Issue with ebay purchase

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>Ok guys I would like to hear some opinions on this.<br /><br />I bought a raw card on june 4th and got is say 5 days later. It's lower grade but looked fine to me. <br />I was only able to send it in to SGC at the end of the month. I found out today that the card will be coming back trimmed.<br /><br />The seller has over 400 all positive feedback.<br /><br />So should I go to him and try to return the card or am I just out of luck on it?<br /><br />Should the seller be responsible or is it all up to the buyer?<br /><br />Discuss...<br /><br />Thansk in advance.<br /><br />James Gallo <br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Jason</b><p>as I sent in a Mantle a few months after buying it (what can I say, alot going on in my life), only to have it returned ungraded, labelled trimmed by PSA

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>I think it is perfectly fair to contact the seller, explain what happened, and see if he is willing to rectify the situation. I would start by giving him the benefit of the doubt.

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Posted By: <b>Bill Stone</b><p>It would be a lot easier to make the call if we could see the original listing --did the Seller make any representations about the card/or did he make any disclaimers in the listing? Knowing that could help give you a better opinion.

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>(1) I generally think buyers have no one but themselves to blame if they pay more than $20 for a vintage card on ebay that is not graded and it winds up trimmed. Duh! Why do you think it wasn't graded? Better question -- why do you think graded cards are worth more than raw cards -- because it factors out the risk of coming back trimmed. When you pay less for a raw card you assume the risk.<br /><br />but<br /><br />(2) If the seller makes a representation that the card is unaltered, then I think you have grounds to be seeking some sort of recompense. But still, I think axiom (1) applies.<br />

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Posted By: <b>Bill K</b><p>I wouldn't hesitate contacting the seller and letting him/her know what happened. I would think they should at least consider accepting it back. Worst case, they say no, and your stuck where you are now anyway. I do think it is the buyer's responsibility to send in the card(s) in a timely manner, but sometimes it can take 30 days just for SGC/PSA to get them back to you. Tough spot....good luck!<br /><br />Bill<br><br>My personal collection - <a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/fkm_bky/</a>

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>No don't give the crap that the card went cheap because everyone else knew it was trimmed. I have bought plenty off raw cards on ebay and most of my E-90's I bought raw, this is the first trimmed one.<br /><br />The seller didn't say anything about the card except that it was original and a nice card. There was also no return policy listed.<br /><br />I will probably contact the seller as soon as I get the card back in hand, probably Monday.<br /><br />Thanks for the responses.<br /><br />James Gallo<br /><br /><br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>I don't think he is saying that everyone else knew the card was trimmed. What he meant to say is that raw cards sell for less because there is a good chance something is wrong with the card, especially if it looks real nice in a scan. If you happen to get a raw card that is trimmed, that is part of the price of buying card. If the sellers claims that the card is unaltered and untrimmed, then that's a different story. Otherwise, always assume the worst, especially when the seller has a no return policy.<br /><br />I buy almost everything raw and my assumption is always that there is something wrong with the card that the seller isn't telling me and I bid accordingly. <br /><br />The difference in price between a 40 and 50 for almost any vintage issue is worth more than the cost of slabbing, so sellers claiming they don't want to go to the expense are either lazy or in most cases, trying to hide something.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>Growing old is not optional, growing up is.

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>Herein lies the problem with buying raw cards. You could come up a big winner, but you could also lose. It's the risk you take.<br /><br />If the seller "knew" the card was trimmed (i.e. received it back from a grading co. him/herself), it would be nice if they disclosed this, but I don't think there is any duty imposed upon them to do so.<br /><br />Caveat emptor.

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Posted By: <b>Brian H (misunderestimated)</b><p>Actually, I have virtually the same story to report. I bought an "Ex"ish looking T206 from someone with great feedback and the card looked fine (some corner wear which I found reassuring) so I bid on it and won it. I was happy but even with T206 prices as they are it was not a bargain.<br /><br />The card has come back trimmed (twice) so it is being slabbed "Authentic". <br /><br />Although to some degree I assumed the rist. I think that it is a bit too harsh to suggest that I "have only myself to blame" as T206Collector suggests. (his first comment makes me wonder if he works for a grading company but the second is perfectly fair).<br /><br /> Although I don't expect anything, I will let the seller know at this late date. Although my guess is that the seller like me was not aware that the card was trimmed.

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>This card was a F-G at best which is why I thought I got it on the cheaper end.<br /><br />I am generally buying lower grade cards so I am not as worried that a high grade card is altered.<br /><br />I don't expect any response, but lately, I have bought some 75 Topps stuff and EVERYTHING has been way over graded.<br /><br />As a result I am not buying any more of those off ebay.<br /><br />James Gallo<br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Sean</b><p>I always assume that at ungraded card has something wrong if it is a higher grade. The first thing I do before I bid is look for a return policy and ask the seller if the card comes back altered will you refund my money, and tell them it will take a month or so to find out (most return policies are 7 days) and save all the e-mails. If no refund or policy, there are plenty of other cards to bid on. <br /><br />Sean BH

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>I will weigh in with t206Collector, however,I think the ante should be upped. I believe that grading cards worth &lt;$50. is a waste of money. And trimming ain't that important, anyway.

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Posted By: <b>Bob</b><p>I just hope you don't try that with Lew Lipset or other dealers who have nothing but contempt for grading companies. If you buy one of their cards and it comes back trimmed and you ask them to please reimburse you because a grading company said it was trimmed, you'll be surprised at the answer and hopefully you don't blanche easily!