1906 Columbus Senators PC

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Posted By: <b>Zach</b><p>I recently aquired this from a fellow board member and have a question. The front obviously pictures the 1906 Columbus, Ohio team but the back is postdated 1911. Here is my question, does anyone know if this was made in 1906 and just sitting around until finally mailed out in 1911 ? Or do you guys think it was made in 1911 to commemerate the 1906 Columbus Senators ? Thanks in advnace for any help. One more thing, can anyone help me with identifying everyone on the team ? Possibly a team roster ? I have looked through many wesbsites and even a book on Columbus baseball and haven't came up with anything.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1136944252.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Postcard was probably issued in 1907 but it's tough to say for sure. Roster included: Blue, Hulswitt, Freil, Mgr. Clymer, Groth, Hinchman, Coultier, Pickering, Veil, Wrigley, Ryan, Flaherty, Robertaille, Kihm, and Berger. I got this information out of the 1907 Spalding Guide. Looks like several of these guys ended up in the T206 set, it would be fun to try and match up faces.

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Posted By: <b>Daniel Bretta</b><p>Zach, IMO your postcard was most likely made in 1906, but wasn't mailed until later. I have tried to find minor league rosters from this era before and it is difficult. Interestingly enough I have snapshot photos from a game between the Senators and the Milwaukee Brewers from the same era as your postcard.<br /><br /><a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4154/0minor7lf.jpg" border="0" width="668" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></a>

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Posted By: <b>zach</b><p>Very cool, thanks for the info guys.

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Zach,<br /><br />That postcard was definitely issued in 1906 or 1907. It has an "undivided back" which was only produced until March 1st, 1907. After that date, all postcards were divided on the back, which meant you could write your message on one half and the address on the other half. Undivided back postcards ususally have the message written on the front of the card, in the margin as it is on yours, with only the address written on the back. <br /><br />The only reason it has a 1911 postmark is that someone didn't mail it until then. If you found a mint, unsent postcard from 1906 and mailed it today, it would be the same thing. The postmark would have a 2006 date even though the card itself would be 100 years old. <br /><br />Remember that date (March 1st, 1907) because it's any easy way to tell if a postcard was produced before then or after. Undivided back = pre-3/1/1907. Also, if it says "post card" or "postcard" instead of "private mailing card" it was issued after December 24th, 1901. Using those guidelines, we can tell that yours was issued between Dec. 24th, 1901 and March 1st, 1907. However, it's clear that it was issued either at the end of 1906, after the season ended (1906 champs) or in the first 2 months of 1907. If the American Association season ended in October, we can pinpoint it to within about a 5 month window of when it was produced.<br /><br />There are other postcards in that series, by the way. I think they show scenes from games featuring the Columbus team. I believe they were all issued together by the Columbus Dispatch and probably came in an envelope with 10 cards or so. <br /><br />Hope that helps, <br /><br />-Ryan

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Posted By: <b>zach</b><p>Ryan, thats very much for the info. As a matter of fact I am printing it out to put with my notes. Does anyone have any of the others in the set ? The back indicates there are 16 subjects in the set and this is the only one I have ever seen. Apparently if you cut one coupon from the Dispatch you would recieve one card and if you cut 15 you could mail them in and get all 16.

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Posted By: <b>joe brennan</b><p> Zach, I have the same postcard, but it is un mailed, but I believe it is from 1907. I believe Columbus won the pennant again in 1907 and if it was issued at a later date it would have included the 1907 Championship. <br /> Just a bit of trivia with this card. Pickering who is pictured on this card is credited to have the first at bat ever for the newly formed American League. Three games were scheduled on opening day and the other two were rained out, so he batted first in the only game that day. <br /><br><br>A scared man can't gamble and a jealous man can't work.

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Posted By: <b>RobertS</b><p>I’ve seen this postcard with a postmark from 1907. Also, I have a picture of this card with the names listed (although I don't have the actual card and the picture isn't post-able). The names I can make out are as follows:<br /><br />Top Row,<br /><br />?, Groh, Robertaille (possibly), ?, Hulswitt, Freil, Coulter, ?<br /><br />Bottom Row:<br /><br />Ryan, Flaherty (although the name Berger is also written below), Wrigley, Clymer, Veil, ?, Pickering<br /><br />Here's an image containing another example of your postcard together with a companion gameday scene card from this Columbus Dispatch series:<br /><br /><img src="http://vintageball.com/files/Columbus_Dispatch_Pair_Web.jpg"><br /><br />Close-up:<br /><img src="http://vintageball.com/files/pano.jpg"><br /><br />And here's an image of a 1907 Columbus team postcard (I've always wanted to find this card for sale, but it rarely comes up): <br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/VintageBall/columbus_1907.JPG"><br /><br />Also, here's a link to a good history of the 1905 team: <a href="http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/history/top100.jsp?idx=59" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/history/top100.jsp?idx=59</a><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>zach</b><p>Thanks Robert, those scans are great ! I really enjoy the 1905 postcard and the other Columbus one is nice too, the first time i've seen it. So thats 2 out of the 16 and one is a team photo and one is a photo of a game. I wonder if any of the others are of individual players possibly. The team card obviously is the easiest of all of them, though just a theory, I believe this to be if you had one coupon from a paper and wanted to send it in for a postcard which one would you request ? A shot of some random game or a shot of the whole team ? I think most would go with team though im not sure if you got a choice to pick who you got, the back does not mention a checklist or make sure to tell us which one you want.

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Posted By: <b>RobertS</b><p>This series from the Columbus newspaper may not have been all baseball. I've been searching for other baseball PCs from the series for years with no luck. Nowhere on the back does it suggest the other postcards are baseball ones. For all we know, they may have been other scenes of Columbus!

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Posted By: <b>Scott Gross</b><p>Makes sense that Clymer, as mgr., would be seated front row center. Maybe Berger is the bat boy ..........<br /><br />Zach,<br />As far as other research options on the Columbus roster: Get in contact with a Columbus Library or even Ohio St. They would have old Columbus newspapers on microfilm. For a fee (sometimes quite nominal) they would probably send you a few copies of box scores. This could help you peice together a roster.<br /><br />Good luck, cool item, Scott

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Posted By: <b>zach</b><p>Don't mean to bump this up just showing off my recent finds. After a few searches on ebay I came up with a few additions to the checklists. When this was posted we knew of 2 baseball PCS known in the set, one of the team and one of a game. So thats 2 out of the 16 know. I have since found one from the same series picturing a famous church in Columbus with the caption EAST BROAD STREET M. E. CHURCH, another one of Mt. Caramel Hospital, and there was another which I can't find right now but it was off I think Ohio State University. This means that the whole set is not baseball but only a portion of it is. It pictures famous buildings in Columbus and their minor league team and maybe even more as more examples turn up.

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Didn't see this thread until today, otherwise I would have responded before today. The set in question is tough but not nearly as tough as most team postcards of the era. At one point I had the entire series and the 2 baseball pictures were the only sports PC's in the set. All of the other PC's showed various views of the city, etc.--Don't remember any specific locations or anything as I was mainly interested in the baseball ones, but these PC's do show up somewhat regularly.<br />-Rhett