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11-25-2005, 04:06 PM

Posted By: RobertI have been selling a set of T206's on EBAY and there are about 10 people that have not paid and it has been over a month since the auctions have ended, I know that some of them are board members. I have sent neumerous invoices and contacted them with mostly no response. How long should I wait to post a negative feedback on them. And the part that sucks is once I do then they are most likely going to ding me in return. I have even reported unpaid to EBAY about a week ago and nothing has happened.

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11-25-2005, 04:08 PM

Posted By: BlackSoxFanLOL...good question, i think i'm one of them... let me know if you still haven't received payment.. i know i got the first one back b/c i miss addressed it and such.... also, i can get you paypal instantly so let me know! Sorry for the mix up. <EDITED TO ADD> The feedback thing is touchy. I have been available to you through email and phone ever since the auction ended. I don't think me being a member of the board has anything to do with it. People are obligated to pay in accordance with your terms, if you choose to leave me negative feedback that is your perogative as you are clearly within your rights. I WILL NOT leave you negative feedback regarding this transaction. People need to take responsibility for their actions. So for the rest of the people who have not been communicative ... the onus is on them! I don't remember the TOS of the item i won from you, BUT you might want to beef it up a bit. I know it's a detractor for some people, but in this world, you do need protection. Thanks Robert, you've been more than fair! Regards, Black Sox Fan - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - <a href="http://www.blacksoxfan.com" target="new" border="0"><img src="http://www.blacksoxfan.com/images/art/sig.jpg"></a> <a href=mailto:shoelessjoe@blacksoxfan.com?subject=Ne t54>email me</a>

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11-25-2005, 04:30 PM

Posted By: Charlie O'NealThe way I view no paying bidders. I don't leave negative feedback and just get my ebay fees returned. I will block the bidder from future auctions. By leaving negative feedback especially when it's an account that you sell from, if you have a bunch that pinches you back w/ feedback it looks negatively on you as a seller when you have a bunch of negatives no matter what the reason is. As a bidder if you have anything under 99.5% feedback and I don't know you I check your feeback overview to make sure the negatives were not in the past month and then go from there. I never actually look at the reason for the negative. Hope this helps Robert, One last thing to think about...You only take money orders for you auctions (which I have no problems with) if you start posting that you never got payment and the bidder says they sent it (just to get even) it could hurt your sales very quicky b/c potential bidders might think that you are just hording the money and not sending out the cards.

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11-25-2005, 04:39 PM

Posted By: dennisafter a few invoices and 3 -4 weeks (and no response)i don't think any bidder could get angry if you relisted the cards and asked ebay for (non-paying bidder)fees. leaving negative feedback should be done also, but i wouldn't advise, as you'll probably get retalitory neg. from the deadbeat.

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11-25-2005, 04:43 PM

Posted By: BlackSoxFanWell they might get pissed...but if they violated terms ... they have no leg to stand on! Robert was understanding with me! I hope he doesn't block me from future items, but i respect his decision if that is what he wants. Regards, Black Sox Fan - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - <a href="http://www.blacksoxfan.com" target="new" border="0"><img src="http://www.blacksoxfan.com/images/art/sig.jpg"></a> <a href=mailto:shoelessjoe@blacksoxfan.com?subject=Ne t54>email me</a>

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11-25-2005, 04:54 PM

Posted By: jay behrensDennis, it's exactly that thought process that makes eBay's feedback system almost worthless. I've never been afraid to leave negs. I've been on ebay since June97, have left more than a dozen negs and have only gotten two in return from those people. Besides, most people are savvy enough to figure when a neg is legit and when it's retaliatory. DON'T BE AFRAID TO USE eBay's FEADBACK SYSTEM THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED!!! Jay I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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11-25-2005, 05:28 PM

Posted By: Chris McI'm with Jay on this one. If you don't give accurate feedback the system does not help anyone. I recently had to give a negative feedback and was quite surprised when the person gave me positive feedback after they received their negative. If you let them go it's not fair to the rest who use the system. I check with sellers who have a few negative feedbacks to see if they were retaliation feedback or from a new user. Good luck!

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11-25-2005, 05:29 PM

Posted By: Brian EngelhardI agree with Jay. I have left two negatives for Non-paying bidders and fortunate enough not to get a negative in retaliation. However, I recognized it as a possibility but felt obligated to use the feedback system like it was meant to be used and provide other ebayers with the facts concerning the transaction. Brian E. edited to add: My TOS: contact me in 3 days, payment due in 14 days 1st bidder: No contact at all despite two emails and an invoice. After 14 days, I started the NPB process. Bidder was never active after my auction. 2nd bidder: 2 emails, ebay invoice and after 10 days bidder responded that the M.O was mailed. 30 days after auction closed, no money order received, bidder ignoring my emails yet still active on ebay and I filed a NPB compaint. All for a $7 item.

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11-25-2005, 05:36 PM

Posted By: RobertTed, You where not my main point of the subject I ahve about 7 people who have not paid and figured a few where from this board. I will get you yet another invoice with PAYPAL instructions since it's such a hassle for you to send out a check

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11-25-2005, 05:43 PM

Posted By: BlackSoxFanRobert - Thanks, it normally isn't a hassle with me ... as i was able to successfully send checks to others. You have been more than understanding with me and i appreciate it! Clearly the mess up was on my end. As for the direction this thread is heading... I'M OUTTIE! Regards, Black Sox Fan - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - <a href="http://www.blacksoxfan.com" target="new" border="0"><img src="http://www.blacksoxfan.com/images/art/sig.jpg"></a> <a href=mailto:shoelessjoe@blacksoxfan.com?subject=Ne t54>email me</a>

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11-25-2005, 05:44 PM

Posted By: Julie VognarI start sending e-mails!

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11-25-2005, 06:40 PM

Posted By: Keith10 days after the auction ends, I report the buyer as a non paying bidder. Usually that is enough to get the bidder to pay. If they pay and everything is settled, the buyer isn't penalized by ebay. If they don't pay - I think 3 of the nonpaying bidder notices gets them booted from ebay. If that process fails, I get my fees back from ebay and email the seller giving him 3 days before I leave negative feedback. I also state in the email that I have done everything I could to complete this transaction and the buyer has failed to meet his end. I tell him if he doesn't reply/pay in 3 days I'll be leaving negative feedback, and if they try to negative feedback unjustly back to me, they will be hearing from my lawyer for slander. I have left 3 or 4 negative feedbacks, and have yet to receive retaliation. If I did, I don't know if that lawyer thing would be worth it or work. Any lawyers on the board have opinions? Probably a waste of time and money, but I wonder if its been done before. KJ

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11-25-2005, 08:56 PM

Posted By: Bob PomillaRecently I got a non-payment alert from ebay. Found it odd, since I had already received the card. I pointed out to the seller, that since it was unlikely he was in the practice of sending out items to first time buyers without receiving payment first, he must have in fact, received my money order. He made some vague excuse and said that he would "take care of it". He then notified ebay that all was well because we had "agreed to complete the transaction." Well,the transaction was completed 2 weeks prior and it was obvious that he was just trying to cover his butt and was not man enough to admit his mistake. My point is, he never tried to contact me first, which if he had, we could have straightened this out without his unwarranted action. So sellers can be jerks too, which I guess, is really my main point. Oh he also promised to leave me positive feedback, for which I am still waiting.

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11-25-2005, 10:05 PM

Posted By: LarryAs a buyer and seller, I try to complete all transactions quickly. Due to circumstances, 10 days is generally the longest I will wait either way until I will nicely send reminder or e mail, after 3 tries, I will use contact info and call..If no response or person is rude, I will send an e mail to e bay and FVF will be only way to recoup loss of fees but time never gets reimbursed, I just add that buyer to my blocked bidder list. In case of negative feedback, any jerk is still entitled to their opinion and there is no way to "Sue" someone for negative feedback, you just have to respond to them and hopefully the reader of this feedback can see through the truth. Recently on our other e bay id, I had a guy renege on a 39 PB Williams and he told me on the phone.."I do not want card and you can sxxxx yourself even though I was very polite. I kept asking him "So why did you bid?" and before he hung up on me he mumbled he doesn't have to explain to me his reasons...Realizing this guy was a loser, I just realized that I would not waste anymore time. he was just recently naru'd ...I have another one now under the name superluigi81 that bid on E145 CJ and never paid me. He only has feedback of one and refuses to pay for card. Should I ruin my feedback to give him a negative, then he will retaliate... I will not even though I know I should, that is the problem of e bay...low feedback bidders or certainly zero feedback bidders should not be allowed to leave feedback retaliatory until they earned more than 10 positives. There is no way to "block" a zero or very low feedback bidder only those with -1 or greater or 2 unpaid strikes, I really would only allow zero feedback bidders if they e mail me first and ask to be allowed to bid, usuallly a good newcomer will do that. This is just my opinion but my biggest problems are with zero or less than 5 feedback bidders. When I first started, I always e mailed my name first and asked the seller to note that I was new but reliable, that is the right way to start.

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11-25-2005, 10:42 PM

Posted By: davidcyclebackI send out a non payment reminder as just that, a reminder. If the winner forgot about it and pays, that's fine. Everyone forgets stuff everyone once in a while. If they don't pay and don't respond for the specified duration, I do the non-payment deal. It's not to be vindictive. Rather, this is the only way the seller can get his fees back from eBay.

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11-26-2005, 03:49 AM

Posted By: KeithI am sure I would never take legal action, I just use that threat to try to keep them from retaliating. Now I think if I try to contact the buyer several times, go through ebays non paying bidder alert program and give the buyer ample time to pay, and then he retaliates to my negative feedback with his own, I would call that slander. Not the buyers "right" to leave feedback. If he doesn't respond to emails, he loses that right.

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11-26-2005, 06:25 AM

Posted By: warshawlawI usually just skip it when the bidder reneges. I figure (1) he/she is a dog anyway and (2) the item is just gonna be worth more later on so the stupidity os on them. If the fees are sufficient, I will apply for a credit and let the chips fall where they may with that. I rarely leave feedback; frankly, once your own feedback crosses a certain level there isn't much point to taking the time to leave feedback.

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11-26-2005, 11:20 AM

Posted By: davidcyclebackI should add that I send the reminder about 2-3 weeks after the auction and the non payment filing deal over a month after and after usually after there is no winner response. So I'm not one of those people who bitches after three days. One problem for winners is that I've got a lot of stuff and do not organize. If I get the money in a week I'll know where the winner's stuff is. If you wait two monthes, things may have moved from top layer to lower layer.

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11-26-2005, 11:25 AM

Posted By: Daniel BrettaAdam, are you saying that you don't leave feedback for any auctions anymore or just the ones that go awry?

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11-26-2005, 09:19 PM

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