A Question to All T206 Collectors?

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Posted By: <b>tobacco-r-us</b><p>I really would like to get a take from all of the T206 collectors on this board.<br /><br />Even if your answer is similar to one that has been posted by another - I want to hear it.<br />I have my take, but I am sincerely interested in hearing your take on it.<br />Thanking you in advance.<br />Joe P.<br /><br />The question is:<br /><br />Why is the Magie (name spelling error card) called the Magie error, and not the Magie variation?

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Posted By: <b>Mike P.</b><p>This is an error because they spelled his name wrong. If for some weird reason he spelled his last name both ways then I can see it being referred to as a variation.

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Posted By: <b>Steve Dawson</b><p>An "error card" is any card that has incorrect information on it, such as a misspelled name, incorrect stats, position, etc...<br /><br />A card is only considered a "variation" if two or more different versions of it were issued.<br /><br />Not all "error" cards are "variations", as not all errors are corrected. Also, not all "variations" are "errors", i.e., background color variations.<br /><br /><br />Steve

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Posted By: <b>Peter_Spaeth</b><p>"There are two poses of Magee, one is portrait and the other is batting. The VARIATION is a spelling ERROR in the portrait pose. The ERROR was quickly discovered and immediately corrected before the bulk of the first printing was completed in the "150 Series". It is still an unknown reason why this "Magie" ERROR was corrected, since there were many other spelling errors in T206 that have never been corrected. It is also important to note that this ERROR is only known with Piedmont with Series 150 Factory 25 advertisement. This VARIATION is one of the rarest cards in the T206 set, and competes for top-ten honors as far as value in our hobby."<br /><br />(Capital letters added for emphasis, not to imitate Hal <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> )

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Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>Joe--Please email me at oldjudge@gmail.com re T209s

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Posted By: <b>JimB</b><p>I agree with Steve.<br />JimB

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>The way I was tought is that an error was a mistake that went uncorrected. A variation was a mistake that got corrected, or some other change was made to the card. Differnt poses o the same player are not considered variations. The Matty white cap/black cap would be since it is the same pose, but a change was made to the cap.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: <b>Ted Zanidakis</b><p>JOE .<br /><br />Jay's answer is probably the most concise one as any.<br /><br />Is it correct to say that the MAGIE card is the 1st significant<br />error/variation card in the hobby ?<br /><br />Ages ago when I was putting together my T206 set, it always<br />bothered me that I had to pay a ridiculous price for this<br />variation card. By today's market the $400 I paid for a Vg<br />MAGIE card isn't too bad. One would say I am bragging, rather<br />than complaining.<br /><br />OK, why this spelling error occurred I do not think we will<br />ever find out. But, what we do know is in 1910, Sherry Magee<br />had a career year. Check-out these numbers for his 154-game<br />season:<br /><br />....BAvg = .331....Nat. Lge Leader <br />....Runs = 110.....Nat. Lge Leader<br />......RBI = 123.....Nat. Lge Leader<br />.....Hits = 172<br />..SL Avg = .507....Nat. Lge Leader<br />.......SB = 49<br /><br />Born in Pennsylvania, most of his career was with the Phillies<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>tobacco-r-us</b><p>Sorry that I didn't get back sooner.<br />I was involved with a T209 Irving Adventure over the weekend.<br /><br />Not different from what y'all are saying.<br />My take, as I understand it via Lipset's books, is that when some one misspells a name, or gives wrong information -- that card is considered an Error card when it is corrected.<br /><br />As for the variations, that's usually caused by a printing color misstep causing a missing letter, or anything that's found on a totally printed card that has gone through all of it's printing steps.<br /><br />Another variation, can be caused by a broken, or worn piece of type causing the T206 "nodgrass" Variation.<br /><br />My mind at the moment is in a vacuum mode, and I know that I've miss some, but I'm sure that you can come up with a few more differnces between an error card, and variations.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Steve Dawson</b><p>An "error" card is any card that has incorrect information on it. For example, the 1969 Brian Piccolo rookie card is an error card, since it has his first name misspelled "Brion". The card was never corrected, so there is no "variation", i.e., there is only one version of the card. Also, one of Brett Favre's early cards has his last name misspelled "Farve". It is also an "error" card which was never corrected, so it is not considered a "variation".<br /><br />In order to be a variation, a card must have two or more versions, i.e., the 1974 Topps "Washington NL" and "San Diego" versions. The "Washington NL" cards are "errors" since the team never played in Washington.<br /><br />Another "variation" card is the 1979 Topps Bump Wills card, where the "error" version shows him with the Toronto Blue Jays. Topps corrected the card to show him with the Texas Rangers. The Toronto card is an "error" and the Texas card is the corrected card. Both cards are "variations" of the same card.<br /><br />An example of "variations" which are not "errors" are the 1962 Topps baseball cards where there are differences in the background colors or poses. For example the 1962 Topps #176 Eddie Yost. One version has a portrait pose, and the other version shows him in a batting stance. Neither is an "error" since neither is incorrect, however, they are "variations", as there are two versions of the same card.<br /><br />Steve<br />

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Posted By: <b>Dan Koteles</b><p>most likely there will never be a card made with intent of error, so it could never be called a variation.

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Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>From my VCBC article (#34) (which doesn't mean it's right): <br /><br />"My definition of an error would be any card that makes it through the entire production process, from printing to factory cutting, the result being a card with an obviously unintended result - the proof being that a correction was issued."

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Posted By: <b>tobacco-r-us</b><p>You guys are touching all the nerves.<br /><br />Now let's take a look at the Doyle Error.<br />Here's a T206 "T" card that was caught faster than the Magie Error.<br />This card was not a misspelled name, it was an entirely wrong league.<br /><br />When they discovered the error, what they did was go back to the type setting on the old monster of a printing press, and they removed the obvious error, the type indicating "Nat'l". ... then they stopped short. -- They didn't do the right thing by inserting the type indicating "Amer."<br />Why they omitted to do that, I'll never know, because it only takes seconds.<br />What they caused in effect, by doing a semi correction of the card, was create a not much talked about error of omission card.<br /><br />If you look at the semi corrected Doyle NY card.<br />It's the only card in the entire T206 set that looks lopsided, or off balance.<br /><br />As a youngster in a Jr Hi school in 1945 NYC, I worked with an old printing press monster, and it scared the hell out of me.<br /><br />But if anything, it helps me understand an error from a variation. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br />Joe P.<br /><br />