www.vintagecardprices.com is now live..... [Archive]

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06-20-2006, 12:50 PM

Posted By: BobbyI just wanted to announce with the permission and blessing from Leon that we are now live and ready. The site address is www.vintagecardprices.com Go to the site and see for yourself...and take your time and find out what it is all about. It is different then anything out there and we believe it will be a great addition to the card collector as well as dealers. You can sign up for free as a Limited Member and be able to use our search features and read and post comments on cards. Or you can be a paying VIP Member and have access to all of the card prices and be able to add your collection and watch it like a stock portfolio. We hope you like what we have worked on for the past 10 months and put 1000's of hours in time to build. We look forward to your participation and comments on how we can make this the ultimate web site for the card collecting community. Regards, Bobby

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06-20-2006, 01:04 PM

Posted By: Jimmy Z.Do you have a trial period available? I would like to try your services, but I (and many others) aren't going to fork over $10 a month not having a clue what the quality of your services actually are.

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06-20-2006, 01:10 PM

Posted By: BobbyHere is a deal any body who signs up as a Paying VIP member and checks it out and does not like what we offer I will delete the credit card information or refund your money. You have a 24 hour period to try out the site.

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06-20-2006, 01:12 PM

Posted By: Zach RiceWell i'm not sure how much i'll be using it, but the site looks very well made. I'll have fun navigating through it later tonight. Edited to add that I am having the same problem Peter is.

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06-20-2006, 01:23 PM

Posted By: Peter ThomasI tried to sign up for limited membership to post some comments on T204's and could not get my password accepted. Are there rules that are not stated? or am I missing something? Peter Thomas

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06-20-2006, 01:27 PM

Posted By: oldbbZach, no need for you to use it ... you are an authority on everything related to cards.

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06-20-2006, 01:27 PM

Posted By: Jimmy Z.Any chance of adding paypal as a payment option?

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06-20-2006, 01:31 PM

Posted By: BobbyWe are looking into the Limited member sign up problem and will have fixed shortly. Paypal is a possibily but only for a yearly membership as well we will accept checks for yearlies. The reason for credit cards is we can set up that you get billed the monthly fee charged to your card automatically. We can not do this through paypal.

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06-20-2006, 01:31 PM

Posted By: leonAnymore jabs and you better stick your full name by your post, per the board rules. This is not the first time I have noticed you in a controversial thread on the board. Please stick to the other threads and leave anonymous opinions out....Or better yet post your name and jab away <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> if that's what you want to do.....Nothing personal.....mod dude...

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06-20-2006, 01:31 PM

Posted By: jackgoodmanWouldn't take my password either. Are there password "requirements?"

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06-20-2006, 01:35 PM

Posted By: oldbbIf this works more than SmartCollector.com I will sign up due to the personalization features. Can you view your own cards if scanned to the site? Seems great. Open it up for a few days for all to use free of charge.

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06-20-2006, 02:37 PM

Posted By: BobbyThe limited Member issue has been fixed... And as stated earlier in this thread I will give a 24 hour money back gaurantee...if you do not like it then you will get a refund. But I know you will like what we are offering. As far as scans of your own cards if we don't have an image we would like you to send it to us and we will post it on that cards profile.

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06-20-2006, 04:31 PM

Posted By: martindl Nicely put together but i'm with oldbb, i think you'd attract more interest if you opened up the site for while so that people can get a sense of it and check out all the features. I'm an opt-in guy, not an opt-out, especially where my credit card is concerned.

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06-20-2006, 05:18 PM

Posted By: Cobby33Open it up for a week or so without requiring payment. Seems like a great site, but personally, I won't pay for it before seeing its capabilities (i.e. auction information).

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06-20-2006, 05:30 PM

Posted By: BobbyIs'nt my 24 hour gaurantee good enough...I have been posting on this board for almost 2 years now and my ebay ID is bresdo with over 804 feedback. Plus if you wanted to you can always dispute the charge with your credit card service if you choose not to want the service and I did not refund your money. I don't see the problem can't make it any easier then that for you to see the site. We are going to be at the National Booth #1394 you can visit us there and we can show you everything as well.

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06-20-2006, 05:32 PM

Posted By: Cobby33Well- you can make it easier, but have chosen not to. No biggie. Was merely making a suggestion to possibly broaden your user/client base.

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06-20-2006, 05:42 PM

Posted By: JoannBobby, I don't think anyone was saying your word wasn't good or doubting your integrity. For myself, I just don't think 24 hrs is long enough. Being busy makes it hard to dedicate enough time, all at one shot, and within that first 24 hours, to really see everything and decide. I'm not trying to speak for others b/c I don't know. But my impression was more that people thought if they had a little more time they could bump around the site awhile, come back the next day and check out some other things, or even have it long enough to stumble across some needs that they hadn't thought of the first day. I don't think anyone intended to question integrity or your honesty. Joann

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06-20-2006, 05:46 PM

Posted By: Cobby33What she said.

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06-20-2006, 05:51 PM

Posted By: Gilbert MainesIt seems reasonable to me to pay $10. for a one month look/see. But I have to agree that 24 hours really doesn't provide enough opportunity to judge the value, unless you are doing essentially nothing else other than assessing the package. However, I am certain that I will get $10. worth of value, given an entire month.

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06-20-2006, 06:02 PM

Posted By: BobbyJoann, Okay so there still is some doubt...here is the next deal. Since this board is a tight knit community Joann and you have been active on this board for awhile now or however wants to pick 5 board members that have signed up as Limited members and post them here with their VCP username and I will upgrade them to VIP status for a week. Then they all can report back to the VIN54 baord on the service we are providing. Bobby

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06-20-2006, 06:23 PM

Posted By: jackgoodmanI'll second what everyone has said about honesty and integrity, etc. And that is not in question. But because of your hesitancy to provide a somewhat more (but limited) time to review the capabilities of the site, I'm guessing you assured your investors that you would have "x" number of sign-ups immediately. And now you're worried. Otherwise, I just don't see a reason for hesitating to provide what seems to be a fairly straightforward and rational request. But as Dennis Miller says, "I could be wrong." Just my 2cents.

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06-20-2006, 06:34 PM

Posted By: BobbyJack there are no investors on this site just myself and my web guys so that is not the problem, no quotas to make for investor reasons. We have been working on building this site for almost a year now and thought it would be a good tool and service to the card collecting community.

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06-20-2006, 06:49 PM

Posted By: jackgoodmanBobby, Thanks for responding. It sounds like you've created a great tool for collectors and I'm among those that would be happy to be a user. But all people are asking for is a limited time "look-see" to see if it meets their needs. If 30 days is too much in your opinion, how about 10? I agree with the others that 24 hours is really not enough time to get a feel for it, if, like me, you have to work to support this habit. Don't take this the wrong way, I think everyone is in your corner.

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06-20-2006, 06:56 PM

Posted By: Russ BrightFirst off, I would like to say that the site looks beautiful. Your web designers should be very proud. Secondly, This is a great resource and I'm sure that it is a welcome addition to the trading community. I will join, eventually. Money is tight now, and I can't afford even 10 dollars to look around. everyone has a quarter and noone even wants 2 cents. We trust you, lots of people have, noone is trying to sabotage you or say anything bad. They're just suggestions, i would feel better if there was a longer trial period as well, but I'll wait until I have the money and if I'm sure then I'l spend the yearly fee. again, it's a welcome addition and I hope it's everything that you wanted and more! Congrats on your opening day! R

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06-20-2006, 07:01 PM

Posted By: BlackSoxFanBobby/Robert - I'm glad to see you guys up and running. I wish you guys the best of luck. We too will be at the National, so maybe we'll be able to put a little face-to-face together. While we are busy preparing for our own site launch, I am available to you should you ever want to talk or need direction. Cheers, Ted & the gang.

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06-20-2006, 07:13 PM

Posted By: Mike SJeesh!! Pay the $10 and try it out for 30 days. Then decide whether you wnat to go from month to month or do the whole year.

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06-20-2006, 07:15 PM

Posted By: BobbyI really appreeciate all the kind words and have talked to my tech people and to make the site free for everyone is a daunting task. So what I can do now is offer everyone that signs up as a VIP a one week gaurantee..so if you don't like it you will get a refund and 7 days should be long enough for you to take time out of your busy schedule to build your "Collections" on the site as well as check out all that we have to offer. So for everybody that signs up today and through this Friday will get that 7 day gaurantee.

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06-20-2006, 07:18 PM

Posted By: BobbyYou know to me it is pretty funny that you all want to have free looks and meanwhile people are paying $1000.00's for common T206's. But I jsut posted the deal and please take advantage of the offer.

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06-20-2006, 07:26 PM

Posted By: cmokingIf bought wisely, a $1000 common still has about $1000 in value. For the smart buyers, it could have more value than the $1000. With your service, it is a consumption. That $10 goes away to zero. It's like getting a $10 meal. It may be worth it, and it may be a great tasting meal, but the $10 is lost forever. That is why people are not so eager to pony up. Good luck with your service. I think it could be very useful. I don't mean for my comments above to seem otherwise. If I am less active in the hobby tracking prices myself, maybe I will sign up too.

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06-20-2006, 07:43 PM

Posted By: BobbyOne of the purposes of this site is so that you don't have to spend so much time of your own tracking prices we do it for you. You probable spend at least 10 hours of your time a month going through every auction and watching them to find the final value of the card. Is $10.00 a month worth free up all that time to spend on better things?

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06-20-2006, 07:54 PM

Posted By: BobbyEverybody that has already signed up as a limited member and want to upgrade to VIP to take advantage of the offer needs to do this: Sign in as your Limited member and then click on the "Upgrade to Vip" link. Otherwise if you try to sign up as a VIP and use a different username it won't allow you because the system does not allow duplicate email addresses.

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06-20-2006, 07:55 PM

Posted By: RickWell done, easy to navigate!

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06-20-2006, 07:56 PM

Posted By: T206Collector<<One of the purposes of this site is so that you don't have to spend so much time of your own tracking prices we do it for you.>> You make it sound like a chore, but that is part of the hobby. Indeed, if you are an active buyer of vintage baseball cards, a developed understanding of the market for vintage baseball cards is inevitable. If you are active enough to want to sign up for a yearly membership, you already likely have a pretty good handle on what the vintage baseball card market is. Couple that with a couple of free services like ebay and smartcollector.com, and you will have a hesitancy for people to want to purchase a service they can probably get mostly for free. I really do not want to discourage the effort, which appears quite impressive. But I would also recommend luring prospective customers with free service, get them used to using it and then start to charge them for the service once they've made it part of their collecting routine. It is a lot easier to convince someone they need something after they've been using it for free than by charging them $10 for the privilege.

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06-20-2006, 08:14 PM

Posted By: BobbyT206, Don't know how much easier I can make it for people by giving them a free week trail gaurantee. So far we have plenty of people signing up and some have posted about how nice or easy the site is to navigate.

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06-20-2006, 08:23 PM

Posted By: leonThe site is very nice and easy to use. Can you tell how much pricing history will be there? I know the value of a T206 Red Cobby.....but I need to know other things that didn't seem to be there yet and don't come up so often....I think you mentioned a certain time period for history before. Once you have the data will you keep it on file indefinitely so there can be better data?....regards

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06-20-2006, 08:26 PM

Posted By: Jimmy Z.It's not that we don't believe it's a great website. You are asking people to pay you $10 (and give you their CC number) to see what's behind a curtain. That's not going to work. I definitely am interested in your services if you truly have all of the data that you should, but I'm very hesitant to just give out my credit card number on blind faith. Please give us a trial period. And take paypal. =)

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06-20-2006, 08:28 PM

Posted By: BobbyLeon, We started collecting final price results for cards (1949 and earlier) in November 2005. After the site became functional along with our auction watching feature, we added the 50's cards back in May 2006. Since we are eBay partners, we track the auctions through our site via eBay auction number. Our system communicates with their server every 15 minutes. So when an auction ends we will have the results in our system within minutes. For major auction houses, we post the results within 24 hours of close of auction including the auction fee to the total of each card. We upload prices for cards that have been graded by only the three big grading companies, PSA, SGC and GAI. Reasons being that they have outstanding reputations and all other grading companies have serious doubts as to whether or not there are potential problems such as being trimmed, colored or otherwise doctored. In the case of PSA we do not accept cards with qualifiers. Our system will hold the 25 most recent prices realized for every grade of card for all 3 companies, meaning there will be a maximum of 1175 possible sales records for every card listed in our database. For example once there has been 25 sales for a T206 Ty Cobb red portrait card in SGC 30 grade, every new sale added thereafter results in the oldest sale being kicked off the system. By doing this we can keep an up-to-date record on the latest prices for every type of grade. On each cards profile page, there is a grid of each grade. Within each grade box, the values represent the latest sale price of that card in that grade. We only use real prices and do not set a price estimator formula so if there are no recorded sales, a "N/A" will show in that box. We acquire data by tracking eBay the same way a snipe program does and the results post to the site within 15 minutes of the end of the auction as long as it meets certain criteria, at least one bid and reserve is reached if there is one. Major auction houses prices are added to the system with in 24 hours of the auction ending and include the extra buyer percentage. We verify every listing by visually seeing the complete card in its holder for every auction. We do not have a search engine that looks for the information you are requesting because it would give false data because of so many misleading auction titles and mistakes by the listing seller and grading companies. We take into account people with low feedback and potential false sellers and do not include them in our data. Rules for acceptance are the cards have to be a single graded card lot sold in a auction format, reserves must be met and there has to be at least one bid. "Buy it Now" auctions are not ever included. This means we have staff checking every auction to verify that the information is correct that feeds the data to our system for you to use. The system we created to properly add the cards is amazing and at Card shows we will gladly show you how this works, it is virtually error free.

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06-20-2006, 08:34 PM

Posted By: andy beckerkudos bobby, i have not yet checked out the site....but i am quite sure it will be worth the fees. i do think you are making a smart decision regarding the "week peak". you have already made a smart "pr" move in listening to the board for their feedback. i'm sure every new business that is launched would like good feedback from the community that it is tageting. especially when the community is a passionate as ours. i will sign up tonight or tomorrow. i also have to add that by giving us a week look in, you are mirroring what most e companies do.....get us hooked and then we will wonder....how did we ever get along without it?? that's why i love the opening week of baseball, the cable company gives me the whole major league package for a week....for free. gosh i love that.

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06-20-2006, 08:47 PM

Posted By: BobbyJimmy Z., Email me bresdo@verizon.net and we will work something out. And anybody who is not secure in giving a credit card we can do something via PAYPAl. But understand this our site has a secure certificate and your CC info is safe to process.

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06-20-2006, 11:03 PM

Posted By: davidcyclebackI imagine a problem with giving free access is that, if there is value information on the site right now, people may just download the info they want then not pay for the service. Kind of like a movie watcher asking a DVD rental if he could borrow the movie for 2 hours before deciding whether or not to rent it. If the site is filled with essential data, I would understand if Bobby did not offer free trials.

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06-21-2006, 12:12 PM

Posted By: Robvintagecardprices.com may succeed, but it won't be from people & their mindset on this thread as: 1, People want something free, but won't subscribe at $10 month. 2. Ebay past history sales and smartcollector.com appar too provide much the same information. Also, the auction houses often have past results and further information can be gleaned from Search engines. 3. The hobbyist looks at past history not as work, but as entertainment. A PSA 6 vintage card can easily be undergraded or possibly undergraded, accounting a large variability on prices. A rare PSA 2 can look cool, or crappy, accounting for even larger price variation. 2 "Gotta have bidders could be going after the same card in 1 auction, but not other times. Well disguised shilling can skew numbers. These are only a few things off the top of my head that shows pricing vintage cards is an art, not something lends itself to a computer data collection or creating a "stock" portfolio. This website MAY be of value to the ebayer who finds a low priced vintage card(s) not properly described in the title, in the wrong category ect. That's a rather tall order with vintage cards. It may serve the dealer of cards produced post WWII. BTW, I may sign up for a week trial, hey, I like something free too.

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06-21-2006, 12:44 PM

Posted By: SuI usually just watch and read to learn about this hobby that I partake with my 12 year old son because his father is not here. We signed up for vintagecardprices.com on the free offer and wanted to report back to this site. Being a web designer myself I must say that this site is the most impressive Baseball card website I have ever seen. And my hat goes off to the people their for the work they put into the site. It is very easy to use and my son and I last night had a great time putting his Collection together on the site. We have mostly T206's and T205's and it let us create groups and in the collection we added what we paid for each card, and it gave us current values for each card as well as group values and entire collection values. I was most impressed it was the best time my son and I have had in a long time doing this together. I am going to stay on as a member because for the value of what the service provides is well worth the $10.00 per month. Matter of fact we are going to let this month run out and join as a year member to save a few extra dollars.

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06-21-2006, 12:52 PM

Posted By: nbrazil"This website MAY be of value to the ebayer who finds a low priced vintage card(s) not properly described in the title, in the wrong category ect. That's a rather tall order with vintage cards. It may serve the dealer of cards produced post WWII." The service is also good for novice collectors who do not have a feel of how the market is like. There is always the live and learn philosophy...but, when the live and learn costs you a lot of money (i.e. overpaying for a card), it's better to have as much information at your disposal beforehand. This service is great for individuals who are simply trying to gain an understanding of how prices are using real time data (as oppossed to, say, the SMR whose prices are notoriously understated for pre war cards).

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06-21-2006, 03:03 PM

Posted By: Keith O'LearyFor anyone that doesn't wanna spend a lot of time searching for what somethings worth.....the membership pays for itself. Very well done and easy to navigate.

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06-21-2006, 04:20 PM

Posted By: Jim LoewkeI can't believe some of you "vintage" collectors are whining (yes, whining!) about $10/month. What is that, a couple of starbucks coffee? Shipping and handling on 2 lots from ebay? You must be collecting really beat up vintage cards if you can't find $10/month more in your hobby wallet. As for safety, when you go out for dinner and pay using credit card, do you grill the minimum wage waiter about credit card security? Trying it for a month costs 10 bucks. If you don't like it, cancel it. Pretty difficult for some of you. The guys who put this program together are trying to run a business and have put a lot of hard work into it. Honestly, some of you people are a joke complaining about the cost. You would probably complain about the taxes if you won the lottery. These people are trying something new, difficult and time consuming; wonder how many of you whiners can say the same thing. I used to think this was such a professional group of collectors; how wrong I was. NO, I am not on their payroll. YES, I am signing up for the program.

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06-21-2006, 04:35 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthBobby, The site looks great. Nice job. I will be subscribing and will recommend it to everyone I do business with. Since you are an ebay partner is there a chance that you will be able to get pricing going back earlier than 11/05? Take care and good luck! Greg

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06-21-2006, 04:57 PM

Posted By: jay behrensWell excuse me for colelcting pre-WW2 cards and not have 6 figure salary to do it. Not everyone on this board is a lawyer or doctor pulling down a huge salary every year. To some of us, like myself, an extra $10/month is a huge change to an already tight budget. And rich people wonder why those with less get pissed off at them. Jay Growing old is not optional, growing up is.

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06-21-2006, 05:22 PM

Posted By: Jim LoewkeNo excuse for childish behavior like yours behrens. Never seen anyone so hell-bent on repeatedly embarassing themself like you do.

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06-21-2006, 05:23 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Jay, I'm not a Doctor or a Lawyer, and have no clue whether the site is worth the ten dollars a month, but what's wrong with offering a service for a price? Most of us belong to sniping serives who charge similiar amounts, so I don't think the price is out of line for those who need the information. You and I have been around the industry for quite sometime, and probably don't need that much help, but there are plenty of lurkers and contributors who would probably find a lot of value in the service. I'm not going to touch the Poor vs Rich argument, because it's a Vintage Card Board and I don't want to get off of the topic, but most of the wealthy people I know earned there money, they didn't take it from the poor. Be well Brian PS Jay I don't consider most people in this country poor, because I have been to the third world and have seen true poverty at it's worst. Spend a few days in Haiti and you'll think that government housing is the Hilton. I'm sorry for rambling, If you want the service buy it,if not keep on keeping on.

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06-21-2006, 05:32 PM

Posted By: Russ BrightWow, i do take that personally. I DO collect really beat up cards, because that's all I can afford. Sometimes i can pay more and sometimes I can't, my problem with recurring payments (even as little as 10 dollars) is that if it comes out of my account every month I may not have budgeted the money, and i might overdraw. Because i don't always have more than 10 dollars IN my account. Like I said in my last post, this thread is way more hostile than it should be. I'm trying to complete a T205 set on a shoestring budget, there have been a couple cards I got for close to 100 dollars, but most of the set i'm picking up for around 10 a card. low quality, and i love them... I just read that the only cards they're keeping prices on (at vintageprices.com) are PSA, Sgc and Gai. That really does no good for me, i try to collect raw cards, and if I DO find the money for a graded card, it's an AUT or a 1. i'll get around to it eventually, the site still looks awesome, but it's just not practical for me right now...

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06-21-2006, 05:53 PM

Posted By: Brian E.I decided to give it at try and really enjoy it thus far. Time will tell if I decide if $10 a month is worth it or not but it does beat smartcollector hands down! Brian E. edited to add: I can only imagine how much effort Bresdo put into this and if I only stick with it for one month spending $10, at least I partially rewarded him for his effort!

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06-21-2006, 06:28 PM

Posted By: andy beckerwhether or not people have an extra $10 is a personal issue. no reason to blast someone for not having the dispossable income. as with most things in life, it's a personal choice. and the fact that robert has spent his time and energy (and probably a bit of his own money too) is worth something.....at least to him. if you don't want the service, then don't subscribe. if you do want the service and do not want to pay for it, then you have personal issues.....

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06-21-2006, 06:53 PM

Posted By: jay behrensBrian, I'm not saying he shouldn't be able to charge $10 or whatever he wants to for the site. He should be comnpentasted for his efforts. My beef is with Jim and his attitude. Personally, I could care less what he thinks of me. He's another pompous, santimonious ass that I don't need as a friend. Jay Growing old is not optional, growing up is.

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06-21-2006, 07:04 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanI just joined; the site is well done and easy to navigate. It's worth 10 bucks a month. Let's try not to turn this thread into class warfare, ok?

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06-21-2006, 07:11 PM

Posted By: Brian E.Jay, my response was in no way directed at you. You are completely entitled to your opinioned. Like you, I am not on six figure income (in fact I'm an unemployed grad student) but considering the money I've spent on purchases and sales in the last 30 days and next 30 days, the $10 is well spent. Additionally, Bresdo helped me to acquire a Cobb Carolina Brights so I thought I'd return the favor. Having said that, I do not know if it benefits me or not to continually pay $10 a month, I'll decide later.

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06-21-2006, 07:14 PM

Posted By: Matt E.to properly yell at each other but I don't think anyone needs to be "comnpentasted". Reminds me of that funny old "badcock" thread. Russ, Send me your address again. I have some T205's. Pay me when you can.

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06-21-2006, 08:03 PM

Posted By: BobbyI see a lot of bickering going back and forth which is not needed. The bottom line is if you have a lot of time to watch the auctions and keep your own databases you won't need our service. And we only track graded cards because there is no way we can accuratly post values of raw cards, and if you only buy raw then again you don't need this service. The other feature "My Collection" can't be duplicated by yourself. It automatically updates evertime there is a sale of a card in your collection. We have had a lot of sign ups and every new member has made positve comments about the service and functionality of the site. Have yet to get a single negative response. One member told us we just saved him a few hundred dollars because he was about to sell a T3 and he found out it's value in our database, so he just paid for his service for the next 3 years. But besides the services we offer we want you to make posts on cards and share your experience and knowledge with those that are just beginning. We have created a complete site that has more functions then you realize. With internal emails, comment posting...lots to offer for both the limited member and VIP member.

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06-21-2006, 08:11 PM

Posted By: Steve M.This guy, and I don't know him, has put 1,000's of hours into a project that will likely be a benefit to most of us. Yet some of you are unwilling to reward his efforts. For some it's a matter of the money, for some it's just looking for a free ride. I can appreciate those for whom $10 makes a difference. For that reason I am willing to pay for the first month for the first five guys (or gals) who email me with their paypal address. I will send their paypal accounts the $10 and then they can sign up. email me at jacklitsch@comcast.net In the reference state "I need $10.00."

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06-21-2006, 09:58 PM

Posted By: jay behrensSteve, I edited out that Jim should do something like you offered. Major kudos to you and your offer. I'll pass on it because I buy cards so infrequently that I'd rather see someone else that can actually make use of the service get the use. Brian E, my comments was directed towards Brian W, sorry about the confusion. Brian W, I've been to 41 different countries, I know what true poverty is. I'm poor by US standards, but only if you measure wealth by money. Jay Growing old is not optional, growing up is.

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06-21-2006, 10:14 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Jay, 41 countries? Peace corp? Pilot? Roadie? No, I've got it Sudanese baseball card hunter. Be well Brian PS I agree "Wealth" means something different to everyone, and I guess rich and poor do as well in context. A rich sick man is probaly not as fortunate as a happy healthy broke guy living on the beach selling junk to tourist....

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06-21-2006, 10:44 PM

Posted By: jay behrensEx-Navy and also used to work for airline, so I got to do a lot of traveling. Jay Growing old is not optional, growing up is.

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06-22-2006, 06:04 AM

Posted By: Keith O'LearyI know some people like to keep their own sales records and love doing it, I don't. It takes a lot of time and I don't have it. For 10 bucks a month, this site consolidates it all for me with easy access anytime. As time goes on and more sales history is added, it can only get better. I haven't even looked at the My Collection feature yet...personally, its all ready worth it to me. And no I don't know Bobby. Edited to add....I had a card sell on ebay last night and the resulting auction price realized showed up this morning.

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06-22-2006, 04:05 PM

Posted By: Cobby33I agree with Andy. Whether or not somebody wants to spend $10 on a souvenir for their kid at a ballgame or on a monthly fee for an Internet site is their business. But these $10's add up, so unless anyone is willing to pay everyone's $10 monthly fee for them, keep your finances and judgments of others' to yourself.

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06-23-2006, 09:38 PM

Posted By: JerryBobby... do you encourage or object to the use of your data and website on eBay listings such as this? <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1941-Play-Ball-71-Joe-DiMaggio-SGC-50_W0QQitemZ330000511905QQcategoryZ133065QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1941-Play-Ball-71-Joe-DiMaggio-SGC-50_W0QQitemZ330000511905QQcategoryZ133065QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem</a> Edited to say... Just realized that you are the seller. Will you allow others to do the same in their listings?

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06-23-2006, 11:05 PM

Posted By: BobbyIt is my card that I am selling and I am doing it to get exposure for the site and reach customers that do not participate in the VIN54 board. And the answer to your question is if someone that is selling a card in an action thay can state that the card is worth X amount of dollars on VCP. Can they do post ups like I did that would be a "NO" it would be in violation of their user agreement with VCP. Right now we just started everything has been great the site is functioning wonderfully, the members have all complimented on the ease of use and what a well made site. We just want to get the name out there and get people in this community that we have created. There is so much details in this site I am still learning them.

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06-24-2006, 06:37 PM

Posted By: JerryThe item was relisted, here's the new link... <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1941-Play-Ball-71-Joe-DiMaggio-SGC-50_W0QQitemZ230001183983QQihZ013QQcategoryZ133065Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1941-Play-Ball-71-Joe-DiMaggio-SGC-50_W0QQitemZ230001183983QQihZ013QQcategoryZ133065Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a>

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06-24-2006, 07:47 PM

Posted By: BobbyThe item wa pulled by eBay because we had a link from the banner to VCP and it is against the rules. They called and said everything was fine as long as there was no link, so it is back up.

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06-25-2006, 04:33 AM

Posted By: ChuckThat's an excellent eBay layout but FWIW, I see two problems with it: 1. You show "Latest Auction Prices" which could be stale before the auction closes 2. You show an image (in the Profile) of a card you aren't selling that could be confusing.

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06-25-2006, 06:49 AM

Posted By: Donald JohnsonMy only comment is that by indicating what the last several "sold" prices were, to some buyers you set an artificial ceiling. Bargain hunters who might have bid higher will not exceed these amounts as they might have if they did not have this visibility. So - from a seller's perspective, this information is a two-edged sword.

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06-25-2006, 09:18 AM

Posted By: BobbyGentleman, I listed the items this way not as a selling tool but looking at it as an advertisement to my website. The more people that view it will see some of the VIP features that we offer and hopefully will come to the site themselves. And so far it is working we have gotten a number of sign ups due to these listing. I do not expect the cards to sell for more then what was listed and am chalking it up to an advertisement costs. Thought it was a good idea to get our name out there to the masses not every collector knows about the vin54 board.

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06-30-2006, 01:34 PM

Posted By: BobbyBoard members, I just wanted to give you an idea about the capabilities of this site and what it does for all of those people out there who like to track there own. As of now we have 37,101 cards listed in our database. There are 47 possible grades for the big 3 companies. So do the math 37,101 X 47=1,743,747 pages of information at your disposal and growing. And then you can multiply this by 25 because that is how many auctions we hold of each card per grade. You can search ebay but they only hold results for 90 days as well as the other services. And then you have to filter through the results to find out what you need if it is even there to start. Or system gives you a link to the ebay auction for you to see yoursel if it is still active.

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06-30-2006, 05:08 PM

Posted By: edacraSounds great, but would never subscribe to online services without a truly free trial period. I think you've done a good job explaining what thesite can do, and the reviews sound good... but if you really believe in your product and trust it as much as you say, then you might want to think about it. Sorry, I know you've heard this before.

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06-30-2006, 06:08 PM

Posted By: CCespedesI think that trial periods do make sense for some sites, like dating sites maybe. But even if you do get a trial with most sites, they don't give you access to all of their content until you shell out some dough. With this site, I understand why a free trial of ALL VIP features is not an option because some people would use it to get the values of their cards during that period and would not bother to pay because they've already got what they need. There are tons of sites that dont offer trial periods and it's because their data is just too valuable, and there are some cheapskates that would simply keep signing up for free trials under different names for the reason stated above. There has been tons of work put into the site by the looks of it and I dont blame them for not wanting to allow free trials. If you really care to find the value of your cards, pay the $10 even if it's only for a month, get what you need and cancel. You never know, maybe you'll find that you want to keep the service.

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06-30-2006, 07:19 PM

Posted By: edacraThe site sounds really usefull or we wouldn't be asking for trials. It's just a matter of business, and the loss you take in people abusing the trials you hope to make up in solid customers who value the site. The Hollywood Creative directory would be a good business model. Film industry people subscribe so they have access to an ever changing database...but they give a trial. it shows they believe in their site, and are willing to risk a trial. Most of the arguments against the trials could also double for reasons not to subscribe (If I could get everything I needed out of it in a trial period, why would I want to subscribe anyway then!?)... But I really wasn't trying to open up this debate again. I was just being honest in stating I wish there was a trial.

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06-30-2006, 08:36 PM

Posted By: Gilbert MainesI have to agree with edacra that subscribing to an annual service without a trial evaluation period is probably not wise. But how long of a trial is needed? Well you do not really know that until you see what features are available and determine which of those you are interested in. This is probably why vintagecardprices.com offers a monthly trial evaluation period. It seems reasonable that a trial of this type of service should be paid for by the potential subscriber. And $10./mo. appears reasonable to me.

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06-30-2006, 08:47 PM

Posted By: Griffin'sI just signed on and certainly feel is is worth $9.99 a month. Looks like a lot of content, and found realized prices on most everything I spot checked.

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07-02-2006, 11:03 AM

Posted By: Frank EvanovI just signed up mainly based on Anthony's recommendation. Very pleased... on the format and content. Easy to use. Great pictures. Not pleased....you have to agree to a $9.99 per month recurring charge on your CC. That means unless you stop it, the fee is automatically billed to your card every month. I tend to forget about such stuff and would have preferred to re-up monthly. Second, the first search I did was for a 1926 SGC 88 SCA Ruth from the May Sotheby-SCP auction. The card was not there! I know there are growing pains with a new site, but if I pay for something, I expect it to be accurate. Frank