PSA vs. SGC - consistent and accurate?

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Posted By: <b>Vim</b><p>PSA vs. SGC: Which is better and why? Is your experience that they grade according to their own published grading scales? Which one would you rely on to be accurate (i.e., you believe they consistently grade according to their own scale)?

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Posted By: <b>Joe Jones</b><p>I have never submitted to a grading company. But, the cards that I buy in SGC holders are consistantly more accurate than the PSA. I am not saying SGC is perfect because I have had some that looked lower or better than the grade.

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Posted By: <b>Bryan Long</b><p>If you do a quick search for "PSA vs. SGC" or something along those lines you will get literally hundreds of responses to this question.<br /><br><br>.

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Posted By: <b>Nelson</b><p>I have many card graded by different company : psa, bgs, sgc, ksa and gai. The best company according to me is BGS. The second is PSA. I not trust SGC.

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Posted By: <b>Adam Smith</b><p>PSA is the best and sell for the most. PSA and Beckett have a registries that thousands use while very few people participate in SGC's registry. This hurts the resale value of SGC cards.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Why don't trust SGC?<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: <b>NELSON</b><p>i dont trust SGC because i see many card of a dealer graded by sgc. And i heard some history about this dealer and this company have a deal. Many time This dealer have .5 or 1 point more of the real grade according to me. Anyway the grading is verry different person by person. It is my opinion but about all company psa is according to me the best company but i have in my collection some overgraded card by psa.<br />Nelson

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Posted By: <b>Lee Behrens</b><p>As stated earlier, do a search of PSA vs SGC. I think you will get a wake up call about PSA. If you want to support them fine but they have such a poor history that I would never use them. If you are worried about one dealer that uses SGC exclusively and that he has preferental treatment than there are 10 times more PSA dealers that receive that same treatment. <br /><br />Nelson do a little research on different thread about PSA and ask your self why the PSA board delete threads and kicks people off the there board when they ask legitimate questions concerning the company and it's practices. PSA has a long ways to go to catch up to SGC in consistance and customer service.<br /><br /><br /><br />Lee

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Posted By: <b>FYS</b><p>#

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Posted By: <b>Richard Wong</b><p>FYS - does it matter?

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Posted By: <b>FYS</b><p>@

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p><i>&lt;&lt; The best company according to me is BGS. &gt;&gt;</i><br /><br />BGS is a service for grading modern cards, not vintage cards.

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Posted By: <b>zach</b><p>Nelson has posted on the board plenty of times and expained his situation, he's Canadian. I don't think people need to jump on him every time he posts and comment on how he types.<br />This was regarding a post that has since been deleted.

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>.

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>The reason for my post is that I wouldn't want people to feel that they can't post here if their verbal and/or writing is less than perfect. If someone has something on topic to share, let them share it.<br /><br />edited to say: I can understand Nelson, and I'm not even Canadian.

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>.

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Posted By: <b>Wesley</b><p>I read the post and I think it is pretty clear that Nelson is saying that he prefers BGS and PSA over SGC. <br /><br />It would be a shame if we dissuade Nelson, Elliot, Max and other our Canadian friends from posting simply because we do not always understand them.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>zach</b><p>I guess I can read between the lines then and understand his posts better than others, no harm done. I just think he's explained himself multiple times and shouldn't have to after every post.

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>Nelson,<br /><br />I think if you read some past threads on sgc you will find that they are the one company no one seems to believe bumps grades for dealers. On the other hand, both psa and gai have been suspected of doing just that - bumping grades for their best customers (just look at wayne varners site - I sold an sgc 30 e98 wagner that made its way to varner - it now resides in a gai 3 slab). <br />Finally, bgs is a joke when it comes to grading pre-war cards.

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>.

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Posted By: <b>FYS</b><p>"There's not much worse than a heavy Canadian accent."<br /><br />Or Northern Wisconsin:&gt;)

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>.

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Posted By: <b>John J. Grillo</b><p>Sorry...this is carrying it to the extreme in asking someone who's second language is English and then suggesting that he ask someone to translate...these aren't legal documents here (i.e. powers of attorney), it's a message board. Keep posting away...I think we all can understand if we get off our high horses.<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Kevin Savage</b><p>I think the grading services have their place in the marketplace- and all of the majors(SGC, PSA, GAI, BGS) do their best to accurately grade cards to the best of their ability. It is not an exact science and in my opinion- is not that easy. <br /><br />I am convinced that some cards would and could receive a different grade from a particular grading company depending on: which grader or graders look at the card, what mood the grader is in, if it is the best condition card in a submission(or the worst), if it is the first card the grader looked at that day(or the last),the graders' experience with a particular issue(Old Judges vs. '33 Goudeys vs. 1987 Topps), what the grader had for lunch, and the current phase of the moon that day. <br /><br />I go to this one restaurant which has a fantastic chef- but every once in a blue moon- I get a bad meal-but I still go back- because by and large he's a great chef and I almost always get a great meal..... My point is human's are not always 100% consistent...... <br /><br />I think it is easy for all of us to take pot shots at particular "grading mistakes"- (I admit I do it too)- I think all of us would feel better if we knew the background of all the graders(how they learned about cards, their experience, if they were Canadian...). I hope they all continue to strive to improve- as professional grading does make many transactions easier to complete....<br /><br />I also understood Nelson's message just fine.... but then again I vacationed in Quebec City as a child....

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Posted By: <b>jackgoodman</b><p>His English is a whole lot better than my Canadian <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> How many of us can even speak two languages (let alone ours well?). <br /><br />My 2cents.

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Posted By: <b>FYS</b><p>"Sorry...this is carrying it to the extreme in asking someone who's second language is English and then suggesting that he ask someone to translate..."<br /><br />Everyone, where appropriate, should be commended for preaching tolerance. It is very appropriate in many cases and should be celebrated. <br /><br />Now back to the meat of the thread. Basically, Brian and Mike (I do not know who else he could be implicating) were blasted as having made a deal with the devil. It is funny how the "save the Canadian" front has just wistfully glanced over a pretty serious claim! I guess if your English is your second languange, it is ok to slander people.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>So I guess bringing Sean Avery into the discussion at this point would be in poor taste.

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Posted By: <b>Max Weder</b><p>Salut Nelson<br /><br />Si tu veux m'ecrire en francais au sujet de cartes de baseball, je peux essayer de te repondre aux questions en francais (malgre mes fautes de grammaire...). Et j'espere que tu va continuer a poser des questions en anglais ici au net54, malgre certaines des responses et des postes ici<br /><br />Max<br />

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>ignorance is bliss....

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>my limited high school french (taken 20 years ago) tells me that max is offering his translation services.

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Salut Nelson<br /><br />Si tu veux m'ecrire en francais au suject de cartes de baseball, je peux essayer de te repondre aux questions en francais (malgre mes fautes de grammaire...). Et j'espere que tu va continuer a poser des questions en anglais ici au net54, malgre certaines des responses et des postes ici<br /><br />Max<br /><br />_________________<br /><br />Hello Nelson,<br /><br />If you write, in French, about the subject of baseball cards, I can translate the responses to the questions in French (pardon my awful errors in grammar). But if you would like to continue to ask your questions in english here on the net54 board, you will get certain crappy replies posted here.<br /><br />Max

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>Who would have ever guessed that Richard was Canadian <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>Josh- I have to disagree with you on GAI, to an extent. I certainly have submitted a large number of cards to be graded and don't feel I get any kind of break. I get the same disappointing grades which I get from PSA and SGC<br />:-)The thing about GAI and SGC is they are consistent, I consistently get diappointing grades...

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Posted By: <b>Cobby33</b><p>I submitted a T206 proof card to SGC and they didn't know what to do with it, so they sent it back. I saw a similar card on eBay, graded by PSA, so I'm at a loss as to why SGC couldn't figure it out or didn't bother contacting me before sending it back.

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>Nelson is hardly the only poster on Net 54 who makes grammatical errors! For most of the others, English is their first language.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>I'm only Canadian when people question my english verbal skills <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>From my experience SGC is very inconsistent when grading strip cards, & I will not use their service anymore.

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Posted By: <b>nelson</b><p>salut richard,<br />ouais j'ai décolé un super débat ici lol. Bref non je pensais que les forum américain était mieux que ceux du Québec mais il y a des chialeux partout. Bref merci quand même de ton aide. Au moin j'essaie de m'améliorer en anglais !! Toi tu vien de où? Il n'ont pas aimé mon opinion sur Sgc mais c'est un gout personnel et j'ai trop entendu souvent dans les expositions et de la part d'autres vendeurs des histoires à ce sujet c'est pourquoi je ne fait plus vraiment confiance au grades puisque c'est vraiment subjectif. D'une personne à une autre l'opinion est différente. Bref tu peux leur écrire pour moi que je m'excuse de l'anglais que j'essaie de m'améliorer et que je n'écrirai plus sur les forums que je vais me contenter de lire. Merci à l'avance. Et que je respect leur préférences au sujet des companies de grading.<br />Nelson

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>Hurry up Max, my high school french wasn't that good!

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Posted By: <b>nelson</b><p>brian wrentz is not the dealer that i was talk in my last posting.

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Posted By: <b>bigfish</b><p>watashi wa ogenki deska

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Don't go there on GAI. Remember the little story about the chipped Matty...lest we forget? What was it again....???

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>SGC has just posted a nice grading special that I am sure most of us will take advantage of:<br /><br />Vintage Special: Prewar Crossover special - $6 per card (pre-1948, $500 value or less), 10-day service. <br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.sgccard.com/monthly_specials.htm" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.sgccard.com/monthly_specials.htm</a>

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Posted By: <b>Bob S</b><p>Is a "crossover" a previously slabbed card?<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />Bob

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Yes, a crossover is a card already graded by somebody else.

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Posted By: <b>steve f</b><p> A few months ago I decided on a second opinion. Realizing that crossover can result in an biased opinion, four SGC, BVG or PSA holdered cards were bustid then submitted to a different company and upgraded; I was looking for the flips but can't locate right now. Though I'm not sure I wish to reveal the players names as it may affect later sales -not mine, but our heirs'.<br /><br />A. T206 Detroit: *2 -PSA5(mc)^<br /><br />B. '34 DS A's: *1.5 -BVG3 ^<br /> <br />C. '53 PK Detroit: *3 -PSA4 ^<br /><br />D. '54 B Yankees: *2 -PSA2 = no change<br /><br />*will provide the original grading company later on. (I know, B. is a no-brainer.)<br /><br />Not recommending this method as I believe luck was on our side when selecting the ones that deserve greater scrutiny as neither were returned graded lower or altered/trimmed!