John "Rowdy Jack" Joseph "Peach Pie" O'Connor ??

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Posted By: <b>MyBuddy</b><p><br /><br /><img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a296/mybuddyinc/e90%20with%20character/e90oconnor.jpg"><br /><br />Although not too interesting a card, I thought it could bring up an interesting thread. A collector friend long ago "corrected" the team of O'Connor, c. He scratched out Pittsburg Nat'l and hand wrote "St. Louis Amer." on top border. Not familer with this player, I looked him up in the Baseball Encylopdea (1982 ed. !!!!!), thinking it might reflect a trade. I, however, found two O'Connor's (both catchers) playing during the e-90 period:<br /><br />Paddy O'Connor, Pit. Nat. 1908-10<br />Jack O'Connor, StL. Am. 1904, 1906-07, 1910.<br /><br />So a no-brainer, right?? Our e-90 is Paddy.<br /><br />Now hold on ... Yes, Paddy did play for Pit., but he played in a WHOLE 27 games over those 3 years (ONLY 8 as a catcher). Hardly worthy of a baseball card.<br /><br />Where as John "Rowdy Jack" Joseph "Peach Pie" O'Connor had a 21 year baseball career from 1887 (Cin AA) through 1910 (StL AL), sans 1905,08,09. He managed the 1910 team, and caught 1 game. In his career he played 1459 games, 863 as a catcher. Quite worthy of a baseball card.<br /><br />So, I my very humble opinion, this e-90 is Rowdy Jack, although "technically" Paddy.<br /><br />That's the lead-in, now the topic:<br />Rowdy Jack O'Connor has an Old Judge card (#354). If you can "agree in theory" that the e-90 is also Jack, then you have a player who had the honor of a card from the 1887 OJ hey-day and one from the 1909 e/t hey-day.<br /><br />Even if you can't agree this e-90 is Jack:<br /><br />&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Is there any player known to have both an OJ AND a card from any 1909-11 T or E set ???<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Chris Bland</b><p>Hugh Duffy and Jake Beckley have cards in both the OJ and T206 sets.

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Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p>The t206 set has 5 players also in the OJ set, Duffy,Beckley like Chris said and Griffith,Latham and William Hart.<br /><br />Jack O'Connor only played 1 game after early 1907 and all he did was catch 1 inning of the last game of the year so id believe the card is right since Paddy was a catcher for the listed team at the time of the card<br /><br /><br />heres a scan from the sgc registry of the O'Connor tip top bread which is obviously Paddy because they only included Pirates players.<br /><a href="http://www.sgccardregistry.com/images.asp?cardid=57382&usetid=965" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.sgccardregistry.com/images.asp?cardid=57382&usetid=965</a>

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Posted By: <b>Patrick McMenemy</b><p>Here is my Pirates Spring Training Photo circa 1910 with Paddy O'Connor in the back row far right.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1129500175.JPG"> <br /><br />Here is a closeup of his face:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1129501126.JPG"> <br /><br />Here he is in a D322 Tip Top Bread card.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1129501743.JPG"> <br /><br />Patrick

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Posted By: <b>Kevin Cummings</b><p>First off, the E card is definitely <b><u>not</u></b> Rowdy Jack, although like Paddy O'Connor he does appear in the M116 set.<br /><br />O'Connor was a tough guy, as you had to be when you played in the 1890s. O'Connor's childhood buddy, Patsy Tebeau, coached the abysmal Cleveland Spiders and toughness was their whole game (because they sure couldn't play baseball). Although not known as an outstanding player, he was one of the youngest catchers ever to play pro ball (starting at age 18 in 1887 with the Cincinnati Red Stockings) and did achieve some firsts - first to catch 100 or more games and collect 100 or more hits in the same season (1890) and first to catch 100 or more games and bat .300 in the same season (1890). He was the manager of the St. Louis Browns team that "gave" Nap Lajoie the batting title over Ty Cobb in 1910 by allowing Lajoie to bunt for hits all day long.<br /><br />Here's a picture of Jack at age 21 with the Columbus Solons (third row from the top; second player from the left):<br /><br /><img src="http://members.aol.com/kkkkandp/solons.jpg"> <br /><br /> <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>MyBuddy</b><p>Stand corrected, and totally agree, it's Paddy.<br />The close-up photo of Paddy is a dead ringer.<br />And the Tip Top bread set was one that escaped my mini-reseach on the two.<br />We always here about COBB and LAJOIE batting race, it's nice to learn a little about another "player" in that story !!<br />And as far as the OJ/T206 players, Bill Hart is an interesting and unexpected "member."<br /><br />Like to learn something new each day, and now that I'm off to work, my quota hase been reached !!!!!!!