CAN SOMEONE HELP?---EBay: A seller has a 1915 Cracker Jack Ty Cobb & Shoeless Joe $4500+

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Posted By: <b>Darryl</b><p><br /> <br />There is a seller who has a 1915 Cracker Jack Ty Cobb & Shoeless Joe $4500+.<br />Thinking about bidding as I need both of them do they look worth it as they do not appear to be graded??<br />If anyone can help me.<br />It would be greatly appreciated.<br />EBay # for the auction is 8723244107.<br />Actually there are 6 1915 Cracker Jack all together in the auction. <br />If anyone can give me a round about grading number on them just as they appear in the photos. It would be a big help.<br />Thanks All<br /><br />Try this link:<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8723244107&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1#ebayphotohosting" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8723244107&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1#ebayphotohosting</a> <br />

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Posted By: <b>William Heitman</b><p>They look terrible and just about ungradable

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Posted By: <b>Darryl</b><p>Thanks. I feel a little better with a few suggestions before I bid. What would be a good offer???

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Posted By: <b>Darryl</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1131951103.JPG"> <br /><br />Here are the cards.<br />What is a decent offer?? I can give this seller so I can link him to this forum post to show that my offer is fair.

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Posted By: <b>Ben</b><p>maybe you should ask the seller for better scans before deciding on what your offer should be. That scan is small and blurry - Cobb and Jackson CJ's deserve their own scans c'mon!

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Posted By: <b>Darryl</b><p>There is a scan on the Ebay site of just the big two alone and he did send me a better scan. Just I can not post it here too big

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Posted By: <b>Darryl</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1131952399.JPG"> <br /><br />Here is what he has on the site. He is up in Canada I bet I could offer him a case of Coors and some old Guy Lafleur cards. Just kiddin.

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Posted By: <b>Darryl</b><p>Backs<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1131953026.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Ben</b><p>If he's a true Canadian, he's definitely not drinking Coors, I can tell you that much <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Low feedback rating combined with private auction, and a $4750 start bid are red flags to me. There are alot of great Canadian ebayers out there, but I'm not convinced this is one of them.

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>I am not being abnormally skeptical or anything, but his last known sale were these:<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1131954477.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Darryl</b><p>Actually I am not questioning whether he actually has these cards or not. because he was trying to sell them at a card show in Mich. a couple mths ago. I offered him $1500 and he would not take it. So I told him to have them appraised and I would make another offer problem is he has not done that. But I have seen the cards and handled them and they are the real deal just they are not appraised.

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Posted By: <b>identify7</b><p>As was posted in another thread:<br /><br />davidcycleback<br />(Login drcycleb) Re: Need advice on a Lou G. card November 13 2005, 10:29 PM <br /><br />The financial value of the card is dependant on its originality, and there are many more reprints out there than originals. You have to first determine if your card is original or reprint before you can determine value.<br /><br /><br /><br />Seems like sound advise to me Darryl.<br />There are several indicators in play here which should cause one to be wary.<br /><br />I recommend that you do not proceed with making an offer unless the cards are guaranteed to grade, and the guarantee is enforcable. <br /> <br />

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p><br /> Sorry I think i have been a little misunderstood. It is not the authentication or whether the seller is legit or not. I have seen the cards at a show and they are legit and if I bid on them I will receive the cards no problem that is not a concern. What I am asking is do these cards look to be worth the price he is asking even if they grade at a 1/2.<br />Thanks

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>Hey Darryl -<br /><br />Just wanted to make sure...you aren't associated with these cards are you?

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Guess one of my moderator buddies knows something I don't. I had deleted this thread, then locked it when re-posted, then "Larry" and I chatted off line. We had about 5 emails back and forth and I determined that this is a legit thread. Could I be wrong? Sure. Most likely not from the emails I have. I usually will error on the side of not censoring if one has to be made. ALSO, until "the Real Al Davis" emails me privately and we chat, every post by that person will be deleted immediately. As per the forum rules if a moderator asks for a private email it's not an option. It's to protect everyone and has worked well so far.....best regards moderator dude

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Posted By: <b>T206Collector</b><p>My thoughts exactly.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Since your feelings are the same as RamRam's, even after my last post, go ahead and tell me what I am missing and what I missed in the many private emails I just stated I had had with this gentleman. I have been duped before and would appreciate knowing your thoughts. You can email me at lluckey@amherst1.com or post it here. Thanks....

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>Weird ending to a strange scenario. Seller ended up raising his starting bid from $4500+ to $7250 before finally ending the auction early. Private auction out of Canada, etc. All of these posts from somebody I don't think we're familiar with.?.? Just one of those "looks like a duck" situations to me. I think it merited the question as to whether he was associated with the cards. I dunno.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I completely agree and that's why I deleted his first thread and locked the 2nd. The we emailed back and forth and he gave some good explanation. What more can I do? I believed the private emails I got.....strange auction ....<br /><br />edited to add.....after going back and looking more carefully at the auction details I do notice some inconsistencies.....will be watching this issue closely in the future...if it comes up again on the board....Why would the cards be viewable in MI if the seller is in Canada?

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>If we hear more from DetroitDarryl over time I'd feel convinced he's ok. The stranger part comes from the auction seller. Personally, if I were him (DetroitDarryl), I wouldn't touch that auction with a ten foot poll. If you are absolutely positive the cards are legit, I'd make sure to buy them in person since he's seen the guy at a show in the area. My two cents.<br /><br />Unless of course, he see's the seller when he looks in the mirror.

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Posted By: <b>Chris</b><p>I find it odd that someone who "needs" these cards does not have an idea of what fair market price would be. I also find it odd that Darryl told the owner to have the cards "appraised". Plus if Darryl only offered the guy $1500 in person at a card show where they supposedly were two months ago, why is he thinking about paying three times as much on Ebay? I would think any legitimate buyer who "needs" these cards has a pretty good idea of what they sell for if they are authentic.

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Posted By: <b>Max Weder</b><p>Leon<br /><br />I don't need to reiterate what others have said about the warning signs of his query (which signs I agree with; I would add: he is certain the cards are authentic, but can't grade them?), but just to point out: Windsor (the seller's stated location) is at the border of Ontario and Michigan, just across the river from Detroit. In fact, Windsor is actually south of Detroit. <br /><br />There is thus nothing unusual for a person in Ontario to attend a card show in the United States and even to bring cards to such a show. The border wall is not yet that impenetrable.<br /><br /><br /><br />Max

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>Max -<br /><br />The Department of Homeland Security would like to talk to you about what you might know about any weaknesses in our wall.<br /><br />P.S. Damn it's cold here today in the midwest. Can't you even keep your frigid weather within your own border?

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Posted By: <b>Max Weder</b><p>Rob<br /><br />I know nothing <i>(softwood lumber)</i> about anything <i>(mad cows)</i> that could affect <i>(hockey players)</i> your country<br /><br />And a meteorlogical note: weather from ROC (rest of Canada) cannot be blamed on those of us on the west side of the Coast Mountain Range, where the climate is temperate and the skies are wet, not snowy.<br /><br /><br /><br />Max

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>There is really nothing to "convict" Darryl of belonging to that auction, but it certainly is fishy.<br /><br />The seller is definately fishy: 1) He/she has a net feedback of 22; 2) He/she has recently "privately" acutioned, which personally always makes me skepitcal when it is coupled with a net feedback of 22 and a couple of negative feedbacks to go with it; 3) He/she's most recent sale were fuzzy blue boots with pink flowers (my point being that a lot of scammers build a little feedback by selling goofy or low $$ stuff and then sale a multi-thousand dollar BB card); 4) I personally sent a message to the seller requesting higher resolution scans and he/she sends a message back that "Hey, I updated the acution with high resolution scans. Take a look." This wasn't done, so it looked like he was AGAIN trying to sale something he didn't really have; 5) he started off with the auction of choice for all scammers... one day private auction; 6) He puts a several hours into the development of that auction page (it was actually well done...but overdone), but doesn't put 20 minutes into putting decent scans or pictures of the cards (he had decent pictures of the fuzzy blue boots). <br /><br />Darryl was ONLY fishy because: 1) He defended the seller as actually possessing the cards and personally seeing the cards although he doesn't seem to be into cards that much; 2) they both use hotmail e-mail accounts; 3) He has implied that they are "the real deal" even though he doesn't know much about cards (use of term "appraised" and doesn't really know there value); 4) Anybody defending a seller with the above long list of circumstantial evidence is immediately suspect themselves.<br /><br />I'm 95% sure the cards in the scan are real. I just don't believe the seller possesses those cards. It would be nice if he would take a picture of those cards, with that digital camera he photographed the fuzzy blue boots with, and have today's edition of the Detroit Free Press in the background (or the Toronto Sun, if that's his preference).

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>Also, <br />Since I made the post last night asking if he had anything to do with the auction we haven't heard from him in spite of the fact that he posted eight times yesterday. The auction was closed prematurely last night just shortly after that post. I noticed the coincidence of the hotmail addresses as well. Yes, all circumstantial, I know, but we'd like to hear from Darryl to see what he knows about all of this. I don't want to indict the guy but it just don't add up very well.<br /><br />P.S. Was it actually a one day auction initially? I hope he didn't sucker somebody in if it's not for real.

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>I am dealing from memory, so I could possibly be off on the opening price, but I KNOW the auction was originally 1 day and I am 90% sure that the inital opening bid was something lower than the $4,700 (I believe it was $4,200 or $4,250). I am a bit Shoeless Joe Cracker Jack obsessive, so I saw this auction VERY early on.

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Posted By: <b>Darryl</b><p>I hope all you conspiracy people are happy now. I got an email from the seller of these cards (no I do not email myself and what the sell would I get out of it). It states " sorry the cards are no longer for sale ". Thanks alot everybody. I was only looking for advice, now as it looks I have lost out on the opportunity to purchase these cards at a fair market value. The seller apparently received a bunch of emails regarding the integrity of the auction. He states " keep an eye out as they will be posted here real soon just to show that his auctions are the real deal not make believe" for whatever that means. Thanks All.......... This whole fiasco is why I chose to collect underground and stay away from all you wannabes and wish I hads. If you could only see my collection.....Well actually????????<br /><br /> "WISHS ARE JUST HORSES THAT BEGGARS RIDE"<br /><br /> DARRYL <br /> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1132121391.JPG"> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />God Bless You All. I can not condemn you all for the ignorance of just a few.

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Posted By: <b>Max Weder</b><p>Darryl<br /><br />I'm not sure why you would post the scan from the American Memories Library of Congress web site (search Brouthers at <a href="http://memory.loc.gov" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://memory.loc.gov</a> ). Am I missing something? <br /><br />Max<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>I have never heard of anyone asking publicly for pricing advice with the expressed intention of using that advice to get an eBay seller to end an auction early. In the collecting etiquitte, that's the equivillent of going into a restaurant and asking patrons which would be the best way to sneeze on their food.<br /><br />I have never heard of a collector who can authenticate Cracker Jack cards in person but has no clue as to value.

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Posted By: <b>Glenn</b><p>Maybe Darryl and Adam J. Moraine can start up a new forum to talk about their high-end collections of jpegs and Sammy Sosa cleats.

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Posted By: <b>Darryl</b><p>If you are good at riddles. Read the post carefully, you may become enlightened. I am sure you will never look at some Old CardBoard the same way again. Monetary value is not what real passionate collectors are after????????

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Posted By: <b>Chris</b><p>Isn't obvious Max? Darryl owns those cards and we only wish we had them. LOL. I don't know about anyone else but I feel awful that we cost Darryl a chance to purchase these cards at a fair market value. LOL.

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Posted By: <b>davidcycleback</b><p>Actually, the way that Darryl can prove to the board that he is on the up and up and we should feel sorry for our words is to post in this thread that super big scan he received from the seller. If he has a 'too big to fit here' high resolution, highly detailed scan of one of the cards from that auction, I will beleive him and say that this board misjudged him.<br /><br />This board will withhold any judgment or opinion about Darryl, and allow him 24 hours to post this jumbo scan he received from the seller. We all make mistakes, Darryl, and this board is giving you the chance to prove that we erred.

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Posted By: <b>Darryl</b><p><br /> David,<br /> Give me your private email address and I have no problem sending you the scan. Like I said before, it seems to be too big to upload on here. I really would like to end this if that is what it will take. As for Glenn are you still looking for the Manson,Dahmer,Gacy,& Bundy to complete your collection?<br />I am afraid you may be in the wrong Forum.

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Posted By: <b>zach</b><p>I further Max's question, why did you post an image of a card that belongs to the library of congress ?

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Posted By: <b>Adam J. Baxter</b><p>Because Darryl's full of monkey dung. Darryl we will accept you just the way you are. You don't have to try and seduce us with scans of cards that you don't own.

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Posted By: <b>Darryl</b><p>I really do not want to give it away as I am still waiting to get the right answer to the riddle I have embedded in that particular post... <br /><br /> Baseball is the President tossing out the first ball of the season and a scrubby schoolboy playing catch with his dad on a Mississippi farm. A tall, thin old man waving a scorecard from the corner of his dugout. That's baseball. And so is the big, fat guy with a bulbous nose running home one of his 714 home runs.<br /><br />There's a man in Mobile who remembers that Honus Wagner hit a triple in Pittsburgh forty-six years ago. That's baseball. So is the scout reporting that a sixteen year old pitcher in Cheyenne is a coming Walter Johnson. Baseball is a spirited race of man against man, reflex against reflex. A game of inches. Every skill is measured. Every heroic, every failing is seen and cheered, or booed. And then becomes a statistic.<br /><br />In baseball democracy shines its clearest. The only race that matters is the race to the bag. The creed is the rulebook. Color merely something to distinguish one team's uniform from another.<br /><br />Baseball is a rookie. His experience no bigger than the lump in his throat as he begins fulfillment of his dream. It's a veteran too, a tired old man of thirty-five hoping that those aching muscles can pull him through another sweltering August and September. Nicknames are baseball, names like Zeke and Pie and Kiki and Home Run and Cracker and Dizzy and Dazzy.<br /><br />Baseball is the cool, clear eyes of Rogers Hornsby. The flashing spikes of Ty Cobb, an over aged pixie named Rabbit Maranville.<br /><br />Baseball just a came as simple as a ball and bat. Yet, as complex as the American spirit it symbolizes. A sport, a business and sometimes almost even a religion.<br /><br />Why the fairy tale of Willie Mays making a brilliant World's Series catch. And then dashing off to play stick ball in the street with his teenage pals. That's baseball. So is the husky voice of a doomed Lou Gehrig saying., "I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth.”<br /><br />Baseball is cigar smoke, hot roasted peanuts, The Sporting News, ladies day, "Down in Front", Take Me Out to the Ball Game, and the Star Spangled Banner.<br /><br />Baseball is a tongue tied kid from Georgia growing up to be an announcer and praising the Lord for showing him the way to Cooperstown. This is a game for America. Still a game for America, this baseball! <br /><br />Whatever happened to a player just signing an autograph without seeing it for sale on EBay that same nite. I think we all lost a little something along the way. This is my only clue??????????????<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>zach</b><p>Interesting to say the least. How about you just tell us why you posted the picture of a card you don't own ?

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Posted By: <b>scott ingold</b><p>To funny. The card must be on loan from his collection. Yeah thats it.

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>Until you let us know why you said we are collecting wannabe's and then post a scan of a card you don't own you are not going to get to post on this board again. My other moderators and myself will see to it you don't. All I want is an explanation. Most of your story seemed fairly plausible, then the scan of a card you don't own, a cut and pasted prose, and then the ole "God Bless" thing. ALL of those are RED flags for a scammer, imo. Also, if anyone has a "hotmail" account you will be a little suspect so be expecting an email from me, if you are saying crazy stuff, and post anonymously. I don't want our board to become a farce. (a comedy based on unlikely situations and events).. best regards ..moderator dude ....and Darryl....here's a card I do own....<br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1132144768.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>Sorry I missed this "chat" last night. That'll teach me to go out and do something fun rather than stick by my computer. I never have seen myself as a collector wannabe or a "wish I had." Here are two cards I own:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1132163404.JPG"> <br /><br /><br />Edited so no gets a headache looking at the HUUUGGGGE scan

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p><br />Edited to get rid of the scan of the 1914 Jackson card since it is way to big.

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Posted By: <b>ramram</b><p>Do you just get a funny feeling that "Darryl" has visited with us before? If it was a scam he sure put a lot of detail into it. He even went so far as to try to sell Leon on his sincerity with direct emails. Luckily, it still looked like a duck.

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Posted By: <b>Cat</b><p>I can't help but think of that Bob Newhart sitcom where the guy comes into the resort and introduces his brothers: "This is my brother Darryl, and this is my other brother Darryl." I think Darryl was trying to live two lives... one as a scamming seller and the other as a sincere buyer.<br /><br />It's funny how Darryl seems to think that our board ruined it for him. He must have a pretty good relationship with the other Darryl in order to know that the "doubting" e-mails were from board members. He had a good enough relationship with the other Darryl to know these things, but not good enough to get the deal done. I sent the other Darryl a message, but heck, I sincerely wanted to buy them, if they could be proven legit. I'd have no problem posting on this board my exact message if anyone wanted to see it.