Learning a lesson the hard way

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Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>About 3 or 4 weeks ago I spotted an E97 Young on ebay from a buyer with little or no feedback and the card looked a little suspect. I made a post on the board about it and asked for opinions as to its authenticity. Opinions differed but many said it looked like a reprint. All I did was call attention to the card which still went for a big bargain price. Granted several collectors didn't want to take a chance on its being a fake which held the price down, but by my making the post of inquiry, some collectors' attention was called to the card and they bid on it. The bottom line is the same card is now on ebay in an SGC holder at a much greater price.<br />I learned a lesson, sometimes you need to keep ye olde trap shut <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Bryan Long</b><p>You are right! I have learned to keep my mouth shut when it comes to questions about cards that are still live on the auction block. I would rather buy a cheap reprint then see a great deal go slip through my fingers. Maybe you should just e-mail me with any questions and then only I would be bidding against you <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br><br>.

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>bob it's not the same card, but mum's the word is always wise...especially on scarcer stuff.<br /><br /><img src="http://i9.ebayimg.com/01/i/05/86/d7/e7_1.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>zach</b><p>I agree with Quann. Mum is the word and I don't think live ebay links should be allowd to be posted. How many people view this board a day ? I know its in the hundreds. So if you think maybe just a few posters will see the link then you are wrong. I can't tell you how frustrating it is when you find a card on ebay you want to go big for and it stays really low then bam its posted on the board and the view counter on the ebay page has doubled in 12 hours and you end up getting outbid. I am not saying the high bidder only found out about the card through the board and didnt just find it themselves but you never know. I just know that when I spend alot of time surfing through ebay pages then before the auction closes I see a post on the board about that certain item it kills me.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I will not stop anyone from posting an ongoing auction. It's not my job to educate educated collectors, nor is it my right as moderator, imo. I cringe when I see them talked about though....

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Posted By: <b>quan</b><p>go get urself some krispy kreme donuts and maybe the bitter taste of that other lost doughnut will go away <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> . leon is a nicer dictator, don't think he'll censor anything without a cause.

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Posted By: <b>zach</b><p>Leon-I didn't mean to come off like I was pushing you to do something, ban live links from the board. My post was more or less me ranting because it has happened and is very frustrating. Quann you of all people should know there are know dougnut shops in Pickerington <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>one of the best deals i ever got on ebay was a cobb portrait that was "outed" by another board member. the opinion of many was that the card was fake....<br />i even remember hal saying "don't waste your time or money on that."<br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>...card after seeking advice from this Board on its authenticity. Some people chimed in that it was legit and I trusted those that did and wound up with a really sweet deal. It would have been a monumental error had I not sought this advice before the auction closed, because everything about it looked wrong and I never would have bid.

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Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>I got an email from the buyer of the E97 Young and he said, yes, it was a fake and was returned and the E97 Young on ebay now which he is selling is not the same one, just a coincidence. <br />Still, I agree that sometimes mum is the word. I remember once keeping my mouth shut on a card listed in the wrong category and getting an E97 black and white (in an SGC 30 holder now) for $200, a real bargain. At the time I really wanted to ask about the authenticity to knowledgeable collectors of that set but realized what would have happened. I kept my trap shut and outbid the only other guy who was wise, although he was someone I have never seen on 54 (maybe a lurker though). Perhaps the better method is to simply send an email to someone you trust who has expertise on a particular set and hope it goes no further. I have done this succesfully in the past before and have also answered emails from others about certain caramel cards and obaks and painfully laid off them while they went for a song. Sometimes it is nice to realize that an awful lot of our fellow collectors are great guys, not all, but the vast majority are ready to help and assist.

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Posted By: <b>pete ullman</b><p>t206collector you really stole that o'hara...sweet deal...i saw it...because of your post...and I knew it was real. I should have outbid you on it! Ha Ha! tobeecat rules!<br /><br />The first time I saw a live auction posted I was kinda shocked! Why would someone draw such attention if they were interested in pursuing it. Then I grew to enjoy looking at these auctions I may have otherwise missed. So post em if you wanna...but it's kinda stupid! Phone a friend!<br /><br />pete in mn

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Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Leon- I agree you can't prevent someone from posting a live auction, but how about as a New Year's resolution everyone who is a regular on the board agrees not to post them, or talk about some out of the mainstream country auction that's taking place some weekend that has a cache of vintage material. It's called the honor system, and we can all agree to abide by it. And also, to use tbob's example, if you are not sure if a card is real, email a friend privately. Once you put it on the board, it's a feeding frenzy in the making. This excludes warning board members of obvious fakes. That is something useful and encouraged.

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Posted By: <b>Mark</b><p>TBob, at least you learned a valuable lesson. Now how much should I set my snipe for on the sgc e97 young that you just brought to my attention? =o)

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Posted By: <b>nbbrazil</b><p>a better lesson is buying a card you thought was authentic/untrimmed...and finding out it is. the lesson you're talking about is a tough one...but is rarer and really didnt cost you any money (besides the possible profit).<br /><br />not pre war, but i saw a crisp 1954 hank aaron johnston cookies on ebay once...raw. i asked the seller for many scans...and, based on these pictures, the card looked like it could grade at least a 6. I put in a snipe....but, it wasnt high enough (second bidder). i contacted the buyer after he graded it....it got a PSA 7...SMR twice the amount he bought it for!