How could PSA give this a 4?

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Posted By: <b>Jason Kaster</b><p>How could PSA grade this a 4 when it is missing the bottom portion of the card with the team name?<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/1919-W514-35-Lefty-Williams-BLACK-SOX-PSA-4-1-2-graded_W0QQitemZ8727046546QQcategoryZ31718QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/1919-W514-35-Lefty-Williams-BLACK-SOX-PSA-4-1-2-graded_W0QQitemZ8727046546QQcategoryZ31718QQssPage NameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem</a>

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>This is not the first time PSA has missed a card's bottom line. A few years ago Lew Lipset tongue in cheek auctioned off a PSA-encapsulated N172 with the ad trimmed off (we all got a good laugh out of that one). I guess the kids at PSA just missed another one...

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Posted By: <b>bigfish</b><p>they charge alot of money but the quality it piss poor

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/t202yuk.JPG"> <br /><br />Close-up of T202 "A Desparate Slide for Third", now residing in a PSA 4 holder...<br /><br /><img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14> <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>JudgeDred (Fred)</b><p>Julie,<br /><br />Are you sure that's in a 4 holder? I couldn't imagine... well, maybe I could but I'd be a little disappointed if I were to really see something so obviously wrong in a 4 holder.

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Posted By: <b>WP</b><p>These guys are so scary does anyone have a picture of the full size card? Julie that card looks Fair or maybe Good.

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Posted By: <b>JudgeDred (Fred)</b><p>Looking closely at the picture it's possible that someone could have folded that flap of paper over and made it look like there was nothing wrong with the card. In any case, you would have figured that <br /><br />1) the flap of paper was not disturbed or that the modification was disclosed to the grader or <br /><br />2) the grader would have found the problem with the card

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Posted By: <b>JudgeDred (Fred)</b><p>Adam,<br /><br />Was the N172 with the bottom clipped a Billy Sunday card graded a PSA 1?

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>I don't collect them so I did not pay attention other than to have a good laugh at the infallible one's error.

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>There is one definite typing error in the list (a "Too Late for Devlin" (Devlin--Giants) is listed twice--once as a 6 and once as a 4. So perhaps this is another typing error. I have alerted Rob Lifson that anyone winning the card as a 4 would be sorely disappointed, and he said he would look at it when it arrioved--oh, the cards have not gotten back, only the list. <br /><br />I never scanned the WHOLE card--oh, this is MY card, sent with 106 others to REA for auction. Only 28 were chosen by REA for grading, and PSA was used because "T202 collectors like PSA." Really...?<br /><br />The reason the card was chosen for grading is that Cobb was on it. First, Lifson went through the cards and picked out the nicest=looking cards, regardless of player pictured. Then he went back and got all the Cobbs, the two Johnsons and (I think) all the Mattys. Most of the Speakers (my favorite Speaker is missing from the list, though...) <br /><br />No attempt was made to disguise the fact that a piece of the lithograph of Cobb was torn, and the torn piece, hanging on to the Cobb still, was stuck, probably in folding the card, onto the center photo. I know grading companies are not too swift on the actual PICTURES on the cards they grade, but this particular Cobby is very green around the gills...sorta seasick looking.<br />I suppose it should be said that the rest of the card, as i remember, is quite nice..but who would care? <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>