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07-01-2006, 11:18 AM

Posted By: Old Judge Collectorbefore any of you say hes going to spam this topic im nnot im only goona post 1 2 3 maybe 4 but most likely not okay What is the highest price you saw or heard of thats baseball related mine is the 2 billion dollar wagner whats your and again im not doing this becasue of money i just want to have a good time and have so me fun on this topic even if it will be pretty much impoosible WHO CARES if your most likely your never gonna get it that just have some fun guys

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07-01-2006, 11:23 AM

Posted By: T EngleThere was a 2 billion dollar Wagner?

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07-01-2006, 11:24 AM

Posted By: John Swhy?

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07-01-2006, 11:24 AM

Posted By: davidcyclebackThe Mark McGwire 70 home run ball originally sold for about $3 million. I would guess that's the record for a piece of baseball memorabilia. The ball is not worth near that much today, and many thought the price was high at the time.

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07-01-2006, 11:25 AM

Posted By: Mike (18colt). . . the New York Yankees franchise (and stadium). That would have to be the "highest price baseball related". Farther down the list would be a toss-up between the Devil Rays and A-Rod. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Just adding some humor. But, as another poster in another thread mentioned, perhaps S-L-O-W-I-N-G down and using correct punctuation, grammar, and spelling (as best as you can, though I was a decent speller at age 11) so that we all understand what you want to discuss would be helpful. Good luck finding your answer to this one. And seriously, use the resources to investigate some of these answers before you post. Mike (18colt)

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07-01-2006, 11:34 AM

Posted By: Old Judge Collectorwell according to t206.net a 1909 T206 Honus Wagner PSA 10 Broad Leaf Series 460 the estimated price was 2,812,500,000 if ever one exist that would most likely be the highest priced unless there a baseball related thing thats over 2 billion dollars which i highly doubt but you can never know anybody know any

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07-01-2006, 11:35 AM

Posted By: Josh K.There has never been a wagner sold for 2 billion dollars. As for the T206 museum's pricing, that is an estimator only and it does not consider impossibilities - for example, the wagner was not made with a broadleaf back, yet the estimator doesnt account for that fact. I think its also safe to assume that if one existed, no one in their right mind would pay 2 billion for a piece of cardboard - I mean that type of money would even hurt Bill Gates' pocket book.

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07-01-2006, 11:40 AM

Posted By: barrysloateSean- As long as we are all having fun, where did you hear about a 2 billion dollar Wagner? Are you aware just how much 2 billion dollars is? Do you understand that what your read about the Broadleaf Wagner doesn't actually exist? It's called a theoretical price, not a real one.

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07-01-2006, 11:43 AM

Posted By: davidcyclebackI don't think Sean was trying to be literal with price. Though to be technical, Sean asked "what is the highest price you've ever heard that's baseball related." The $2 billion he just said is the highest baseball related price I've ever heard (rather, read)-- so my answer is $2 billion too.

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07-01-2006, 11:46 AM

Posted By: Josh K.oh, ok. Then mine would be the 3 billion dollars that barry bonds just offered me to develop a new undetectable designer steriod that would jump start his stalled chase of Aaron's HR record.

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07-01-2006, 11:48 AM

Posted By: barrysloateThen what exactly is Sean doing? All he asks is the same tired question of what's worth the most, and something that doesn't exist is worth nothing.

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07-01-2006, 11:50 AM

Posted By: Richard2 Billion Dollars . . . <img src="http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i52/rman444/dr.jpg">

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07-01-2006, 11:56 AM

Posted By: JoannIf we are in the realm of the hypothetical, if any card of Ruth before the 1914 Baltimore Newsboys were to come to light, I imagine that one would really bring high numbers. Or anything confirmed game-used from his St. Mary's Industrial days. Or his first home run ball. That's one to try to imagine. On the other hand, a few years ago a ball that was presented as the ball used in the first baseball game was sold in a Mastro auction. It had fairly decent provenance, including letters from both Alexander Joy Cartwright and his estate, that suggested it was used in the very first game in June 1946. I watched that auction like a hawk, thinking that would surely go for a gazillion dollars. It ended up at something like $65,000 or so, which surprises me even to this day. Not sure if people didn't buy the tie-in to the first game, or if it just wasn't that interesting, but I thought it would go higher. So .. my ability to guess at prices that are borderline hypo is, obviously, not very good. Joann

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07-01-2006, 11:59 AM

Posted By: Lee BehrensSean, How often to do you get spanked for not listening to your parents? You have learned nothing from the advice we have given you, and continue to ask the same question. Sit back and read this board you will get your answers by reading past threads. Lee

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07-01-2006, 11:59 AM

Posted By: barrysloatePeople didn't buy the tie-in. The provenance was less than convincing (and let's leave it at that).

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07-01-2006, 12:00 PM

Posted By: davidcyclebackIn general, I beleive the most expensive baseball items are significant even Babe Ruth game used bats and uniforms. I beleive a significant Ruth game used item has already sold more than the PSA8 T206 Honus Wagner. Interestingly, a Joe Jackson game used bat twice sold for less than the PSA8 Wagner. The bat had impecable documented provenance, as it was described in Jackson's signed will, with the bat being willed to his wife. Futher, there were published interviews with a retired Jackson in which he talks about, and I beleive is pictured with, the bat ... You can argue about this or that, but I would think owning Joe Jackson's Black Betsy would be the ultimate piece of baseball memorabilia that exists. Another case of great provenance, was a Leland's Babe Ruth game bat. The bat was won in a contest way back by a kid, who as an eldery man was the consignor! Included were vintage newspaper articles describing the contest and naming the winner (the consignor). Best of all, the auction incuded the original letter from Babe Ruth to the kid congratulating him on a Babe Ruth game used bat.

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07-01-2006, 12:14 PM

Posted By: George H. CounterIMHO, this is the start (we haven't seen the worst yet) of a chatboard hijack by Sean. He had two days or so to think about his next question... After a ton of recommendations by some naive board regulars (please, don't take it the wrong way), his next post is again about billions and gazillions of dollars! He is clearly not interested in learning about baseball cards, history or anything else. He's just amazed at the money cards can bring sometimes. I don't know if anyone here gave him the link to the Collectors Universe chatboard, but I think that's a better place for him and his absurd questions. Do you think I would let my kids (which are pretty much like Sean's age) go and use (trash) a serious chatboard of any topic without proper counseling? I'm sure Leon will do what he thinks is best for the board, so I'm not overly concerned right now...but...

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07-01-2006, 12:21 PM

Posted By: Old Judge Collectorfine fine fine ill make a different thread that doenst concern about money there your happy why cant a 11 year old kid have some fun sometimes thats what akid is suppose to do i guess ill make a different ones

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07-01-2006, 12:24 PM

Posted By: Old Judge Collectorif im not clerarly interested in baseball cards why do you think i would want to know what the first baseball card ever or 1 baseball photo or favorite T206 Card or top 10 cards you want huh there only been 2 threads that has to do with money this one and most valuable set compare that too 4 threads that doesnt have to do with money

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07-01-2006, 12:26 PM

Posted By: jackgoodmanHow bout nobody respond. (starting now)

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07-01-2006, 12:40 PM

Posted By: Old Judge Collectorsincee pretty much everybody hates me now and leon is yelling at me who wants me to leave

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07-01-2006, 12:41 PM

Posted By: Anonymousyou might find this forum a better fit for your questions & threads: <a href="http://forums.collectors.com/categories.cfm?catid=11&zb=4457021" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://forums.collectors.com/categories.cfm?catid=11&zb=4457021</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://forums.collectors.com/categories.cfm?catid=11&zb=4457021</a</a>>

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07-01-2006, 12:41 PM

Posted By: Old Judge Collectorlooks horrible

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07-01-2006, 12:43 PM

Posted By: Martin NealI may be wrong but even an eleven year old can spell and use some punctuation marks. To me, almost every query that he has made is one made as if he were trying to use bad grammer on purpose. Possibly, he is a board member yanking our chains, or at worst, someone who stumbled onto this site and is having a laugh.

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07-01-2006, 12:44 PM

Posted By: Gilbert MainesI do not see this board being "trashed" by the thoughts of Sean. If you do not care to participate in this thread, the one about EPDG cards or any other, then please don't. But to participate negatively and to suggest corporal punishment appears inappropriate to me. To this point I have not participated in this thread because I find the premise of no value. But in this regard, IMHO, we may not be setting the behavioral example which we should.

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07-01-2006, 12:46 PM

Posted By: Josh K.Sean, Nobody hates you. But you really need to read first and ask questions later. The more you can learn about the cards the better. I agree its fun to have a post every now and then about card prices etc. But I think this board tries to remain a bit more focused on legitimate topics most of the time (though we arent always successful).

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07-01-2006, 12:46 PM

Posted By: Old Judge Collectorif i called leon and he said i was a 11 year old your pretty much saying you dont beleive in leon which is pretty bad since hes the forum owner

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07-01-2006, 12:50 PM

Posted By: Josh K.I dont think anyone is questioning whether you are 11 or not. Everybody does it to some extent, but your posts are hard to read b/c you do not use punctuation or check your spelling etc. Slow down and read your posts before you hit submit. Pretend we are your English teacher.

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07-01-2006, 12:50 PM

Posted By: AnonymousI believe in Leon.

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07-01-2006, 12:51 PM

Posted By: barrysloateSean- I believe you are 11 but I also think you can write much more clearly and accurately than you do and since you are interacting with adults why don't you give it a try. I think you may spend too much time with those instant text messages or whatever they are called. Anyone on this board would be willing to answer your questions but I think you could come up with more interesting ones.

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07-01-2006, 12:56 PM

Posted By: George H. Counter"behavioral example"? "corporal punishment"? Come on man! This is, plain and simple, a kid who doesn't want to stick by the rules. I'm here to read and talk about baseball cards, not to set a moral example for an unknown and stranger kid that clearly doesn't want to take any advice. His parents must give a sh_t about his internet activity by letting him overuse a serious and valuable internet research website.

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07-01-2006, 12:57 PM

Posted By: JoannSigh. I swore I wouldn't, but here goes. Sean, From your post today I really understand what you are doing. Leon told you to wait until Friday and you did. Then in your first post in this thread you said you are just trying to have fun, and that we should want to have fun too. I get it. You are right - you are just trying to have fun. But as someone pointed out earlier, this is an adult area. We don't have fun in the same way you do, and don't find it fun to play "Hey how about a billion-trillion-zillion dollar card for this guy???". There is nothing wrong with you finding that fun, and at 11 years old I probably would have too. But we aren't kids here and we can't, or don't want to, have fun that way. You are doing something like running around a room bothering the adults every two seconds to go outside and play tag or marbles (or whatever) with you. Maybe once in awhile someone will go for a minute and maybe even have fun. But when you don't stop, and keep pestering adults to try to do something with you that you find fun but they don't, they will eventually tell you to leave the room. It's not that you can't have fun, it's just that you have picked the wrong place to try to have it, and the wrong people. Is there such a thing as a baseball card forum more for kids your age? You want to have fun? Go to a chatboard where they are talking about $50 Barry Bonds cards and tell them what a PSA 4 Old Judge goes for. Joann

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07-01-2006, 12:57 PM

Posted By: T206Collector...I do not question your age. But I do strongly question the quality of your education. Sean, this is the best advice you have ever received: turn off your computer, open up a book and don't stop reading until you take your PSATs in about two years. Unless you are already independently wealthy, reading books -- starting right now -- is one of the best avenues you could take to being able to regularly purchase vintage baseball cards one day.

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07-01-2006, 01:04 PM

Posted By: barrysloateGood advice from all and maybe Sean is just a little nervous. He seems to be typing faster than his brain can organize his thoughts. Do kids read books anymore? Maybe Harry Potter. Sean- why don't you take a typing break and read some of the more interesting threads on this board. There is a lifetime of information here if you take the time to read it.

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07-01-2006, 01:05 PM

Posted By: Martin Neal I hope you are eleven and enjoy a lifetime of collecting vintage cards. If you are eleven, I also applaud your tenacity (the ability to hang in there when the going gets tough), and your propensity (your natural desire to do something) to acquire knowledge. Take a moment and look at all the advice offered here and try to enjoy this forum. I watched (lurked) this forum for quite a while before I offered anything of my own to it. Hmmm... Leon... ahhhh.... I believe in you.

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07-01-2006, 01:08 PM

Posted By: jackgoodmanHow bout nobody respond. (starting now)

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07-01-2006, 01:23 PM

Posted By: John SSean, I began collecting vintage around the age of ten (1980). I remember not being taken too seriously when I asked some of the big boys questions about their cards at shows. It frustrated me because I really wanted to learn. I was not afforded the opportunities that you have available to educate yourself via the internet and other publications that exist today. So if you are truly sincere about your interest in vintage materials, spend time reading our posts and go to oldcardboard.com which has a tremendous amount of information regarding the various sets, when they were released, and least importantly the value of the cards. Also, go to the library and check out books on Ty Cobb, John McGraw, Hal Chase, and old baseball in general to gain knowledge about the history of the game and the players. And please take the time to craft your posts in a concise and grammatically correct manner. No one will ever take you seriously on this board or anywhere else in the adult world using that lazy style of prose that has become all too common in the era of text-messaging.

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07-01-2006, 01:32 PM

Posted By: Josh K.Sean, One more suggestion. Ask you Dad to read some of these posts and give you his opinion. Better yet, ask your Dad to start collecting vintage cards with you. I know that there are other collectors on this board, both young and old, who found that collecting with their Dads or sons have provided them with great memories and tons of quality time doing something together.

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07-01-2006, 01:34 PM

Posted By: barrysloateIt's a variation of the proverbial father and son catch. Good advice, Josh. See Sean, aren't we adults ever so smart?

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07-01-2006, 01:40 PM

Posted By: leonI am just watching.... Sean is 11 and does need to brush up on the way he writes. My 9 yr old daughter, who is very smart I might add, can write far more grammatically correct than what is being shown here. My guess is everything folks have said is probably true. I will not let this become worse than it is.... Sean - you really should check out some of the other "new card" chat boards. They are more in line with your style. IF you want to stick around here you need to behave. We are a bunch of adults (although sometimes we act a little childish, myself included) so you need to be on your best behavior and listen to these good folks....really listen....

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07-01-2006, 02:36 PM

Posted By: Gilbert MainesSean: I have a question which has been troubling me. Perhaps you bring the fresh perspective which I am lacking. I would like for you to tell me your thoughts about the following. Baseball cards come in various materials, shapes and sizes. Sometimes they vary so much that I am not sure that they are all cards. For example: Wheaties "cards" sometimes are a baseball player's picture on the entire back of a full size cereal box. Is that too big to be a baseball card? Another example is Mello-Mints cards are baseball players on real flimsy paper. These are not rigid - can they be considered cards? Other "cards" were really postcards with a player on the back. Can postcards be considered as baseball cards? There is more, but lets start with these.

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07-01-2006, 02:40 PM

Posted By: CatSean: You should be spending your time learning to PLAY the game. Collecting is fun but a very sedentary activity...bug your Dad to hit you grounders or throw a little BP. I've enjoyed my time collecting but nothing like playing. At 43 years of age, I still have my son hit me grounders (only after we work on everything he needs to work on).

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07-01-2006, 03:14 PM

Posted By: joe brennanI think Joann sums it up perfectly. I need add nothing further. Well ok, I will anyway. I think Sean is a few years away from contributing here. Joe A scared man can't gamble and a jealous man can't work.

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07-01-2006, 04:11 PM

Posted By: Josh AdamsNothing like beating a dead horse, eh E? Go Go White Sox 2005 World Series Champions!

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07-01-2006, 04:15 PM

Posted By: AnonymousPlease put your name down so we know who you are....as per the board rules. No problem stating your oninion, as you have, but you must put your name beside it......thanks (if you don't I will have to delete your remarks, nothing personal)...

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07-01-2006, 04:30 PM

Posted By: H MurphyThe Boston Red Sox, 2004 World Series Champions. PRICELESS!!!!!!!

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07-01-2006, 04:40 PM

Posted By: anthonysean needs to read more... Sean, you need to take about a month to sit back think of all your questions, then do a search for past posted threads and find your info...whatever you cant find, then bring it to the board if its old baseball card related...occassionally, someone will re-post the same thread without looking back, but that may be due to some new info that was found, heard, read, did, etc...and if not, it may be just a topic that so many of us like to discuss, we just dont want to read through 226+ responses...

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07-01-2006, 04:47 PM

Posted By: K. BrooksI'm betting that "edacra" is Mr. Gil Maines Same racial issues as well as same IP Addresses... Next time you need to use some kind of masking software my friend.

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07-01-2006, 05:13 PM

Posted By: AnonymousFor the record edacra and Gil don't have the same ip address, at least not on Net54....and in a while I will delete several posts because when you erase one then the others look unfounded....this is getting tiresome the last few days.....maybe I should just delete posts when they don't adhere to the rules, without warning? Now about highest price? I don't know.... 1 trillion....

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07-01-2006, 05:32 PM

Posted By: Gilbert MainesK. Brooks: I think that you offered a good guess, all things considered. I have no idea about your mix up on IP addresses though, but I (guess I) could have used different computers. However, your guess is wrong. edacra is a different individual. Heck, he could be Ed Acra. Edited to add: I do not view myself as having any ethnicity issues. Not because I like everyone equally; I don't. Solely because I do not indict an entire group due to the behavior of a few.

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07-01-2006, 05:34 PM

Posted By: AnonymousI deleted the edacra guy's post as it was inflammatory and anonymous...which is against board rules...I went ahead and left the others......regards

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07-01-2006, 05:37 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanAfter having read the responses, I have to ask David if he's a father. You are one patient dude.

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07-01-2006, 06:26 PM

Posted By: edacraI'm a little confused about this anonymous thing as it's not my intention - I'm using foxfire, with a mac and it doesn't auto fill these forms. Are aliases not allowed on this forum at all? ...and I wasn't intending to be inflammatory, I was responding towards the derogatory attitude this kid was getting for his age specifically...and I just think it's crummy the way people are ganging up. Oh, and I'm Jewish, and religious, and I like collecting Judaic related items on occasion...so perhaps my satirical comments were misunderstood... I was really just referencing that maturity, and board conduct have nothing to do with age. Hell, maybe I've even proved it. I don't like being censored though.

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07-01-2006, 06:30 PM

Posted By: edacraThe three posts questioning the anonymous status, and then saying my posts were deleted were posted by the forum owner - under anonymous. So apparently it's an easy mistake to make?

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07-01-2006, 06:40 PM

Posted By: Joannedacra, Just as a response to the ageist thing ... I don't have a thing against Sean because he is 11. There are a few 14 year olds on this board that would not even be known as 14 except that they've posted the info at some point - they are treated completely the same as the others. It's the badgering and constant, incessant follow up - not pure age - that put a few of us off. This behavior is also not well-received when done by an adult either on this board. I don't think I've read anything that suggests that any poster dislikes younger posters per se, nor that anyone is being an adult "dick" as someone put it. Turning a cold shoulder because someone is young is being just that. But asking someone to stop making repetitious and irritating posts is not. This board has a culture. And the nature of that culture is preserved by the participants. For all the frequent disagreements, near class warfare, debates and outright screaming arguments, they still fit within a culture that is largely acceptable. Behavior inconsistent with the culture gets a poor reception and is often short-lived. It's not anyone being mean, nasty or ageist. It's just the way this awesome group holds together a little society with almost no guidelines outside of mutually acceptable behaviors. Joann (And I was thinking that edacra is arcade backwards and trying to remember if anyone on the board has an amusement industry connection! lol)

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07-01-2006, 07:00 PM

Posted By: edacraIt is Arcade backwards! Joanne thanks for the reply... I think my post was misconstrued in many ways. I would never use the term "Ageist" sincerely, for one thing. Though there were several replies that implied this is an adult board, or worse, that collecting was adult stuff...right? Didn't I read a suggestion that he should be out playing instead? I felt that deserved a response. From an adult As for being a part of a culture and fitting in - I haven't been in this forum that long and already I've been censored... but I can tell you I've been collecting off and on since the 70's. I honestly haven't even read one of Sean's topics before...I skipped over them just like I skipped over the "Who's your favorite player" one.

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07-01-2006, 07:20 PM

Posted By: Joannedacra, I understand how you interpreted some of the posts, but I think many were well intended and based on experience of the posters (go play outside, play catch with your dad, collect with your dad, etc). As to the anonymous/censoring rule: it's not a matter of login/signin. It's a board practice (policy actually, but I prefer practice b/c most people do it as a matter of course) that if you post something that is potentially inflammatory, antagonistic, even sometimes controversial, that you sign it with your full real name. I have done so once or twice in the past. It's a matter of people having to stand up for their opinions and not just do the sh*t-n-git, and also helps w/any trolls. If someone won't sign a post it can be deleted. I've even seen long-time posters here that everyone knows sign their names to something controversial - it's actually pretty routine. So I don't think it was about your log in or even IP, even though that was mentioned. People just sign their posts or they get censored. The deleting isn't about content or person posting at all. I think you could probably post just about anything you wanted as long as it is on topic and includes your name. So call that one a misunderstanding and continue forward posting! Someone that has been collecting as long as you can surely add to the conversation. My interpretation - Leon, jump in if I've misstated the rules and policies. Joann (For what it's worth .. the value of young collectors is a theme that appears time and time again on this board. I can think of many members that would fall all over themselves trying to help and explain vintage cards to someone young. Sean has only been posting a few days, and I think that the style has frustrated some that are bursting to share knowledge with the next generation. Just my take - I can't speak for everyone. But most seem to really appreciate the next collectors. If there aren't future collectors, many of our collections are destined for landfills - SOMEONE has to care about them after we're gone! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>)

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07-01-2006, 07:26 PM

Posted By: Gilbert MainesWhen you open a new post in this forum, I view it as opening a room with a subject listed at the door. If those who enter feel that what is contained in the further description is worthy of comment, they do so. If not, then they do not. To enter Sean's room and behave as was done is, in my estimation, a discourtesy. It seems more proper that if you do not like what is going on in Sean's room, move on. If he seeks an audience, he will quickly learn how to best generate one. Sean broke none of the posted Forum Rules. If other rules need to be applied to him, those rules should be specified. But I do not feel that special rules are applicable. If you treat Sean as you do everyone else, our system will work. No single individual in his own "room" or "rooms" can impact the functioning of this Forum, imho.

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07-01-2006, 07:30 PM

Posted By: leonI didn't put my name where it should be, by accident, but folks know me. The board rules are such that you put your name next to your post, UNLESS you are well known by your handle/email, if there is any contorversial or "opinionated" statements. It's actually a fairly small community of posters on this board. The fact that my email address was there and I am sort of the forum owner makes my identity fairly well known. Yours, my friend, is not, and as such, unless you would like to come forward with your first and last name, will have all posts summarily deleted, that have any controversial or opinionated responses, per the boad rules. For the record I am Leon Luckey. This really isn't personal and you are probably a nice guy.... You are? best regards

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07-01-2006, 07:33 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanWhile Sean's posts exasperated me at times, I agree with Gil. Sean's a kid and we should respect that above all.

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07-01-2006, 07:38 PM

Posted By: leonWith all due respect concerning Sean. Anything that is deemed detrimental to our board, by me, is against the rules. The frequency of, and nature of, his recent posts have made me feel that way..That is not debatable....best regards

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07-01-2006, 07:38 PM

Posted By: Brianwell said Gil

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07-01-2006, 07:39 PM

Posted By: leonWith all due respect, I disagree. His rights do not come before the rights of this community, imo.....regards

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07-01-2006, 07:41 PM

Posted By: leonSame thing as I just stated to Jeff...I feel that his posts in all of those threads, if continued, would be detrimental to the board.....for sure in the long run, imo.... edited to add that if Sean starts this one thread, and keeps all of the drivel to it, then I don't have a problem....and yes, everyone can just not open it if they don't want to....he should be able to have fun in his thread...

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07-01-2006, 08:02 PM

Posted By: Gilbert MainesYour point is well taken, Leon. In fact, he did not stay in his own rooms, but visited the EPDG thread, and maybe others. The fear of disruption was expressed by EPDG participants. And as you point out, we need your vigilence and judgement. Please do not construe anything I have said as an attempt to circumvent or usurp this authority. Edited to add: I just checked Websters: "drivel" is the best word for use in this context.

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07-01-2006, 08:06 PM

Posted By: edacraLeon, it's your forum, and a private forum. Your rules go. I'm not complaining, or asking for an explanation, but I did find it ironic. I made a petty mistake in the login when I posted, made a phone call, came back, and saw the aftermath of posts asking my name,and worse checking my IP. That's sort of invasive and harsh. Jeez. I didn't libel anyone, I didn't threaten anyone, I didn't indulge in any ethnic bashing. I wasn't aware I was saying anything controversial. I just thought I had a difference of opinion. So? I truly don't feel comfortable giving you my full name in light of that now, unless it's in private on a need to know basis. I'm starting to wonder if my posts here have the same powers as Sam Berkowitz's television set. That again was a joke.

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07-01-2006, 08:11 PM

Posted By: edacra"I understand how you interpreted some of the posts, but I think many were well intended and based on experience of the posters (go play outside, play catch with your dad, collect with your dad, etc)." Then I hope Sean isn't a severe asthmatic, with an estranged father, like I had. That's why I started collecting. The attitude within the hobby is why I ever stopped. It just boils down to saying "you're not on the team"...and that's not cool.

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07-01-2006, 08:12 PM

Posted By: leonLike I said..it's nothing personal. This forum is such that you really can't have a big opinion on something without putting your name by it. If you want to stay in the very factual card threads then you may talk about cards all you want and stay anonymous. If strong opinions come out then you need to put your name by them...Yes, I found your opinions strong, and therefore asked you to adhere to the rules....that's all...I hope you hang around but please do be careful while being anonymous. The deal is that I could make it where no one could be anonymous but the board doesn't think that's the best thing. We have been over this many times before....best regards btw, edacra...if it was a mistake to not login with your name you have hadd plenty of time to correct it...but it's not mandatory yet and you can explain yourself more if you wish.....

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07-01-2006, 08:16 PM

Posted By: Brian McQueenPersonally I agree with many of the opinions in this thread. I feel that it is certainly important to help educate others and, personally, I find helping others in this community to be a rewarding experience. However the only thing that has been stated so far that I am not in agreement with is the statement that none of the rules have been broken. As many of you know, I very RARELY get involved with the censoring and deleting of threads. However, this week I've noticed quite a few that I've had to wipe out unfortunately. I've removed a few in particular that have shown a disregard for our rules about thread hijacking and posting anonymously. Things became so bad that at one point, Leon had to start a thread just to ask certain individuals to please not interfere with/ruin specific threads that have been popular with other members. I believe that when Leon says that the posts of certain individuals has become detrimental to the board, this is one of the examples he is referring to. It is a disappointment for individuals interested in that particular topic to have it taken in a different direction all of a sudden. It also decreases the educational value of the thread to the person who originally authored it. My two cents anyway, hope everyone has a great holiday weekend upcoming, -Brian

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07-01-2006, 08:18 PM

Posted By: AndrewI visit this board a few times a week, but for some reason rarely post. Although I'm from the skip and move on school of what to do if you don't like a topic, I find myself coming back for the next dramatic installment of this thread. :--) “A smooth sea never made a skilled mariner.” - English Proverb

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07-01-2006, 08:56 PM

Posted By: edacra"I believe that when Leon says that the posts of certain individuals has become detrimental to the board, this is one of the examples he is referring to. It is a disappointment for individuals interested in that particular topic to have it taken in a different direction all of a sudden. " This is referencing another member right? It's my understanding this is the first post I've made which was deleted. Seeing as the majority of posts in this particular thread were bashing the subject, and the member who posted it, I think this is equally as constructive. Should I apologize for the distraction? The subject matter, and the member itself seemed well bashed by the time I posted. As I'm new here, I thought my posts were well within the acceptable tone allowed on this board. I really never notice when Sparklekitten007 logs in under Ralph McRealName to show they mean business. I don't intend to be controversial under any name - and I can't imagine I really said anything which hit that deep of a nerve. This board never struck me as being all that precious or easily offended. That's an uneducated observation I guess, so sorry if that too offends you. Leon - I'm filling out the "your name" portion of the login box. Underneath it, there is a login name identifying me, too. If you're asking for my government name, I'm offering it outside the forum. I hope you understand, the internet is a funny place, and I was just falsely accused of ethnic bashing (when I was making a statement against it) along with requests to check my IP. So somehow posting my full distinctive name doesn't strike me as the smartest idea at the moment, and surely you can respect that. If you'd like to contact me via email because you feel there's something that still needs to be resolved, it's arcadeadct@aol.com - this invite goes for any one of you. I'm not here to make a fuss, and I think this has run it's course. I'll stick to the card talk for now on, and leave the drama to the people with real names, like you suggested. ps...edited to say it was not you, edacra, that Brian was referring to....peace......(leon)

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07-01-2006, 10:45 PM

Posted By: Enright, DanielIf those who feel compelled to defend Sean's rights to free style speech were to read all of his posts/responses thus far, and then imagine that style of conversing repeated over, and over, and over again...........in myriad topics, started by you or others............and imagine a full summer of it, hmmmm, please get back to me on that. Many people simple don't have the time to thrash through topics they enjoy - where the train of thought and "conversational style" of this board is completely lost because of a hyper kid on a keyboard. So, to those who find his style not beleaguering, there's an 11 year old we all know who could be your best buddy, and text message you all day long with baseball related questions. Just consider it a big brother program! Daniel edited for re-spelling the word compelled, as I was similarly for the egregious mistake - and egregiously hath Daniel answered it.......

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07-02-2006, 01:40 AM

Posted By: Lee Behrensedacra, No one is picking on you this board has a history and because of this history rules have had to be made to be less conflict. If you are not comfortable with the rules than do not post. Leon has explained him self too many times for the same thing in this thread. For you guys that support Sean, send him private emails and correspond with him, he is too immature and not ready to contribute to this board. Just look at his response in the favorite seeason, he has no clue. If you think it is harsh tough, that's the way I feel. If anyone thinks any of us have a problem with youths on this board just ask Zach, I believe he is 16 know and became a valuable contributor to this board. Maybe if you guys going to the National and meeting at the dinner Sean will be there. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> You won't have to worry about punctuation. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Who gets to sit next to him? Lee

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07-02-2006, 08:07 AM

Posted By: jeff lichtmanOk, Lee, you convinced me with the dinner analogy....I may never eat again.

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07-02-2006, 08:29 AM

Posted By: joeHow about just reading Sean's posting and not responding at all. Maybe after a few posts with no feedback, Sean will will realize he should be taking the this more seriously? This might have him think about the questions and start learning more about cards in the process. I think he just loves this attention. Sort of like the 7-8 year dancing and singing for attention in front of adults trying to carry on a conversation. Joe