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12-26-2005, 06:06 PM

Posted By: FYSAnother Wagner, but not a T206. <a href="http://www.sgccard.com/E107realized.htm" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.sgccard.com/E107realized.htm</a>

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12-26-2005, 06:20 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisMost people expected it to go for a lot more: <a href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1132891132/last-1133051670/Question+about+the+New+Poll" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1132891132/last-1133051670/Question+about+the+New+Poll</a>

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12-26-2005, 06:33 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisAs I started thinking about it, while there are a lot of cards that may be WORTH more than $100,000... how many have actually SOLD PUBLICLY in an auction to where the MARKET dictated the price??? Off the top of my head, I can think of: 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mays PSA 9 1954 Topps Aaron PSA 10 1915 Sporting News Ruth PSA 8 1910 T210 Joe Jackson 1914 Baltimore News Ruth 1909 T206 Honus Wagner 1909 T206 Doyle variation 1887 California League Old Judge card (Dailey) Can everyone please help me remember other PUBLIC auction results that exceeded $100k for a SINGLE card?

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12-26-2005, 06:43 PM

Posted By: CatThe same PSA 8 M101-5 Ruth card that sold for $120,000 in the Spring Sotheby's auction just sold for $140,000 in the December Mile High Card Co auction. Edited to correct typos unless otherwise noted.

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12-26-2005, 06:47 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisThe list currently sits at 9. Here are others who MIGHT qualify, but I just can't remember seeing them in any auctions: 1933 Ruths in PSA 10 1934 Gehrig in PSA 10 1932 US Caramel Lindstrom Any ultra-rare One-of-a-kind VINTAGE cards Anybody know if any of these (or others) need to be added to the current "Fine 9" ??

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12-26-2005, 06:49 PM

Posted By: cmokingI keep records of Goudey sales, but don't keep records of when or where they sold...but I have the following in my spreadsheet: 1933 Goudey 181 Babe Ruth PSA 9 $100K It's possible I rounded and it was actually below $100K. and two close ones: 1933 Goudey 106 Nap Lajoie PSA 9 $96K and $92K I think they were two different cards, but not 100% sure.

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12-26-2005, 06:50 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisI think $96k is "close enough"... so we will expand the list accordingly: 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mays PSA 9 1954 Topps Aaron PSA 10 1915 Sporting News Ruth PSA 8 1910 T210 Joe Jackson 1914 Baltimore News Ruth 1909 T206 Honus Wagner 1909 T206 Doyle variation 1887 California League Old Judge card (Dailey) 1933 Lajoie PSA 9 1933 Ruth PSA 9 1903 E107 Wagner We now have "The Dandy Dozen"!! Any others?

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12-26-2005, 06:53 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisHave any Cracker Jacks sold INDIVIDUALLY for more than $100k?

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12-26-2005, 06:53 PM

Posted By: cmokingThe Lajoie was a PSA 9...you have PSA 8 in your list.

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12-26-2005, 07:01 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasA couple of years ago a Tiger Woods 1996 SI for kids BGS 10 sold for over $100,000. I know this is not a vintage card but it deserves mention based on the short list. Cmoking, That World wide Gum Ruth is nice, great pick up. Charlie

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12-26-2005, 07:04 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisCharlie: Was the Tiger Woods card in a sanctioned auction?? I can't trust a "sales price"... because it could just be one person "selling" it to his friend (who turned around and sold it right back) just to "hype up" the card. If it went in a real auction... then someone really did pay for the card. Let me know if you remember.

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12-26-2005, 07:07 PM

Posted By: cmokingThanks Charlie. Now if you could just lower your BIN prices on the Wagner and Cobb, I could add them next to the Babe.

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12-26-2005, 07:13 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasHal, That's a good point. I do not know for sure. I will try and find out. However, I would be careful by saying that a quoted sale from a third party auction is without minipulation. Without naming any names, I have seen the same cards sold from the same auction house multiple times. At least with ebay, you can see the winning bidders ID and underbidders. In my opinion, especially when you are talking about the 100,000 cards, I doubt any auction house would allow a card to end without a little bidding underneath. I am not saying this is totally a bad thing but I am not sure that third party auction prices are any more accurate than ebays or any private sale. Charlie

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12-26-2005, 07:14 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasCmoking, Send me an email and tell me where you need to be on those cards and I will see what I can do. Charlie

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12-26-2005, 08:22 PM

Posted By: FYSPersonally, I think the GEM Mint prices realized for the $100K cards must be included, but I am more interested in general rarity than condition rarity. Meaning, what is the highest paid prices for the lowest grade cards?

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12-26-2005, 08:40 PM

Posted By: DJRemember Vinnie? What if a "5" shows up tommorow? <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8729979472&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8729979472&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1</a</a> DJ

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12-26-2005, 08:51 PM

Posted By: John_B_CaliforniaHere's a list of some of the top sales at auction. <a href="http://www.thewagnercard.com/popupchart.html" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.thewagnercard.com/popupchart.html</a> There's also been a few others in the high 80s, low 90's (T206 Plank 7).

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12-26-2005, 09:56 PM

Posted By: MarkHere's a similar list, but slightly more comprehensive as it includes some private sales: <a href="http://www.collectors.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=3093" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.collectors.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=3093</a> Looks like you can add the Woods, the T206 Plank, the '51 Mantle, the CJ Jackson, and the Goudey Ruth.

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12-26-2005, 10:53 PM

Posted By: WPI do not think the Aaron rookie cracked 100K

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12-27-2005, 04:19 AM

Posted By: barrysloateI got 92K for an ungraded Lindstrom back in 1999. In that era that was really big money. The card was eventually graded PSA-3 and my guess is it would easily surpass 100K today.

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12-27-2005, 04:55 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisWally: The PSA SMR says that the first PSA 10 1954 Aaron sold for more than $100,000. It was the SECOND one that sold for $94k.

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12-27-2005, 05:21 AM

Posted By: bruce dorskind Privately at least three Four Base Hits (of Kelly and Ewing ) have traded at well over $100,000 The Just So of Cy Young in a 7 -9 condition (at least one exists) would easily break six figures A Walter Johnson Ramly in a "9" will come close A Joe Jackson T 210 in a PSA 8 or 8 would certainly do the trick In two or three years a Delong of Gehrig in 9 will be a $100K card And if you count the Boston Garter ad sheet of 4 which was issued as one card with four players (in accordian style) I have passed on offer well in excess of $150K. Any aaditional thoughts are welcomed Bruce

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12-27-2005, 05:32 AM

Posted By: Jay MillerThe unique Kalamazoo Bats cards of Ewing and Ward have had multiple bids way above this level.

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12-27-2005, 05:33 AM

Posted By: barrysloateBruce- Neither of the Four Base Hit Kellys have traded hands for 100K, as they have been in the possession of their current owners for many years; the only known Just So Cy Young would probably grade a 3 or perhaps a 4 on a good day; there is no known Ramly Johnson in a 9 or T210 Jackson in an 8 (the highest graded I believe is a 2), and I doubt a Delong Gehrig in 9 exists either. You are dealing in hypothetical sales and not real ones.

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12-27-2005, 06:00 AM

Posted By: leonI am curious where you get your data from? Do tell. You can email me privately if you want to....this should be interesting...thanks .... leon

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12-27-2005, 07:17 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisBruce: I can easily think of 1,000 "hypothetical" cards that would command more than $100,000 at auction, like a PSA 10 1914 Cracker Jack Matty or a PSA 10 T206 Cobb w/Cobb back (or probably ANY of the backs at that grade)... but I was trying to focus SOLELY on public auctions that have actually taken place. I am also trying to avoid PRIVATE SALES because of how nebulous and vague those are. If ONE person is a sucker and gets ripped off (i.e., the Tiger Woods card)... that does NOT give a true indication of the market value of the card like a public auction would.

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12-27-2005, 08:49 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisThe Plank & DiMaggio put the results up to 14: 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 10 1951 Bowman Mays PSA 9 1954 Topps Aaron PSA 10 1915 Sporting News Ruth PSA 8 1910 T210 Joe Jackson 1914 Baltimore News Ruth 1909 T206 Honus Wagner 1909 T206 Doyle variation 1887 California League Old Judge card (Dailey) 1933 Lajoie PSA 9 1933 Ruth PSA 9 1903 E107 Wagner 1941 Play Ball PSA 9 DiMaggio 1909 T206 Plank PSA 8 If you drop the amount down to $93,000... you can add: 1953 Topps Mays PSA 10 1953 Topps Mantle PSA 10 1932 US Caramel Lindstrom

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12-27-2005, 09:24 AM

Posted By: Miguel DanielsonDoes anyone have images or could they point me to a place that might have images of one or more of the cards from the 100K+ list? I'd be interested in cataloging them all with an image on my collecting blog. Thanks for any help! Regards, Miguel

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12-27-2005, 10:13 AM

Posted By: MartyI seem to remember reading on one of the boards about a Clemente Rookie card that was graded at Fort Washington and then sold in excess of 100K to Mr. Young.

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12-27-2005, 11:19 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisRemember what I said about one person overpaying for a card? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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12-28-2005, 02:32 PM

Posted By: Brent Butcher1954 Wilson Franks Ted Williams that John Branca bought a few years ago from Mastro. I think it sold for approx $110k. I believe the psa 10 Sport Kings Ty Cobb came close also. A 1935 National Chicle Bronco Nagurski graded psa 9 sold for $85k a few years ago on Ebay. I was also told by Gilbert Porter at the national that BMW cards reportedly sold his psa 9 N172 Kelly for $100k. Can you confirm this Mike or Brian?

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12-28-2005, 03:30 PM

Posted By: FYS"A 1935 National Chicle Bronco Nagurski graded psa 9 sold for $85k a few years ago on Ebay. I was also told by Gilbert Porter at the national that BMW cards reportedly sold his psa 9 N172 Kelly for $100k. Can you confirm this Mike or Brian?" Not sure about the Kelly, but the Nagurski was actually an SGC 96 and I believe it is the highest price paid for a football card. BMW was the sellers of the Nagurski.

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12-28-2005, 04:19 PM

Posted By: Anonymous..another 90k + recent sale..Mastro's Cobb Turkey Red...Icantbelievewhatijustbid..<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> <a href="<a href="http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=53670" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=53670</a>"

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12-28-2005, 05:17 PM

Posted By: AnonymousThe clemente rookie is a 1 of 1 and how is it that you are the authority that decides who may or maynot have overpaid for an item. The card sold in excess of 100K which was what you were looking for. If I remember correctly when Mr. Foglel paid 121K for the 1st mantle 10 (the first purchase) people thought he overpaid as well.

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12-28-2005, 05:34 PM

Posted By: barrysloateEverybody overpays for all rare and desirable baseball cards. It's how business is conducted. Does anyone dispute that?

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12-28-2005, 05:44 PM

Posted By: Brent ButcherNagurski was in a psa 9 holder when BMW first had it graded. They crossed it over to an sgc 96 right before they sold it. Had the under bidder won it the card would have been crossed back to psa. I know a lot of privately held cards would break the 6 figure mark but one that was recently graded that would go well into 6 figures would be the SGC 98 1914 CJ Joe Jackson.

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12-28-2005, 05:48 PM

Posted By: barrysloateIs it possible that that Jackson would approach seven figures? Given it would be virtually impossible to find even a single common graded 98, and that's a '14 Jackson, seems like it would sell in excess of 500K. Just speculating of course.

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12-28-2005, 07:24 PM

Posted By: leonYou need to identify yourself if we are going to have these kinds of discussions. Nothing personal it's the board rules...thanks much.....moderator dude