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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>...I'm done with Sergio. He treats me like a ragdoll.<br /><br />On Thursday, November 3rd, 2005, I received the auction items I won back in April, meaning Sergio Delgado has paid the auction invoice and paid the full amount he agreed to pay within 30 days of the contract he signed on April 15th. <br /><br />I promised I would post when it happened, so here it is. <br /><br />I'm reluctant to say he's paid what he owes me, but he did pay the amount that was in the contract that Jorge Marce wrote up for us. <br /><br />Basically, I had the privilege of giving Sergio a 6-month, interest-free, $40,000 loan which he then used to buy more cards for his collection. <br /><br />I hope you spent my money wisely, Sergio. I know I would have. <br /><br />-Ryan

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p>I suppose that in terms of being screwed, you came out relatively unscathed. You were far more patient than I would have been, Ryan and you are a man of your word to post the outcome.<br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>And I am also thankful that you had the nards to take this issue public. You may have gotten some crap for it but you also may have saved someone else from dealing with that character.

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>I may be wrong...<br /><br />but I think the only reason this came available for me was because Sergio beat around the bush with Leland's:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.lewisbaseballcards.com/classes/baseBallCard/images/1166Lg.jpg"><br /><br />Maybe Ryan knows?

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Your Smith, too!<br /><br />-Ryan

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p><img src="http://www.lewisbaseballcards.com/classes/baseBallCard/images/1185Lg.jpg"><br /><br />In that case...<br /><br />THANKS BIG TIME to Ryan for having the guts to force Sergio's hand and to make him either "pay up" or "miss out"!!<br /><br />Heck, I would LOVE to be able to buy everything at auction that interests me by using an INTEREST-FREE loan from the auction house via a friend (like Ryan)...<br /><br />but I never thought this was possible.<br /><br /><br />If you don't pay on time ... you lose.<br /><br />NOBODY should be able to buy things as auction on LAY-AWAY!!<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Al Crisafulli</b><p>Ryan:<br /><br />Not only did you come out relatively unscathed, as David said, but you managed to quote a decent song lyric in the process.<br /><br />I'm glad it worked out, despite how long it took and how much anguish it caused.<br /><br />-Al

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>As a lawyer I know you know to watch your words a little better than that. Some auction houses WANT you to do a lay away thing. In that case it's a win win....However, in Ryan's case, it was a lose-lose....and that isn't good....Don't be raggin' on acceptable layaways <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>How can an auction house pay the consignor if the buyer is paying on layaway?<br /><br />That would concern me.

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Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>Not just talking about Lelands, but how often does the auction house own the item they are auctioning? I know Lifson doesn't as a stated rule, but I've seen others buying up items for auction on set up days at shows. I would think they'd be more likely to accept layaways on house owned lots.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Hard to believe but many auction houses own the stuff they are auctioning therefore can do layaway..... I could name 3 major auction houses that I know do it from personal experience...though I haven't taken them up on it. They offered it as an option though. And they are 3 we all know and love...regards

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Posted By: <b>Josh</b><p>I have no problem telling people that we buy items to include in our own auction. I think it's smart to do it that way. To be honest, if we had to totally rely on consignment items for our auction, there is virtually no way to make enough money to recoup the costs of the catalog production, mailing, salaries, etc...<br /><br />As for a "lay-away" policy, I guess it would have to be run on a case by case basis. So far, we haven't had anyone approach us with it, and I'm not too keen on the idea; but if it was a good customer, who we knew was good for the money, I'd consider it.<br /><br />Just a different perspective on the topic.<br /><br />Josh

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Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/110103_diving_prv.gif"><br /><br />So: Ryan got the c ards he won at acution, six months ago...great.<br /><br />But..where do Hal's Josh Gibson and Smith fit in? Were they cards the Sergio won but couldn't afford?

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Posted By: <b>JudgeDred (Fred)</b><p>Julie,<br /><br />The lyrics are from a song called "Jane says" by a group called Jane's Addiction. <br /><br />Nice lyric selection Ryan. Happy to hear "it all worked out"... yikes, too much to deal with...

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Yes, Julie, that is my understanding of the situation.<br /><br />Ryan won some cards from Leland's that he could not receive until Sergio paid for them (which apparently has finally happened)...<br /><br />but Sergio also won some cards for HIMSELF that he could not receive until paying for them...<br /><br />and apparently Lelands opted for a "sure thing" sale to me rather than waiting another few months for money that "might" come.

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Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Hal,<br /><br />I'm really hoping not to drag any of the auction houses into this, but I'll try to briefly explain what happened without going into too much detail. <br /><br />I won the cards (that I just received) from a different auction house. Not Leland's. Leland's only enters the equation because I knew that Sergio was a bidder there, as well as other auctions. Knowing how Sergio does business with this one auction house, I figured he probably did the same thing with all of the others, without any of them knowing about the other. I mentioned to Leland's how Sergio was handling the situation with me as a cautionary tale in case he might owe them as well. <br /><br />I can't say who decided what or how the next few steps happened, but you got some cards, and they got paid for them, so it was win-win. <br /><br />All of these things are just examples of Sergio sleeping in the bed he made for himself.<br /><br />-Ryan<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Man...<br /><br />I OWE YOU a bigger "thank you" than I thought!!!<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />I may have to give you my precious 1910 Pete Hill card.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>I wanna thank you too..<br />...for playing that damn song in my head all afternoon.<br />....Jane says <br />I'm going away to spain when i get my money saved<br />I'm gonna start tomorrow<br /><br />I'm gonna kick tomorrow...<br />I'm gonna kick tomorrow...<br />

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Posted By: <b>JudgeDred (Fred)</b><p>Well, here's the rest of the song... now lets see you get rid of it...<br /><br />Jane says <br />I'm done with Sergio <br />He treats me like a ragdoll <br />She hides<br />The television <br />Says I don't owe him nothing, <br />But if he comes back again <br />Tell him to wait right here for me<br />Or just<br />Try again tomorrow<br />I'm gonna kick tomorrow<br />Gonna kick tomorrow<br /><br />Jane says <br />Have you seen my wig around? <br />I feel naked without it<br />She knows <br />They all want her to go <br />But that's O.K. man<br />She dont like them anyway <br />Jane says <br />She's goin away to spain<br />When she gets my money saved<br />I'm gonna start tomorrow<br />I'm gonna kick tomorrow<br />Gonna kick tomorrow<br /><br />She gets mad<br />Starts to cry <br />She takes a swing but<br />She cant hit<br />She don't mean no harm <br />She just don't know<br />What else to do about it<br /><br />Jane goes<br />To the store at 8:00<br />She walk up on St. Andrews <br />She waits<br />And gets her dinner there <br />She pulls her dinner<br />From her pocket<br />Jane says <br />I've never been in love<br />I don't know what it is <br />Only knows if someone wants her<br />I want them if they want me<br />I only know they want me<br /><br />She gets mad<br />And she starts to cry<br />She takes a swing man<br />She cant hit!<br />She don't mean no harm <br />She just dont know<br />What else to do about it<br /><br />Jane says<br />Jane says<br />

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Posted By: <b>pete</b><p>was caught stealing...once<br />when i was five...<br /><br />maybe sergio should consider this song instead

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Posted By: <b>BlackSoxFan</b><p>more importantly<br /><br /><a href="http://www.content.loudeye.com/scripts/hurl.exe?clipid=003301701070006550&cid=600111" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.content.loudeye.com/scripts/hurl.exe?clipid=003301701070006550&cid=600111</a><br /><br /><br><br>Regards,<br /><br />Black Sox Fan<br /><br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br /><a href="http://www.blacksoxfan.com" target="new" border="0"><img src="http://www.blacksoxfan.com/images/art/sig.jpg"></a><br /><a href=mailto:shoelessjoe@blacksoxfan.com?subject=Ne t54>email me</a>

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Posted By: <b>Josh Adams</b><p>You all do know what this song is about, right? That's why I laughed when I say the original post.<br />Glad things worked out for you Ryan, and thanks for the update. <br /><br /><br><br>Go Go White Sox<br />2005 World Series Champions!

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Posted By: <b>BlackSoxFan</b><p>Well... let's just put it this way...it's not really applicable to the situation... hehehe<br><br>Regards,<br /><br />Black Sox Fan<br /><br />- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -<br /><a href="http://www.blacksoxfan.com" target="new" border="0"><img src="http://www.blacksoxfan.com/images/art/sig.jpg"></a><br /><a href=mailto:shoelessjoe@blacksoxfan.com?subject=Ne t54>email me</a>