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10-23-2005, 09:33 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThe GOODWIN CHAMPIONS Album (ACC#.....A36) is an example of 19th Century color Lithography at it's best. The Album has 11 pages which comprise all 50 subjects of the N162 set. They are portrayed within a colorfully, artistic background depicting their particular sport. On page 1 are ANSON, ANDREWS, BROUTHERS & CARUTHERS On a 2nd page are KEEFE, KELLY, GLASSCOCK & DUNLAP The cover shows a classic picture of a 19th Century ball- park and I'll try to show it in a future post...As well as the other 9 sports pages; and, the Old Judge & Gipsy Queen advertising page. <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/champions_2.jpg">

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10-23-2005, 10:46 AM

Posted By: Rob (NYC)BEE OO DEE FUL! I would love to see the rest of it!

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10-23-2005, 01:16 PM

Posted By: Max WederAn A36 album just sold on Mastron for $2911 before the juice. <a href="http://mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=51518&CurrentRow=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=51518&CurrentRow=1</a> Here's a scan of the cover. Max <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1130094974.JPG">

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10-23-2005, 01:41 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThanks Max for the A36 Album cover display. That is one less photo I have to upload. And, it does provide a relative $$$$ value on this very scarce 19th Century collectible. However, the cover of my Album is a deep richer color than this from Mastro's auction. And, it has a very interesting and stylistic pen written inscription that is dated 1889.

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10-24-2005, 10:46 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisRob (NYC) Thanks for the compliment. I will try to display each page of this Goodwin Album as time allows. I have all the photos in my computer, but I still have to format each subsequent page in order to provide a large scan as this one of Page 1. Please be patient, as I will be in and out during this week.

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10-24-2005, 07:41 PM

Posted By: Brian DanielsI had to pay $1680 or so for a N-184 album to accompany my set I am building. I got carried away but figured I was in too deep on N-184's to turn back~

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10-24-2005, 08:12 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisBrian I do appreciate what your sentiments. After acquiring all the Goodwin Champions (50 cards) to complete the set, it just was not enough. I had to have this Album. It really did not cost me much since I traded cards for it that I had in stock for many years. So, it was 1980's $$ when everything in this hobby was much more reasonable.

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10-24-2005, 08:19 PM

Posted By: Max WederHere's another image from Mastro. Max <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1130206727.JPG">

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10-26-2005, 04:00 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThe 2nd page of Baseball Players depicts: Jack Glasscock (full fielding pose), a ShortsStop for 17 years in the National lge. In 1895 he batted .353 playing with Indianapolis. Retired in 1895 witha .290 BA. Tim Keefe (HOF) pitched most of his 14 yrs. with NY (NL) In 1886 won 42 games, and retired in 1893 with aa amazing W-L record of 344 - 225. Mike King" Kelly (HOF) played 16 yrs. with several NL teams; he retired in 1893 with a .307 BA. Kelly was noted for his "stormy" personality, so perhaps this was the message the artist was illustrating with the storm clouds behind him. Fred Dunlap played 2nd base for several teams during his 12 years. In 1884 he batted .412 for St. Louis; and, in 1888 he was traded to Pittsburgh (NL) and became the team Capt. There is a mystery surrounding the Dunlap card. Collectors have long wondered about a Detroit variation. His entire 1887 season was with Detroit, and perhaps this fact has prompted this speculation. No such card has ever surfaced. And, furthermore, I think the N162 set was really issued in 1889. <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/champions_3.jpg">

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10-27-2005, 10:04 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisI could continue displaying the remaining 10 pages from my Goodwin Album; but, due to the apparent lack of interest, I am having 2nd thoughts. It is not too often that the N162 cards, surrounded by beautifully decorated artwork, are on display. I guess the main interest of the Forum is just single- type cards; therefore, esoteric memoribilia such as this go unnoticed. I will upload one more page..the one that depicts the very first Football card in color....BEECHER (Yale).

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10-27-2005, 10:10 PM

Posted By: Al CrisafulliTed, these are my absolute favorite 19th century baseball cards. I am dying to own one of the HOFers someday. Please do keep posting, as I think they're some of the most magnificent cards ever produced but have never seen them all (except in auction catalogs), and I've never seen the album. The color in the backgrounds is just stunning. -Al

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10-28-2005, 12:01 AM

Posted By: WayneGroveTed, I agree will Al that you should keep posting. Great item that I am sure more would like to see. Thanks for posting what you have already and keep yhem coming even if its slow in coming.

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10-28-2005, 06:21 AM

Posted By: warshawlawI'd like to see those

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10-28-2005, 06:58 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisAdam W. After I display the 3rd page (Beecher, etc.), the next page I intend to display portrays the 5 above named Boxers. I've all the pictures loaded in my computer. Its just a matter of uploading each pix into subsequent posts on this thread. I know you are aware that the Jack Dempsey is not the famous Heavyweight Champion we all remember. However, this a guy was also a Champ in the late 19th Century. Just a mere coincidence.

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10-28-2005, 10:30 AM

Posted By: warshawlawThe Manassa Mauler we all know and love was born William Harrison Dempsey and took on the name Jack Dempsey in tribute to the former middleweight champ, as many fighters did at the time with former fighters of note (name recognition also helped sell tickets). Other tribute names of note: Joe Walcott (1890's fighter, 1950s HW champ) and Ty Cobb (a fighter of little note in the T225 set who isn't the ballplayer but whose card has undoubtedly launched then shattered countless dreams). Many fighters took a famous name with "Young" or "Baby" attached: Young Corbett, Young Corbett III, Baby Joe Gans, Young Stribling.

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10-28-2005, 08:08 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisBeecher is the very 1st Football player card in a major issue. He was the Captain of the Yale team in 1887. The coach of Yale's football in those years, Walter Camp, is considered the "Father of modern FB". He established the present 11 man playing team; and most of the rules that govern the game today. This "Rookie FB" card is highly sought after and it's value equals the Nat. Chicle Knute Rockne or Nagurski, or the 1952 Bowman (LARGE) Lansford. Also portrayed on this page are 4 different sports Champs. Captain Bogardus (Marksman), Myers (Runner), Duncan Ross (Broad Swordsman), and W. Byrd Page (High Jumper). <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/champions_4.jpg">

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10-30-2005, 08:35 AM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisI, inadvertently, started a new Thread on this subject. Therefore, the Album's pages continue from this Thread to the new one.

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11-01-2005, 06:23 PM

Posted By: Ted ZanidakisThe cover of my A36 Album has an interesting inscription that is dated "1889". The Goodwin Champions (N162) set is catalogued as an 1888 issue. When I acquired this Album about 8 years ago, this inscription aroused my curiousity ....were these card actually issued in 1889 ? At least two factors suggest that this set must have been issued in 1889 (instead of 1888). Beecher was in the Yale Class of 1888 Dunlap was traded to Pittsburgh in 1888. <img src="http://www.freephotoserver.com/v001/tedzan/a36_cover.jpg">