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11-23-2005, 02:53 PM

Posted By: Jim ClarkeCobb started playing in 1905. I just can't agree with someone saying a "Rookie" card is 1909. Many people think Gehrig's rookie card is 1925 Exhibit. Why can't we say Ty Cobb's W600 Cabinet (1907) or a Dietsche Post Card would be his rookie? I can think of 8 other issues of Cobb before 1909 and I'm not including notebook covers. JC

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11-23-2005, 03:35 PM

Posted By: quanshould go in the pick-up thread though...and i'm not getting involved in the rookie card discussion <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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11-23-2005, 06:14 PM

Posted By: WPHate to throw cold water on things but the bottom edge looks funny to me.

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11-23-2005, 06:22 PM

Posted By: zachNice card but what gives with it no going in the recent pick up thread like everyone elses cards ? So if this stays does it give everyone the right to make a new thread about their recent purchases ? Is it allowed only because its a very expensive card? Please explain

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11-23-2005, 06:29 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthBottom edge does look...funny but nothing compared to the T206 Plank PSA 3 on ebay that may only have one original edge. That card could actually be considered a pentagon, possibly a hexagon.

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11-23-2005, 06:45 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasWally, I hate to throw cold water on your cold water but this card is full bordered and totally original. It was purchased in an antique store by the previous owner 5 years ago. Either way I stand behind the card 100%. Charlie

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11-23-2005, 07:31 PM

Posted By: zachSeems like this if anything should go in the bst. Just another dealer posting on the main board to make people aware of what he will have on ebay next week or sometime in the future which was said earlier along with taking offers.

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11-23-2005, 07:36 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasI am not sure I understand? I put a scan of a card up for display as many others do. I have received many offers but I never solicited any.

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11-23-2005, 07:42 PM

Posted By: WPCharlie, Maybe you can explain how you have an Ex upper left corner a decent upper right corner and two NM or better lower cornerrs. The bottom edge bows and is unusually flat. If I were to bet i would have to say that the card is trimmed. I also would not be surprised if this card measures short.

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11-23-2005, 07:45 PM

Posted By: zachI think you understand what i'm saying. First why didn't you post this in the normal recent pick up thread like everyone else ? It seems to me that you posted it here to aquire more attention so you would recieve offers for it which you posted earlier that you would be willing to look into. Also you said it maybe on ebay, then you went further into telling everybody the ebay name it will be under, if you're not trying to sell it then why do people need to know they ebay name it may be under ? Also, not everyone shows off their cards in a new thread, actully no one does.

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11-23-2005, 07:46 PM

Posted By: BrianCharlie, This post seems like a solicitation to me... "Re: TY COBB E92 CROFTS CANDY PICKUP!! November 23 2005, 5:38 PM I am accepting offers but I am also considering ebay. MANONTHEROCK gets pretty good auction results. "

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11-23-2005, 07:53 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasBrian, That was in response to another board member. I did not solicit that question. Charlie

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11-23-2005, 07:57 PM

Posted By: WPPurchased in an antique store 5 years ago? was it graded at the time? I believe that serial number indicates that the card was graded in 1996 or 1997. PSA used to use the 070 designation at shows and that it a low number for a 070.

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11-23-2005, 07:57 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasWally, You are entitled to you opinion but you are wrong. I find it funny that you can be so certain from a scan. Mike Baker the Head Grader at GAI (the Best Grader on the planet) will not even give me an opinion on a card from a scan only. Charlie

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11-23-2005, 07:57 PM

Posted By: cmokingWP thinks every card in a PSA holder is trimmed. Charlie, don't worry about him.

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11-23-2005, 07:58 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasWally, Are you saying that I am lying?

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11-23-2005, 07:59 PM

Posted By: zachThis thread needs to be deleted. Put it in the bst buddy, its obvious what you're doing.

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11-23-2005, 07:59 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasKing, Thanks. Charlie

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11-23-2005, 08:02 PM

Posted By: zachI like how you are ignoring me ? Why, because I am right. Why do you feel you are better than everyone and can post your card in a new thread ? BTW nice plug for your ebay auctions above.

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11-23-2005, 08:06 PM

Posted By: WPCharlie, I am just pointing out verifiable facts. Come to whatever conclusion you want to. Cmoking I do not think every PSA card is trimmed, far from it. I do point it out when I see one and there are plenty of obvious examples. Since its being implied that I am a PSA basher. I would like to point out that one of my favorite cards is JimBs E93 Mathewson PSA 8 as is the T3 Cobb PSA 8 in Mastronet.

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11-23-2005, 08:09 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasVerifiable facts? Thats funny. I have the card in my hand. The card is 100% not trimmed.

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11-23-2005, 08:09 PM

Posted By: cmokingI can be guilty of exaggeration. But in exaggeration, there is some truth.

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11-23-2005, 08:09 PM

Posted By: Josh K.First, let me say that Ive purchased cards from Charlie before and found him pleasant to deal with and have nothing negative to say. Second, regardless of motive (Im not going to assume one way or another), I do think that this should have been (a) put on the recent pick up thread if the point was to show off a great new card; or (b) put on b/s/t if the goal was to sell the card. Just my two cents.

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11-23-2005, 08:14 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasJosh, Thanks for the kind words. The goal was not to sell it but to start a disccusion about the card. It is not a common card and I was curious what the community would say about it. I guess I touched a nerve. I sincerely apologize. Charlie

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11-23-2005, 08:23 PM

Posted By: Josh K.Charlie, You're welcome - now, I would like to hear more discussion (as long as we have this thread) on that bottom edge. Personally, I think the card looks full bordered. However, I also see a slight curve to the bottom edge. Is that just the camera playing tricks on us? Frankly, Id take the card regardless - so if you want to just send it my way, feel free <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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11-23-2005, 08:29 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasJosh, The card is straight. This card was found and graded by someone outside of the hobby. Thats the provedence. As far as the bottom edge, I have looped it and it looks 100% original. I stand behind that claim with my entire reputation and would buy the card back if SGC or GAI said it was trimmed. But it is 100% not trimmed. Charlie

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11-23-2005, 08:48 PM

Posted By: JimBAs best as I can see from the scan, the card looks fine and full bordered to me. The bottom corners are a little nicer than the top two, but it is not uncommon for two corners to be nicer than the opposite two on a card. As has been mentioned however, it is usually very tough to say from a photo, unless it is a really bad trim job. JimB

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11-23-2005, 09:07 PM

Posted By: AlanIt's funny how every "expert" in the hobby/business comes out of the woodwork, saying the all too familiar "the bottom border doesn't look right to me." you know what WP, the bottom border NEVER looks right to you. And it probably wouldn't look right to you unless it was sitting in your collection. Then, I am sure everything would be just fine. I am sick and tired of you clowns with your opinions based solely on the SCAN of a card on a bulletin board. The man posted his card on a forum, and he stands behind it. PSA stands behind it. You can go ahead and cite your exceptions to the general rule that the grading companies know what they are doing. Go ahead, show me all the obvious examples, show me the less than 1/10th of 1/100th of 1/1000th of a percent of the time that the grading companies screw up. You, and all the other clowns on ebay who think their cards are undergraded and everyone else's are overgraded, or trimmed can stick it. You ruin the hobby for people with your constant bellyaching about every else's cards. Continue to sit in your house in your underwear staring at all your wonderful cards constantly telling yourself that yours are the best and that everyone else's are worthless trimmed junk. Ban me. I don't give a good goddamn. The only trimming going on around here is what's going to happen tomorrow when I have my turkey with all the trimmings. Get it? It's a joke son. Just like you.

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11-23-2005, 09:16 PM

Posted By: LarryCharlie... It is a great card, those of us that have appreciation for reliable dealers know you are ethical and hard nosed about altered cards and stand behind what you sell... This does not mean that you are the only one that feels strongly about being reliable... nor does it mean that they are not entitled to their opinions but there is no doubt that the "man on the rock" has a rock solid card, a classic pose of the great Ty Cobb, nice find Charlie... No one can determine without a doubt if a card was trimmed in the holder, only speculate but "E" cards are the most notorius for bad factory cuts or inconsistant original cuts.

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11-23-2005, 09:16 PM

Posted By: David VarghaIt does look like it dips into the lower left corner (which doesn't seem to match the other three). It may just be the scan, but who knows? Regardless, it is slabbed and the caveat to "buy the holder and not the card" still applies as always here as on any card. (And this comes from a poster who is accused of being a PSA shill.) DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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11-23-2005, 09:20 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasLarry, Thanks for the kind words. I learned about ethics in this business from veterans like you. Charlie

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11-23-2005, 09:45 PM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffCharlie, Why do you keep ignoring Zach's posts? Answer: because he's right. -Ryan

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11-23-2005, 09:51 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthLarry I know Charlie and have done business with him and my comment in no way had any reflection of him. He is a terrific guy from my limited experience with him. He did not grade the card, PSA did. I think a couple of us made a comment about the bottom edge looking irregular. I do not think any of us were implying that Charlie trimmed the card and, printed out a PSA 6 flip and glued a holder closed with the card in it. Greg

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11-23-2005, 09:53 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasWhat am I ignoring? I am not trying to sell the card. Its a very rare card and I wanted to engage in a discussion about it. If the moderator wants to delete it that is his choice. But I have seen many threads very similar to this one.

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11-23-2005, 09:57 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasGreg, Thanks for the kind words. The point is that many cards may look trimmed from the scan but having the card in my hand gives me an advantage to tell you beyond a reasonable doubt that it is not trimmed. Besides as I said this card came from outside the hobby with a reliable story to back it up. I think it was a cheap shot by Wally to just flippantly say that the card is trimmed because the bottom edge looks a little funny. Additionally, I am not trying to sell the card and when I do try and sell it as with all my other auctions or transactions I will stand behind the card 100%. Scott Solakian says hi and FYI he does not think it is trimmed either. Charlie

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11-23-2005, 10:16 PM

Posted By: ShannonGreat card looking card Charlie. Wont get into anything else about the card being trimmed or whatever else was thrown out there. Bottom line the card belongs in the recent pick up thread. Still a super looking Cobb.

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11-23-2005, 11:04 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthCharlie, Tell Scott I say hi. Scott knows cards and I respect his opinion. Certainly it could be the scan or the way the card is situated in the holder that is giving the illusion of an irregular look. I do not doubt your provenance on the card but that does not mean that cards were not cut by kids back when issued. Anyway, the card is holdered and as we can all see by the T206 Plank PSA 3 that is on ebay, once a card is encapsulated it really does not matter what any of us idiots on the sidelines think. Good luck with whatever you decide to do with it. Greg

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11-24-2005, 12:43 AM

Posted By: leonI have emailed Charlie. No harm no foul.....yes, this probably should have gone in the BST area but Charlie wanted to talk about it. (Hi Charlie). He hasn't been on the board that long and this is a gray area, a little bit. Let's be careful of these in the future. Ya'll need to simmer down a little and give the gentleman a break too. regards

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11-24-2005, 12:52 AM

Posted By: jay behrensThis should have gone into the recent pick up thread, just like my e101 Wagner did. It may be the highest graded, blah blah blah, but BFD. It's not a marque card. It's not something new to hobby, so why should it get its own thread? I have a number of cards in my collection that are rarer than this card, but I don't go starting threads about them. The only one's I came close to were the uncatalogued e104-3s I acquired and I just put them in another thread about uncatalogued cards. You are a dealer and I am sure that you were well aware that starting a seperate thread would generate finanacial interest in the card. If you had posted it in the recent pick ups thread, it would have most likely not garnered the attention that starting a thread would. Personally, I'd like see the thread deleted. There is no need to start a new thread looking for comments on the card. People comment cards in the recent pick up thread all the time. I say delete the thread. Jay I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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11-24-2005, 01:12 AM

Posted By: Brian C DanielsCharlie-thanks for selling me the E-93 Bender I needed. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> NOW-sell me the Cobb!

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11-24-2005, 05:59 AM

Posted By: LyleALWAYS know the motive of others .Jay ,I wish you can teach me that 100% infallible mind reading skill sometime .It would really help me in my profession as a child psychiatrist .I guess when I was growing up in Minnesota I must have missed that course . Great card , Charlie ! Enjoy it fully .

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11-24-2005, 08:35 AM

Posted By: JimBBrian, Charlie, What E93 Cobb is that? JimB

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11-24-2005, 08:53 AM

Posted By: Ryan ChristoffLyle, In this particular case, you don't need telepathy to know the seller's motives. The question was asked "Charlie: What are your plans for the card?" The seller's response was "I am accepting offers but I am also considering ebay. MANONTHEROCK gets pretty good auction results." This means he is clearly SELLING THE CARD. If I'm excited about a card in my collection and I want to share it with others, my response to that question is "My plans are to keep the card in my collection." or "I have no plans for the card." He gave two possible options: 1. He will sell the card privately by accepting offers. 2. He will sell the card on ebay. He even made sure we knew exactly what his ebay name was so we could look for it. None of those options include him not selling the card. His post was spam, plain and simple. This doesn't mean he's a bad guy or unethical as there seem to be many board members who have had successful transactions with him. It just means he's obviously selling the card and was from the beginning. -Ryan

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11-24-2005, 09:18 AM

Posted By: LyleHis comments about selling the Cobb was in response to the previous poster who asked him his plans for the card not in his 1st , 2nd , or 3rd post . Give the guy a break...he was excited to share a nice card .

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11-24-2005, 11:13 AM

Posted By: jay behrensLyle, I also grew in MN. I never missed a day of school from K-12. You must of missed the day the they offered the course <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14> He may not have mentioned it in his first 3 posts, but his obvious intention is to sell the card. As Ryan pointed out, he his only options on what he was doing with the card was resale. He has never once said he had any intention of having the card reside in his collection. I'm all for cutting people slack, but when it's something so blantant as this, you don't get any slack. Besides, when Zach started calling him out on it, he just kept dodging the question. If he really was making the post to show off a new card in his collection he would immediately responded with something to effect that even though I want to keep the card, I have been overwhelmed with incredible offers that are making me rethink my position. He made it quite clear his itention from the get-go was to sell the card where you could find it on eBay if he didn't make a private sale. Most of us long time posters to the board have a pretty good feel for legit "check out what I just got" or "what do you think about this card" and similar posts with the alterior motive to sell a card or hype a personal card in a major auction. As the old saying goes, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. Jay I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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11-24-2005, 11:49 AM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasJay, Who are you? You don't know me or my intentions. If you don't like this thread, go to another thread. I have been following these boards for along time. You are a negative person with negative things to say. I buy and sell many cards but I had never seen this card in this condition nor has anybody else because it does not exist. So I put a scan of it up harmlessly and because you have way too much negative time on your hands, you became very aggressive. I never once solicited the card for sale. I was asked by someone that I had done business with in the past what my intentions were and I answered the question. I think you might want to back off and or bring in up with me in person.

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11-24-2005, 12:17 PM

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11-24-2005, 12:23 PM

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11-24-2005, 12:27 PM

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11-24-2005, 12:32 PM

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11-24-2005, 12:34 PM

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11-24-2005, 12:38 PM

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11-24-2005, 12:40 PM

Posted By: bigfishI am not calling you anything and am really sorry i got involved in this post. I have better thinga to do. Charlie, you should have contacted me after the purchase for a refund. That is the bottom line. I would have given you one and offered you one. Instead, you left me a negative. That is wrong. And that is all I have to add to the mess. I made my point to you and hold no grudge. Just wish you did things differently. I actually would have bid on a bunch of your cards. I have deleted my posts. ty

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11-24-2005, 02:00 PM

Posted By: zachLast post-"I have been following these boards for along time." So, this kinda proves you know how the board works and you made a point of it. Don't try to play the whole i'm new here so don't know what to say when though maybe you don't post much, you do know the rules and what goes where.

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11-24-2005, 02:50 PM

Posted By: jay behrensCharlie, you just keeping digging a deeper hole every time you post. Zach is correct, if you have been a long time reader of this board, then there absolutely NO EXCUSE for starting a seperate thread for your card. You can call me negative if you like, but I'm calling a spade, a spade. Hopefully, next time you'll show some more class and post your new acquitions in the proper thread. Your card, unlike my card below, is not a new find to the hobby, just the highest grade. To many of, we don't really care about "the highest graded". <img src="http://www.attic2cash.net/cards/hofnlan.jpg"> Jay I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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11-24-2005, 04:09 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanJay: What are your plans for that card? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Jeff

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11-24-2005, 05:56 PM

Posted By: jay behrensactually, more than likely it will end up in the REA auction. Still working out a few details. Jay I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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11-24-2005, 06:54 PM

Posted By: Julie Vognar<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/Smiles_smiley_62_prv.gif">

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11-24-2005, 07:00 PM

Posted By: identify7Julie: We are trying to make sure that nobody notices Charlie's card - for some reason.

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11-24-2005, 08:18 PM

Posted By: bigfishwho cares

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11-24-2005, 08:39 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasJay, Every person I have talked to privately on this board has backed up my experience with there own personal horror story in regard to you. I look forward to meeting you in person at show. Somehow I know you won't treat me with that kind of disrespect to my face. Its Ironice that you listed a card only to resond to a question regarding your plans for it. Only to reveal that it might part from your personal collection within the next 50 years. Maybe as soon as the next REA, according to you. The last thing I have to say is, why is holding a card in your "personal collection" so much more high and mighty than a person who plans to buy sell or trade a card to make money. Where does it say that a person who makes money buying and selling baseball cards is a loser versus a "stud" like you who is still complaing at baseball cards not coming in penny packs anymore. You are a luddite. Move on. The card world has passed you bye. The hobby is bigger than 5 people who huddle around all there cards "el natural" with out any evil, sinful grading companies and card dealers.

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11-24-2005, 08:53 PM

Posted By: Daniel BrettaWhen a thread turns to the point where people are saying "You won't say that to my face" it's gone way too far. It's a great looking card, it's pretty obvious that he was showing it off, and he does intend to sell it. It doesn't need to degrade into insults and threats. And Charlie, I've met Jay and I doubt he has a violent bone in his body, but he is a big dude.

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11-24-2005, 09:46 PM

Posted By: Mike PugedaMy question is for Zach and Jay B. Why does Charlie posting this in a separate thread cause such an uproar with you? Probably should go to BST, but what's the big deal? Even if he posted it with intentions to sell, it's not as if he has done this repeatedly and been warned. If you're not losing any sleep or money over it, then I just don't get it. Like Charlie said, if you don't like the thread, don't participate in it. On a final note, I have read many more offensive threads than this, where people tell others to F--- off, tell others they should start heroin or where others bring up other peoples personal lives, but I don't recall you taking such offense to those people. I don't know you Charlie, but I don't think what you did was all that wrong. Mike Pugeda

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11-24-2005, 09:58 PM

Posted By: zachOk here's my reasoning. He states he has been following the board for a long time. He should know this goes in the recent pick up thread. IMO since he is a dealer this was not put in the recent pick up thread but a new thread to draw more attention to it. Though answering a question about if he was going to sell it he could have just said maybe or please email me, this doesn't belong in this part of the board. Did he ? No he didn't. He also managed to put in a nice plug for his ebay auctions, manontherock. Its way too obvious, a dealer posting on the main board to attract more views and potential bids on his card.

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11-24-2005, 10:02 PM

Posted By: Mike PugedaZach, I do agree with your reasoning, my only stance is that there are much more important things in life to get worked up about, and this isn't one of them. Mike Pugeda

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11-24-2005, 10:34 PM

Posted By: Julie Vognar<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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11-24-2005, 10:54 PM

Posted By: jay behrensThere is a reason that many of us have taken offense to the post, the board has rules. If you let Charlie slide with one post, there are 500 plus regualr visitors to the this board that should be allowed to post cards they intending to sell in their own seperate thread. If that is the case, how in the world are we going to find the threads that really have something to talk about? The recent pick-up thread and BST area exist for a reason. For someone that claims to be a long time reader of the board to circumvent the board rules doesn't speak highly of that person. Charlie, I can be a total sweetheart in person. I can also be an in your face, call you on your BS kind of person too when I am in public. I don't try to win populatiry contests. Most people either like me or hate. Doesn't matter to me either way, but I'll never pull a punch just to make someone feel better or make myself look good. I couldn't respect myself if I did. Mike Wentz and I had more than a few heated exchanges here, but when we met at the National this year not bad word was exchanged. I probably spent more time talking with him than anyone else. Exchanges here need to be taken with a grain of salt, but there is also some reality behind the way a person posts. As I said before, I personally think Leon dropped the ball on this one. It should have been nipped in the bud right away and moved to the recent pick-up thread. Then all of this would have been avoided. Now that the precedent has been set, does everyone get a free pass to start a thread about cards they selling on the main board? Jay Jay I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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11-24-2005, 10:55 PM

Posted By: zachAlso to further this, Leon stated that the poster just wanted to talk about the card. hmmmm his posts after his first post didn't have any talk except a nice sale pitch. "I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS IS CONSIDERED ONE OF COBB'S ROOKIE CARD!! AND THE HIGHEST AND ONLY PSA 6 GRADED!!" If this isn't a sale pitch but is a way to introduce talk about a card then please tell me. Then two posts later he adds a nice plug for his ebay items.

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11-24-2005, 11:38 PM

Posted By: Charlie BarokasZach, Have you been to my ebay store or see any my auctions? If you had you would have known that if I wanted to sell this card, I would have auctioned by now or put it for sale in my store. Every single card I have for sale is put into the store immediately. The card is not in my ebay store or in an auction on ebay. As far as your complaint that I plugged ebay, just the other Brian Drent plugged his auction and himself in a brand new thread. I plugged my ebay account indirectly and I might mention, it does not need to be plugged. You also keep mentioning that I said that I have been on the board for awhile. That is a true statement, Robert Bresdo told me to try it out about six months ago. I only read the board to learn. I don't card nor have I take the time to study the nuances. These rules seem to be like John Candys in stripes, "the guy on the bottom bunk makes the guy on the top bunks bed, no if we were in Germany you'd have to make my bed". It should not be so convoluted, I put a picture of a card up that I was interesting in discussing and from there I answered a question that was directed at me. I did state that among my choices, ebay was an option and god forbid under my ebay auction. The insinuation sent Zach, into absolute talespin. I feel insulted and ganged up on. I cannot say that I would recommend this experience to anyone. I think Zach and Jay should right up a disclaimer that new users would have to sign in order to be a part of the community. Zach and Jay have embarrassed themselves. I also love to engage in heated discussions or arguments but not like this. This was a well orchstrated ambush. Please do not try and approach me at a show and laugh this off without a sincere apology.

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11-24-2005, 11:47 PM

Posted By: jay behrensCharlie, you are joke. All you had to was admit you made a mistake, instead you play yourself the victim. We've seen that senario often enough from people with alterior motives behind their posts. FAQs exist for a reason. Sitting back reading the board for 6 months should have clued you in that what you have done here was inappropriate. Instead, you play the vicitim as if you did nothing wrong. I stongly suggest you read the FAQ and become familiar with it, no is going buy the poor ignorant newbie excuse anymore. Don't expect an apology, you'll never get one from me and I doubt you disliking me from this pont on will not make one bit of difference in my life. Jay I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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11-24-2005, 11:49 PM

Posted By: zachCharlie, don't worry I won't be coming up to you at a show. Your cards aren't really my cup of tea. You say I should write a set of rules for new guys because obviously the new guy gets it bad. This is what your saying but you are not NEW and have stated that fact over and over again. btw you still havent posted this in the new items thread.

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11-25-2005, 06:57 AM

Posted By: leonI know both of ya'll personally so I guess I can say a few things. First of all leave Charlie alone. His minor mistake was not that big of a deal in my eyes. There are more things to worry about than someone posting something that is in a gray area in a thread. Charlie and I have chatted via private email and he knows now. Leave it alone. Ya'll say this sets a precedent. No it doesn't. Why? Because I am sitting here moderating the darn board and think I can take care of any "future" precedents regarding this subject. On many occasions I let stuff go because the motive looks innocent. It's a judgement call but in my eyes this thread was innocent and ya'll turned it into a battle. Those are my opinions but I really didn't want to jump back in. I don't want Charlie to leave after the way ya'll have treated him so felt the need to respond. For what it's worth I am trying to keep the board a little more civil nowadays and would appreviate some help. Zach- let your dad read this thread and see what he thinks....then get back to me...I consider you a friend as well as Jay so ya'll don't take this stuff too personally....I just want a nice easy going place to talk about vintage baseball cards...that's all..regards

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11-25-2005, 07:53 AM

Posted By: ChrisThree cheers to moderator dude! Let's all lighten up guys. I know we love em to death but they are just baseball cards. They shouldn't affect world peace. Nobody is perfect. we all make mistakes. No need to flog each other every time it happens. As my Grandpa would say, I'm to dumb to be right all the time so I allow others to be wrong some of the time.

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11-25-2005, 08:22 AM

Posted By: David VarghaZach is cool by me. DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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11-25-2005, 09:32 AM

Posted By: jay behrensLeon is gonna need to bring Scott B with him if plans on spanking me <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14> I kid my mom that she lost control of me in the 3rd grade because that's when I got bigger than her. Jay I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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11-25-2005, 09:37 AM

Posted By: leonI am 44 and if I am going to spank anybody it's going to be a girl, and not in a an angry fashion <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> (in my dreams)....

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11-25-2005, 10:22 AM

Posted By: Brian C DanielsLeon-how's the comb I sent you 6 years ago? Happy Holidays~ Charles,did you see Jay's E-92 Oakes card in the "show me your best E card" thread?? Don't mess with him or his collection! Actually, guys,in all fairness,Charles sold the Cobb so he is not trying to sell it now to anyone.Some powerful humble card collector probably is spinning it in his hand as he reads this guff right now. I'm happy for him,wish I had the card.