is a complete checklist out there anywhere, but I know the number issued ran to several hundred. <br /><br />Anything else you want to know, feel free to email me and I'll try to help--<br /><br />Tim

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Posted By: <b>Stephen Mitchell</b><p>After a bit of searching, the February 1974 and March 1974 issues of SPORTS SCOOP reveal some early information on the Bra-Mac cards. George Brace ran full page advertisements in which he introduced "The First Full-Color Picture Set of the 1930's!" <br /><br />The first series of 8 cards (for $3) included Ed Brandt (1932 Braves), Bill Sweeney (1931 Red Sox), Earl Whitehill (1936 Senators), Fred Ostermueller (1934 Red Sox), Chuck Klein (1935 Cubs), Tommy Thevenow (1936 Reds), Clyde Shoun (1938 Cardinals) and Les Mallon (1934 Braves). Buyers of the first series were guaranteed the opportunity of purchasing the complete set at no increase in price. The complete set was said to have every team and every year in full color, from 1931 to 1939.<br /><br />Another full page ad with different text ran in the April 1974 SPORTS SCOOP. It offered series 2 through 5 (which were checklisted) as well as series one for $3.00 each.<br /><br />By the May '74 issue, Brace was offering the first 12 series (96 cards) of his proposed "288 picture set". In addition, OTHER sets and single cards were offered: 37 Baseball Hall of Famers in 3-1/2" X 5" or 5" X 7" size; 6 oldtime team photos (5" X 7") including 1889 Boston, 1889 Philadelphia, 1898 New York, 1898 Louisville, 1914 Braves and 1915 Red Sox; and 30 Groups cards in both postcard and 5" X 7" formats. The May issue contains the first mention of BRA-MAC. It continued to use George Brace and his Chicago address but with BRA-MAC added.<br /><br />Finally, I should add that I have seen a checklist of the 288 cards somewhere. But where? The guides I most frequently use (2003 Krause Standard Catalog and 2005 Beckett Almanac) do not list this set; rather, just a smaller Bra-Mac (or Bramac) set of 1933 National League All-Stars (in black & white). A guess would be that Krause (possibly Beckett) listed the 288 in an earlier edition.<br /><br />Even given the obvious inflation of our currency with $3 in 1974 being more like $12-15 today, I wish I had made more than a token purchase. Over the years I have seen just a few of these cards and have never laid eyes on Bra-Mac's Hall of Fame and team photos or ANY 5" X 7" format cards.

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Posted By: <b>Brad Green</b><p>I guess that pretty much nails them down to 1974, with the possibility that some of the later series could have been issued in 1975.<br /><br />Do the ads mention anything that gives you a hint as to who the "Mac" is in Bra-Mac?<br /><br />Thanks for the information, guys! You have been a big help!

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Posted By: <b>Dan K</b><p>As far as I know, The "Mac" in Bra-Mac is for McCarthy....

[Milt Herbert]

The 1974 Bra-Mac 1930s set consists of 288 colorized photo cards. The photos are George Brace photos and colorized by Bill MacAlister. Hence the name Bra-Mac. Many years ago I visited Bill MacAlister at his home near Chicago and he colorized some photos while I was visiting him. There were quite a few Bra-Mac sets that were produced and sold between 1974 and 1976. Examples are the 1930's Bra-Mac Colorized Bonus Photos (I own 8 of the 12). There was a 1976 Colorized Hall of Fame Set of 156 (which I own), a 1976 Colorized New York Yankee set of 75 (which I own), an Informal Group Colorized set of 144 (which I own). There were many other sets which I do not own or have partials of such as a 1940s set of 160, Brooklyn Dodgers set, a St. Louis Browns set, a St. Louis Cardinals set, a Philadelphia A's set, a Head & Action set of 12 from 1975 (I own 9 of the 12). By the way, I am still missing 24 of the 1930's set.

[jingram058]

There are over 200 Bra-Mac photos on eBay right now. The vast majority for sale by "fritschscardauctions" at 2 to 3 times what other sellers are asking. Looks like they are copies of photos with Dymo labels applied to the originals.

[Milt Herbert]

Yes, they are copies of George Brace black and white photos that will colorized by Bill MacAlister. I went to Bill's house and saw how he did the colorization. He had files cabinets of a large quantity of George Brace postcards. They were in a partnership together in doing the Bra-Mac sets.

[whiteymet]

Hi Gang:

What can anyone tell me about a Bra-Mac card in B&W?

See the Kelleher below side by side color/B&W same pose different cropping.

Are other B&W's with the Dymo labels known?