View Full Version : Off Topic-Boxing-John L Sullivan Police Gazette Gallery of Champion
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09-14-2006, 03:25 PM
Posted By: <b>T E</b><p>Measures about 13" by 10", in its original frame which measures about 16" by 19", title at top says "Gallery of Champion" (sic), caption at the bottom lists four fights, 1880 to 1882, "Champion Pugilist of the World," colors are much more vibrant than they appear as I was shooting through the glass. Should I remove backing and pull it out? Backing reads "Levy Brothers Company, Eighth Avenue Between 42 & 43 Streets, New York"<p>Any info or advice on item much appreciated!<br><Img src="http://voot.pair.com/hoofaway/johnlsullivan.jpg"><BR><br /><Img src="http://voot.pair.com/hoofaway/johnlsullivan2.jpg"><BR><br /><Img src="http://voot.pair.com/hoofaway/johnlsullivan3.jpg"><BR>
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09-14-2006, 03:29 PM
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>These things have been widely reprinted. You may want to do some serious research to determine whether what you have is original or a later reprint. I'd suggest taking it to a qualified conservator if the item is real before tackling who knows what in the mounting and framing.
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09-14-2006, 03:42 PM
Posted By: <b>Jim Clarke</b><p>Wow! That is awsome looking! Judging by the frame and the mount, it has to be real. Police gazettes are very over looked still in the hobby I think... JC
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09-14-2006, 03:56 PM
Posted By: <b>T E</b><p>I'd be astounded if this was a reprint. No pixels, and even through the glass when I look with a powerful magnifying glass, it shows all the proper signs of aging.<br /><br />I wish you could see the true colors, they are lovely. Vibrant.<br /><br />It looks to me that the backing has been removed at some point. But the litho is real, as far as my experience can tell me.
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09-14-2006, 04:47 PM
Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>If it's a reprint, it more than probably will have the standard multi-color dot (pixels) pattern , especially in the image of the boxer. <br /><br />Unlike an unopened wax pack of cards, this is something you can take apart and put back together if you want.
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09-14-2006, 05:21 PM
Posted By: <b>martindl</b><p><br /><br />I believe the Gallary of Champion(s) were not contemporary to the images shown. The series ran in the 40's and 50's and showed many atheletes from time gone by.
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09-14-2006, 05:30 PM
Posted By: <b>scott brockelman</b><p>the frame is old and real, but that doesnt mean the contents ar. as you can see it was originaly framed with a paper backing which is gone, could be wear and tear or could have been removed and something entirely different put it. I would think the piece needs to be examined to determine if it's period or repro.<br /><br />ADDENDUM, you can also see old nails(which can be taken out and reused and you can see new shiny nails. another sign that it may have been opened up already.<br /><br />Scott
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09-14-2006, 06:55 PM
Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>I picked one of these up at an antique store a few years ago in an old frame. When I took it apart it was a page from the magazine. It had a bathing beauty on the back of the boxing print. The magazines are from the 1940 and 1950's. I would take it apart and check it out.<br /><br />Joe<br><br>Ty Cobb, Spikes flying!
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09-15-2006, 03:13 AM
Posted By: <b>T E</b><p>I agree with all of the above, will let you know what I find. Another bad sign is the glass, which does not look 19th Century to me. But we shall see...
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09-15-2006, 10:41 AM
Posted By: <b>T E</b><p>Made to deceive-the glass was contemporary, once I got print out, which was glued onto 20th century cardboard, I could see the fine pixels.<br /><br />Can't complain, I made out like a bandit at the auction where I picked it up, but I got snookered on this one.<br /><br />I have done well with prints where backing has been tampered with in the past, frequently the person tampering does not know what they are looking at, not this time. <br /><br />But I did find a good use for the frame, this sign does date from early 20th Century-<br /><Img src="http://voot.pair.com/hoofaway/johnlsullivan4.jpg"><BR><br /><Img src="http://voot.pair.com/hoofaway/johnlsullivan5.jpg"><BR>
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09-15-2006, 12:34 PM
Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>Adam,<br /><br />I'm bowing and saying "I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy" <br /><br />Nice call at the begining of the thread. I'm sorry for TE's sake but I guess like the saying goes - you can't judge a book by it's cover. <br />