Need ID help....e95/e96 Notebook cards

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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>I think most of you know I am an autograph guy, but I have had this for years just laying around.<br />Is it real? Is it a repro? Is it an error?<br />Paper stock, blank back, size of a T206.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1145794468.JPG"> <br /><br />I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br />Unknown author <br />--<br />We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br />No retreat baby, no surrender.<br />The Boss<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />{edited for title clarification)

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>it appears real.

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Posted By: <b>Jon Canfield</b><p>It's def an E95... could it be the notebook cut out?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I too believe it's a notebook cut out....still worth good money, though not what a regular card would bring.....

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>I have owned 2 of the Mathewsons<br /><br />here is one I have now.<br /><br />Dont bother sending it in to SGC, they will not grade this issue yet.<br />I just got this Matty back last week.<br />The funny thing is SGC has graded (misidentfied) them in past years as E95/E96 "Proofs", but they wont grade them now.<br />But they do grade the similar 1910 W-Unc. now (just got 4 back graded), so these 1913 notebook cards may be graded in the future.<br /><br /><img src="http://members.aol.com/canofprimo/notebookmatty.jpg"><br /><br /><br />Here is a scan (below) of the only complete notebook I have seen from this series.<br /><br />The notebook is full of homework (little girl owned it) from Sep/Oct of 1913. Thats where the date of 1913 comes from.<br />I believe the notebook survived complete because the little girl didnt care about the cards on the cover and didnt cut them out.<br /><br />I have seen or owned 17 different (1913 E95/E96 Notebook)<br />Ames E96<br />Baker E96<br />Bender E95<br />Brown E96<br />Chance E95<br />Clark (Clarke) E96<br />Devlin E95<br />Donovan E96<br />Evers E95<br />Lajoie E96<br />Matthewson (Mathewson) E95<br />McIntyre E95<br />Myers (Meyers) E96<br />Pfeister (Pfiester) E96<br />Tinker E96<br />Wagner E95<br />Willetts (Willett) E95<br /><br /><img src="http://centuryoldcards.com/images/notebook.jpeg">

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Posted By: <b>Richard Simon</b><p>Thanks for the info on SGC. I had already packaged this card and was shipping it to them tomorrow.<br /><br><br>I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.<br />Unknown author <br />--<br />We made a promise. We swore we'd always remember.<br />No retreat baby, no surrender.<br />The Boss

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>....I would have thought they would grade them as they do the 1910's one's.....live and learn..

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Posted By: <b>Brian McQueen</b><p><br />Acquired a couple of these off of Ebay today. I guess we can up that list of the known players to "19" (Konetchy & Krause).<br /><br />I believe I've also seen a Collins which would up that total to 20. This doesn't include the odd handcut Cobb that was cut off of a scorecard (I believe).<br /><br />Any ideas on how scarce these actually are? I always valued them around the same as the actual cards. Not as desireable perhaps since they're handcut but prettytough to come by....<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8820490340&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1" target="_new">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8820490340&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1</a><br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8820498913&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1" target="_new">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8820498913&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1</a><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>If you reproduce a original card issue on a notebook cover, isn't the resultant "card" once cutout, a reprint?

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>I have seen some that have the colors off registered (slightly misaligned). I would think that would prove they are not copies of a card, but rather used the original separated color plates (whatever they are called) just like most cards of this era. These images are very clean especially the caption. <br /><br /><img src=http://members.aol.com/canofprimo/e95compare.jpg><br />1913 Notebook card on the left, E95 on the right<br /><br /><br />PS I updated my list, thanks for the 2 new ones.

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Posted By: <b>Joe Jones</b><p><IMG SRC="http://www2.propichosting.com/Images/450009815/84.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>I find this subject quite interesting, and hope my comments are not viewed as criticism as much as inquiry. I was unaware that the notebook covers used the actual printing plates that were employed to make the original cards.<br /><br />Didn't someone also do this with Exhibit cards in the 70s or 80s? I believe that those are considered reprints, eventhough original plates reportedly were used. Or do I have my "facts" incorrect?

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>I would consider it the same as when Tango Eggs, American Caramel (E106), General Baking (D303), Mino, Kotton, etc. used some of the same images (plates) from earlier caramel cards issued 6-7 years earlier with American Caramel (E90-1), Dockman (E92), Mello-Mint (E105) etc. <br /><br />Except the gap between the Notebook cards and the slightly earlier printed E95 and E96 cards is only about 2-4 years. They are not a reprint, In my opinion a reprint is a card where they reprint the exact card (front and back). Anyone who has seen or owned a notebook card would never confuse it with a E95 or E96 because of the paper stock and blank back. <br /><br />No one would call a Tango Eggs card a reprint of a Dockman, even though they used the same images (plates) 7 years later.<br /><br />Just my opinion....