So what should this card Grade and What would you Prefer

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>It will be going off to SGC shortly, what do you think it should/will grade at.<br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.thetoyheaven.com/images/items/bbcjbrown.jpg"><br /><br /><br />card is really nice with great colors and just slightly rounded corners. There are mega light wrinles on the tip of the upper right and lower left corners. No other creases or problems. Obvious issues are the staining and the tiny pin hole at the top.<br /><br />So what do you think?<br /><br /><br /><br />Ok so to add to this what would you prefer this card as a Poor or something that is all beat to hell with tons of creasing but no paper loss??<br /><br />I would prefer the pin hole in this and likely most cases.<br /><br /><br /><br />It's a very displayable HOF card with great colors.<br /><br />James Gallo<br /><br />Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>The pinhole at the top of the card may automatically knock the card down to SGC 10.

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Posted By: <b>joe</b><p>I agree, the pinhole knocks it down to a 10.<br /><br />Joe

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>My guess: 20 based on description. <br /><br />Joann

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Posted By: <b>JudgeDred2</b><p>The highest grade I've ever seen SGC provide to a card with a pinhole is a 20. Apparetnly SGC saw some other attributes to raise a card with a hole to the grade of 20 (from a typical 10). PSA would grade the card no higher than a "1".

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Posted By: <b>Brian Goldner</b><p>But from a grading perspective, the pinhole is a fatal flaw.<br /><br />Thus, i expect it will come back SGC 10.

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>I expect it to be a 10 or 20 and hope it gets a 20. It's such a nice card and the pin hole is in a spot where it doesn't bother me at all.<br /><br />Thanks for the input and feel free to keep them coming.<br /><br />James Gallo<br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Joann</b><p>The scan looks like it is already in a PSA holder? Is that a PSA 1? If so, defintely try SGC and/or GAI. Not even because of any opinion about the competence of various grading companies - purely because both GAI and SGC have the 1.5 grade available to them so they don't HAVE to put such a wide variety of cards into the "1" category. You're break-even or better - the worst you can do is end up with a 1, and might sneak up a half grade.<br /><br />I have a few SGC/GAI 1.5's that I would never send to PSA, even if I were to sell them. Too low to be a 2, but not the train wreck that some 1's are, the 1.5 is perfect. PSA would have no choice but to grade them 1.<br /><br />Joann<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>Yes it is in a PSA 1 holder and honestly I expect it to get a SGC 20. I have seen hammered cards as 1 and then you seen a card like this with a 1 grade, it just has to make you wonder.<br /><br />I don't like that PSA groups the Poor Fair grade together, it just becomes to broad.<br /><br />James Gallo<br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Pinhole and other overall wear=poor. I would suggest not even sending the card to SGC and saving your money grading the card.<br />

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Posted By: <b>fkw</b><p>SGC-10

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Posted By: <b>Ricky Y</b><p>I would have to say more likely to be a SCG 10 as well...especially in light of that pinhole. I totally agree with PSA 1 grading problems..when you see thrashed cards mixed in with decent but worn cards getting the same grade..the credibility suffers a bit. Still a sweet card..I'd be happy to have that in a collection.<br /><br />Cheers.<br /><br />Ricky

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p>It's not worth enough to pay for grading fees twice, is it?<br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>Frank Wakefield</b><p>Brian has it correctly assessed.<br /><br />It will get a 1.<br /><br />And when it does, you'll be dissatisfied with the results.<br /><br />At present you have a nice card that you like. I like it. Once it gets slabbed, you'll have a slabbed card you're unhappy with, and you paid for that!<br /><br />Admittedly, I have an EXTREME bias against the slabbing of cards. I broke an E90-1 out last night, to put in a book with my others. So I wouldn't get this card of yours slabbed. But even the slabheads (which are the majority on this board) see that you shouldn't slab this card. Unless you've got a megabuck buyer lined up for this card, with the price agreed upon and very high, on condition that the card will grade.<br /><br />I'd leave it alone. And I'll also wager you send it off to get graded.

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Posted By: <b>Gilbert Maines</b><p>I think that it is a vg/ex card, with some problems. How much you downgrade the card depends on your evaluation of the severity of the problems. My evaluation is the card is decreased to maybe a vg at best.<br /><br />What GAI, SCG or others may think does not matter to me anymore than it matters to the Great Wake. I am comfortable in employing my criteria in the assessment of a card's value to me. And pinholes are part of the character and history of a card, not a "fatal flaw" in my grading scheme.

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Posted By: <b>Sean</b><p>Here is what SGC says (10 - 30 can have a pinhole(s)), I guess it could be a 20 maybe, but I would lean toward the 10. <br /><br />30 GOOD 2: Centered 90/10 or better. This card usually exhibits one or more of these characteristics: heavy print spots, heavy crease(s), pinhole(s), color or focus imperfections or discoloration, surface scuffing or tear, rounded and/or fraying corners, ink or pencil marking(s), and lack of all or some original gloss.<br /><br />20 FAIR 1.5: Centered 90/10 or better. This card usually exhibits several of these characteristics: heavy print spots, heavy crease(s), pinhole(s), color or focus imperfections or discoloration, surface scuffing or tears, rounded and/or fraying corners, ink or pencil marking(s), and lack of all or some original gloss, a small portion of the card may be missing. <br /> <br />10 POOR 1: This card usually exhibits many of these characteristics: heavy print spots, heavy crease(s), pinhole(s), color or focus imperfections or discoloration, surface scuffing or tears, rounded and/or fraying corners, ink or pencil marking(s), and lack of all or some original gloss, small portions of the card may be missing. <br />

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Posted By: <b>PC</b><p>I grade it an SGC 05. That said, it's still a great card and I would love to have it. But since SGC doesn't go below 10/1, it's a 10/1. <br /><br />But if you'd rather take a chance crossing the card over to SGC because, even if you're disappointed with the grade, you prefer to have an SGC 10 than a PSA 1, then great. In that case, I see the merit of crossing that card over to SGC.<br /><br />However, if you really want a chance at getting a half grade higher, I would try GAI before SGC. I have some GAI 1.5s that would never have been SGC 20s. But, for that card, I doubt there's any more market value in a GAI 1.5 slab than there is in a PSA 1 or SGC 10 slab.

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Posted By: <b>dd</b><p>It's a 10.

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Posted By: <b>JudgeDred2</b><p>James,<br /><br />I'm guessing you just want the card in an SGC holder because the contrast that the black border will provide for the card. That black border makes a card really stand out. Does it really matter what grade it gets? <br /><br />I'm pretty sure there wont be much difference in resale value between a 10 and 20 because at those levels people will probably buy the card and not the holder. Overall there are different reasons that "slabheads" like to have their cards encapsulated. For me, I like to have cards encapsulated to protect them. I don't care about the number on the label. If I purchase a card that's slabbed I wont bid more than what I feel it's worth. Like they say, buy the card, not the holder.

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Posted By: <b>James Gallo</b><p>Well I have several reasons for getting it graded by SGC.<br /><br />First I bought it in the PSA holder so I didn't pay to slab it.<br /><br />By slabing it I can add it to my 1914 registry SGC set.<br /><br />I really like the look of SGC holders especially with Cracker Jacks in them.<br /><br />I got it for a cheap price IMO so another $10 isn't going to make a difference.<br /><br />It is easier to sell a slabbed card. <br /><br />Lastly, I have a few other cards I need to send in.<br /><br />I think those are pretty solid reasons to slab it.<br /><br /><br />Thanks for all the responses and LMK what you think about the pin hole vs creases debate.<br /><br /><br />James Gallo<br /> <br><br>Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>SGC typically grades cards with pinholes a 10 or 20. However, Ive had a couple that have rec'd 30s. For example, the card below rec'd a 30.<br />Given that your card has wrinkles and is stained, I would guess a 10. <br /><br /><img src="http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/jkrasner2/File0589.jpg">