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08-27-2005, 08:31 PM

Posted By: AnonymousI disagree, someone with that card should not have any other T206s in their collection. So that means Hal must give up his Uzit Crawford and Cobb and his Ty Cobb backed Cobb. Highest bid on the B/S/T wins <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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08-27-2005, 08:31 PM

Posted By: PaulI just bought a 1933 Ruth Blue Bird from the same seller, & jokingly told my wife about the Wagner, but she didn't think I was very funny. Awesome card Hal! edited for spelling

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08-27-2005, 08:35 PM

Posted By: Julie2000 lb. gorrila--he can collect anything he wants to. very nice card. Glad you didn't spend twice as much and get a higher grade one! It couldn't happen to a nicer guy, who made a pile of money, in a better cause--YEAH! Also, it's a great Wagner, with a fine image--all the Wagner anybody should ever need....

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08-27-2005, 08:42 PM

Posted By: LyleYou have joined a very elite group of collectors with that card . I know you have mentioned on more than one occasion your desire to own that card and its a pleasure seeing someone achieve their goal . Now I hope you won't bid on any of Ebay pursuits for a little while anyway . <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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08-27-2005, 08:57 PM

Posted By: DJSimply awesome Hal! I too went to the site after seeing the card here on the VBC Forum. He had it up and said "Photo Unavailable". I clicked anyway and there it was in all it's glory! DJ

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08-27-2005, 09:03 PM

Posted By: sagardThat is pretty darn cool of you to share the high res scan with all of us. Sincere congratulations on the purchase.

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08-27-2005, 09:13 PM

Posted By: joe brennan Yes by all means this is a rare club you have joined. Congrads!! Thanks for sharing. Moral Values " What would you do if no one was looking? Only you would know" Instilled in me by James W. Brennan Sr.

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08-27-2005, 09:26 PM

Posted By: zach"I thought there was a separate place to post SPAM." What are you talking about ? Btw super nice card Hal kudos

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08-27-2005, 09:28 PM

Posted By: Damian AndersonIt is an honor just to say way to go! I would wake up at least three times a night just to look at this card if it was mine! Seriously, can I have your autograph? I can get it PSA/DNA'd. It would probably sell on ebay. Really though I bet you are constantly pinching yourself to see if you are dreaming. Geez, I would be saying to myself-"what now?" again congrats. I envy you! Damian

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08-27-2005, 09:32 PM

Posted By: Josh K.Well done Hal. Awesome card.

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08-27-2005, 09:36 PM

Posted By: Texas TedWow, I am a lot closer to that card than I ever thought I would be. Actually posting in a forum with somebody that owns one. That is outstanding, congratulations. Now that you have fulfilled that dream, when you come down off cloud 9 you will have to share your next one with us. Texas Ted

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08-27-2005, 09:37 PM

Posted By: Greg EcklundCongratulations Hal, and thanks for sharing your collection with everyone.

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08-27-2005, 09:38 PM

Posted By: Frank WakefieldImpressive. Sincerely... Has it kept you awake when you lay down to sleep? Congratulations.

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08-27-2005, 10:21 PM

Posted By: Scott ElkinsNice looking card - AND MOST IMPORTANTLY is a Sweet Caporal 150 from Factory 25!!!!!!!!!

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08-27-2005, 10:22 PM

Posted By: tbobAnyone spending major bucks on non-caramel cards is ok in my book <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Seriously, congrats Hal, the card has nice eye appeal and great color.

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08-27-2005, 10:47 PM

Posted By: Dan KotelesGood deal Hal !

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08-27-2005, 10:58 PM

Posted By: jay behrensGrats!!! Great image with minimal creasing thru the face. A card taht would fit in my colelction nicely <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14> Jay My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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08-28-2005, 02:58 AM

Posted By: RC MckenzieWell done. Congrats I'm working up a multi-card trade as I type this..lol

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08-28-2005, 03:59 AM

Posted By: JohnHal, Nice card and thank you for sharing. Now that you have obtained yours maybe you can set up a trust fund for the rest of us so we can get one as well?

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08-28-2005, 04:53 AM

Posted By: Mike P.Thanks! I'll be right over to pick it up! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> CONGRATS!

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08-28-2005, 05:14 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisI just want to THANK all of you for your warm and sincere posts!!! As you would expect...I had a hard time sleeping last night after spending a big chunk of change on a little piece of cardboard and a plastic slab. If I had logged on this morning to a long thread BASHING the card and telling me how foolish I was to buy a card with "worn corners" or "that really isn't so rare"... or if someone had called me an "investor" instead of a collector... it would have taken all the joy out of my purchase. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14> But to the contrary... all of you guys and gal UNDERSTAND the joy and "giddiness" that I am experiencing and I THANK you for letting me share it with you!! After all... WHO ELSE IN THE WORLD could possibly know the excitement of finding a vintage baseball card??? Outside of this forum... probably nobody. So THANKS again! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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08-28-2005, 05:53 AM

Posted By: dennisnothing like waking up & looking at my favorite website & seeing the wagner! great addition hal.it truely is an important piece of americana. even non card people recognize this one!

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08-28-2005, 07:21 AM

Posted By: warshawlawNice. congrats. We all hate you <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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08-28-2005, 09:22 AM

Posted By: Mark HoltCongrats Hal. Everyone that reads or posts on this forum would give their left ______ for that card. Congrats again.

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08-28-2005, 09:29 AM

Posted By: Brent ButcherGreat card Hal!!!! CONGRATS!!! Can you give us some provenance of the card? In the hands of a long time collector or a recent find???

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08-28-2005, 09:29 AM

Posted By: HWThat is an attractive card. Congrats Hal. Mastro had a SGC graded one a couple of years ago. Is yours the same one? I think that it is great that you are enjoying it so much.

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08-28-2005, 10:05 AM

Posted By: WesleyAwesome card Hal. That would be a dream come true for most collectors. Thank you for continuing to share your collection with us on the forum and on your website.

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08-28-2005, 12:20 PM

Posted By: Juliebut if I did, would gladly trade.

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08-28-2005, 12:33 PM

Posted By: PaulCongrats. I trust you will now be selling off many of your other treasures at discount prices to make up for the cash you spent.

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08-28-2005, 12:48 PM

Posted By: Charlie O'NealThat's a great pickup Hal. I think everyone on the board wishes they were in your shoes right now. I just spent some time on your web site for the first time and you have a really cool collection of cards and memorabilia.

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08-28-2005, 02:55 PM

Posted By: Wayne GroveHal, Every collectors dream is to own a T206 Honus Wagner, no matter what the condition. I don't think you can go wrong. Among us old-timers it was a fantasy of ours to find one in a collection. I always said I needed to find two of them, otherwise I would have to sell it in order to buy all the other cards I wanted. You are also correct in saying only a collector could appreciate the way it made you feel and I think by the number of responses you have gotten here just proves that. We all kind of feel good about it, though probably a little envious. Congrats.

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08-28-2005, 03:07 PM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanHal, I couldn't add anything more than what has already been said; however, my hearty congrats regardless. One question: how do you collect any other cards after you reeled that one in?

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08-28-2005, 03:28 PM

Posted By: jay behrensPlenty of other cards out there, especially ones that are much more rarer than a t206 Wagner. It may get all the press, but it's never close to the rarest card in the hobby. Jay My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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08-28-2005, 03:36 PM

Posted By: Julie"Every collector's dream is to own a T206 Wagner"--no matter what they SAY...

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08-28-2005, 03:45 PM

Posted By: Erick LewinThink everyones said everything worth saying. Keep it safe!

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08-28-2005, 03:45 PM

Posted By: JustinNice card Hal! It looks almost as nice as the one I bought on ebay from a seller who got the card from his dead grandfather's yard sale or something to that affect! The seller was good enough to sell it to me as a "possible fake" since it wasn't graded! By the way, should my card smell like tea? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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08-28-2005, 03:53 PM

Posted By: Scot Now that's a baseball card Mr. Lewis. Congratulations!!

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08-28-2005, 06:41 PM

Posted By: Jim CrandellNow we will have something meaningful to play for nat our golf outing near Biloxi. Jim

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08-28-2005, 06:47 PM

Posted By: AnsonThanks for sharing that with us, Hal. The one thing I really enjoy about this site is seeing all the different cards that everyone has. I'm glad to see that the Wags found a good home.

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08-28-2005, 07:09 PM

Posted By: Marc S.Congratulations, Hal. My very best wishes - a keystone card.

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08-28-2005, 07:32 PM

Posted By: FYSCongratulations!!! Nobody can say anything negative about this purchase because there isn't a single person on the board that does not want that card. However, I would have held out for the SGC 40 version (ha, ha). OT: Who is the current owner of the SGC 40 version?

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08-28-2005, 07:42 PM

Posted By: honus3415Next time let us know you're expecting....wonderful addition to the family. Something like that I'd have to make into a necklace for my wife if I expected to be able to keep it around my house. Keep it dry for the VBC Community and remember to get a second opinion....I think you might be able to get a 1/2 to a grade bump elsewhere, especially with PRO.

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08-28-2005, 07:45 PM

Posted By: john/z28jdCongrats Hal,the only thing that keeps me from joining you as a fellow T206 Wagner owner is the money

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08-28-2005, 07:48 PM

Posted By: RayCongratulations Hal! Its a beauty! Best wishes!

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08-28-2005, 07:54 PM

Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred) Hal, Now we start the part of the thread telling you "how foolish you were to buy a card with worn corners or that really isn't so rare..." This is where we call you an investor, not a collector! This is where we want to take all the joy out of your purchase. Somehow I get the feeling that the cool giddy feeling of pulling the trigger and realizing the dream isn't going to allow that to happen. It's really nice of you to share this baseball card high with us. Too cool, amigo!

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08-28-2005, 09:29 PM

Posted By: Max WederCongratulations Hal. Now you have to start working on a really tough card, pictured below <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Max <img src="http://www.ettinger.ca/lewiswagner.jpg">

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08-28-2005, 09:34 PM

Posted By: Scott MosleyHal, I can't say anything that hasn't already been said but thanks for sharing such an incredible card! Max, great work! I'm glad that Hal still grades "poor" and not "broke" after having to shell out the $$$ for the Wagner. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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08-28-2005, 10:40 PM

Posted By: jay behrensok, since several people seem to have misinterpreted what I last wrote (I got several emails about it) it was not meant to demean or belittle Hal's great purchase. I even said it was a great card to have. The point of my last point was toward a comment made about what is there after this. There are still plenty of cards out there to chase. They may not carry the cache of the Wagner, but there certainly are lot of other significannt cards out there that are rarer than the Wagner. The e107 Wagner and Matty come to mind, among other cards. Once again, congrats!!! Let me know when you want to donate that card to a collection with other low grade cards <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14> Jay My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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08-29-2005, 12:07 AM

Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)Jay, I couldn't imagine anyone posting anything negative in this thread - Hal deserves a good roasting, he's earned it!

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08-29-2005, 05:05 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisI didn't take any offense at all to Jay's post. Why should I? He's right. Plenty of cards in the World harded to "find" than this one. Not harder to "buy"... just harder to find! Hopefully I can find a way to share this card with as many people IN PERSON as possible.

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08-29-2005, 06:05 AM

Posted By: identify7It may be about the same color, but it is waay nicer, and classier than a 10 Aaron. Congrats! Gil

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08-29-2005, 06:31 AM

Posted By: Scott ForrestThat is the nicest looking "poor" t206 I've ever seen. Jay - ignore the email.

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08-29-2005, 07:16 AM

Posted By: James FeaginThe difference between Hal Lewis and the other multi-millionaire collector's out there, who have deep connections, is that Hal actually cares about the hobby, baseball, and his collection. Congrats Hal!

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08-29-2005, 08:00 AM

Posted By: Tom BoblittWink Martindale in that photoshopped card?

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08-29-2005, 08:00 AM

Posted By: SteveOUTSTANDING!! Great job! thanks for sharing. Steve

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08-29-2005, 09:03 AM

Posted By: AlanWOW !!!! Thanks for sharing.

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08-29-2005, 10:09 AM

Posted By: Bob Rousseausheesh! I would've almost been afraid to put it on a scanner! ("The thing is going to explode and it's going to evaporate right before my eyes!") Congrats!

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08-29-2005, 06:46 PM

Posted By: Kevin CummingsGeez, I go away for a couple of days without a computer and miss all the excitement! That kind of acquisition puts one in the collecting stratosphere. Rarified air up there. Congratulations! P.S. What did your wife get? <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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08-29-2005, 06:51 PM

Posted By: Peter_Spaeth"The difference between Hal Lewis and the other multi-millionaire collector's out there, who have deep connections, is that Hal actually cares about the hobby, baseball, and his collection." Not that Hal is not unique in SOME ways, but I don't think this is fair commentary on some of the people to whom you are referring.

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08-29-2005, 06:53 PM

Posted By: cmokingCongrats to Hal, obviously he's proud about this card and should be! Comments on James comments : "The difference between Hal Lewis and the other multi-millionaire collector's out there, who have deep connections, is that Hal actually cares about the hobby, baseball, and his collection. " How do you know that other multi-millionaire collector's don't care about the hobby, baseball or their own collections? Of the few multi-millionaire collectors I know, only 1 doesn't really care - the other three are as rabid about what they collect as anyone else on this forum.

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08-29-2005, 07:00 PM

Posted By: john/z28jdNot to put words in James mouth, Peter,but the people he was referring to are probably not the same people you think its unfair to say that about.He didnt say all the others nor do i believe he meant it that way because its obvious theres other people with money who dont collect just for profit.Just like any other large hobby theres people who buy only for social status among collectors or for profit and dont know a thing about the players theyre collecting.Its obvious by looking at Hal's site hes not one of those people and thats what he was probably trying to say. I wouldnt try to make an issue over it in a thread that obviously wasnt meant for that purpose

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08-29-2005, 07:03 PM

Posted By: MorrieI'll delurk long enough to express my sincere admiration and appreciation for your pick-up. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Congratulations! Morrie

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08-29-2005, 07:05 PM

Posted By: Peter_SpaethJohn, with respect, "the other multi millionaire collectors out there" sounds to me like a blanket reference. He didn't say "SOME" others he said THE others, and cmoking interpreted it the same way.

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08-29-2005, 07:18 PM

Posted By: john/z28jdWe could intepret it different but i dont think he really assumed Hal was the only person with alot of money that loves baseball.Thats too much of an assumption to make in my mind and its why i didnt think anything of it.If he said "every" other it would be easy to dispute and a very bold statement but judging by James posts in the past i cant see him being bitter towards every other person with money except Hal.By voicing your displeasure with his statement youre saying thats exactly what he meant without asking him to clarify his view.

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08-29-2005, 07:25 PM

Posted By: Chris McCome on, I see hundreds of those every year on ebay and in much better condition! Just kidding. It's a beauty, congrats!

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08-29-2005, 07:26 PM

Posted By: JimCrandell"The difference between Hal and the other multi-millionaire collectors out there who have deep connections is that Hal actually cares about the hobby and his collection." This is one of the most ridiculous statements I have ever read on this board. I know personally Charlie Merkel, Marshall Fogel and Don Louchios who in my opinion have the best collections out there. These are great guys who do care about the hobby. Who are you actually referring to that does not care about the hobby James? Hal is also a great guy and we were supposed to meet for golf and gambling in Biloxi--we may have to change the locale Hal--how are the golf courses in Tallahassee? Jim

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08-29-2005, 07:28 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthThere are many "multi millionaire collectors" out there who are very passionate about the hobby. In fact, I do not know one of them who collects because they think they can turn the cards 2 years later for a profit. There are many humble wealthy collectors who have very impressive collections who post here and you would not know it. There are others who do not even know that this forum exists and would not post even if they knew. Everyone has their own way of celebrating their collections and excitement.

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08-29-2005, 07:36 PM

Posted By: tbobGreg makes an excellent point. There indeed are some tremendous card collections out there owned by fellas who never post on this board, have probably never even heard of this board and many don't even have computers or visit the internet. I was shocked on a VBCC poll only a year or so ago which indicated that over 50% of the responding subscribers to this vintage baseball card magazine had never bought a card over the Internet and most didn't even own a computer. What a jolt. I assumed everyone was busy bidding on ebay or in on-line auctions. This just gives me hope that these guys are all old geezers (I can say that as I will reach geezerdom before most of you) whose love of the cards is not shared by their descendants and there may be many of these cards for sale in the not distant future.

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08-29-2005, 07:51 PM

Posted By: john/z28jdMaybe im wrong thinking the way i do since on a personal level(meaning face to face) i know very few baseball card collectors.What i do know is alot of people who collect and/or have antique cars so my thinking translates into that "world" and maybe im making a corrolation that isnt there? I do know alot of people here do have antique cars so i didnt think i was going out on a limb making that comparison. Of the people i know with antique cars there are alot of people with money that couldnt change an air filter or tell you anything about its history except how much they paid for it.I also know people who have $100k cars and could disassemble the car and put it back together and could sit for hours and tell you stories about the cars.If youre going to tell me that there isnt one person that collects baseball cards and falls into that first class im going to tell you that youre naive because the 2 hobbies arent that different.Its also that reason that makes me gloss over his statement as bad wording because i know its not true and not worth getting mad over,especially since he didnt name anyone in particular.

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08-29-2005, 07:59 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellI would say I know 20 or so people who I would guess are multi-millionaires by their purchases. I don't know one of them who is not passionate about the hobby. I would venture Greg knows even more and I would bet he would say the same thing. Jim

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08-29-2005, 08:04 PM

Posted By: Juliehe's pretty cute, too... Yeah, it's painful to think that people with a lot of dough might care just as much, if not more, about collecting cardboard than us less fortunate people. Truth...

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08-29-2005, 08:08 PM

Posted By: dennis there are more collectors who do not have a lot of money,who collect cards hoping to turn a quick buck and don't give a hoot about the game. the collectors who have plenty of money do not need to make money on cards.they have plenty of money. of course there are some with tons of cash, but believe me there are a lot of collectibles that rich folks desire for social status then 100 year old pieces of cardboard. most, if not all the high end collectors who post here love their cards as much as i love mine.

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08-29-2005, 08:17 PM

Posted By: Al CrisafulliHal, I am still new here and I don't know you, but CONGRATULATIONS on an amazing card. What a dynamite thing to have in any collection. It is a beautiful, beautiful card. In terms of the multimillionaire thing, well, like the subject line says: who cares? If a multimillionaire likes to horde cards and can't tell you their history, who cares? If a guy making $15K likes to spend ten bucks a month on 1991 Upper Deck, who cares? Does it really matter to anyone - besides the individual collector - what someone's motivation is for liking what they like? It still baffles me why people get so riled up over people's motivations for collecting what they collect. If I were a multimillionaire, I'd buy a Wagner. And I'd be able to tell you a lot about the card. I'd also buy a nice car, and I'd love it. And I can't change an air filter. Not sure what that says about me, but apparently it says something very important. -Al

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08-29-2005, 08:26 PM

Posted By: Mike Pugedaditto what Al said

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08-29-2005, 08:28 PM

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08-29-2005, 09:24 PM

Posted By: Zachyour's is nice an all but..... <a href="http://imageshack.us"><img src="http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1753/wagy3ss.jpg" border="0" width="395" alt="Image Hosted by ImageShack.us" /></a>

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08-29-2005, 10:16 PM

Posted By: john/z28jdAl which side are agreeing or disagreeing with? Looks like you jumped from one side to the other and then went to the outside and said both sides were wrong in disagreeing with each other.Hard to be wrong when you take all 3 sides so im agreeing with Al whether hes saying im wrong or right. In all honesty,i know a collector(not personally but thru someone else) who makes as much as anyone on the board and bought cards because he was basically talked into it.He doesnt directly buy cards,he actually has someone do all his buying.I dont think you can call that passion and im pretty sure if you asked him to name something about the player on the card he wouldnt be able to tell you anything past what the card obviously points out.If you call buying as many cards as he wants a passion then no one could possibly collect cards and not be passionate about them. Basically if you make up your own definitions to help your own story then you can always be right so im not saying anything else about it in this thread or continuing to read the thread because its gotten ridiculous.Refer back to my car analogy if you have any questions of what i mean because thats the best i can explain it. I'll never believe that percentage wise more than 4 out of 5 people who have lots of money and collect cards really do it because they love baseball

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08-29-2005, 10:16 PM

Posted By: AnonymousHal, I like your's better than the Psa-8. It shows more character!!!!!!!!!!!

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08-29-2005, 10:33 PM

Posted By: Al CrisafulliHi John: No, I'm not jumping from side to side, maybe I'm just not being clear. That happens to me sometimes. I do not think a passion for baseball is a prerequisite for collecting baseball cards. Frankly, I do not think there is ANY prerequisite for collecting baseball cards, other than to have the means to get the cards you decide to collect. I'm not going to begrudge a millionaire who decides to start a collection to add to his belongings the right to do it, and I'm not going to grumble about his reasons. I don't care if someone collects shiny cards, reprints, PSA-8s, SGC-92s, raw cards, 19th century cards, or Charlie's Angels cards. This is a really big hobby. We all collect for different reasons, and mine are no more right than anyone else's. I hope that made more sense than my last post. But this thread is about Hal's Wagner, and I'm sorry I participated in its hijacking. Congratulations again, Hal! -Al

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08-30-2005, 12:34 AM

Posted By: WPJim, You are sadly mistaken to think that Charlie Mekkel Marshall Fogel and Don L have the best card collections. My votes go to Keith Olberman Mark Macrae and Richard Masson just to name a few. Marshall and Charlie for the most part have a bunch of mainstream sets in plastic no nineteenth century and no e or t cards to speak of. Congrats hal that is a great card and looks like a high end one if there is such a thing.

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08-30-2005, 12:44 AM

Posted By: jay behrensWally, you have to remember that collections like Macrae's and other's that are unslabbed don't really exist in the eyes of Jim. If it isn't in the population report, then it can't possibly be real. This would ruin his investment in high grade low pop cards if they did. Jay My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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08-30-2005, 04:49 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisLet me be the first to say that there are DEFINITELY a lot of guys out there who spend MORE than I do on cards every year... and who DEFINITELY love the hobby as much or more than I do. In fact, if not for those pioneers, I would probably have never had the guts to spend so heavily on cards, regardless of how much I love them. My only hope... is that someday THOSE guys will find a way to SHARE their collections with all of us via the internet. They could EASILY put their best and rarest items up for display on a website and they would NEVER have to disclose anywhere WHO owns the cards or WHO owns the website. They could just register it through one of the anonymous holding companies. Think how GREAT it would be if we DID know EVERYTHING that is out there in all of those mysterious cellars and attics!!! I know that I get a JOY out of visiting everyone ELSE'S collections on the web, like Leon, JC, Andy, etc. SO... I am hoping that more of the big time collectors will follow my lead and SHOW the World their cool stuff. If they want to remain anonymous, then that is perfectly fine... but at least let us know what is out there and what it looks like!!!

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08-30-2005, 05:37 AM

Posted By: JimCrandellWP, If you define best as having a lot of older cool cards as most on this board would do you are right. If you define it as monetary value of their collection you are mistake. Don has the best T206 set in existence, Charlie has the best 1933 Goudey, Don has the best M116 set. But I guess you are defining these as mainstream. Jim

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08-30-2005, 08:46 AM

Posted By: Peter SpaethI thought he was clear the first time. He is saying, I think, that it's a big world and people shouldn't worry so much about what other people are doing and why.

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08-30-2005, 07:10 PM

Posted By: WPActually I was thinking value. The best 33 Goudey set 500k? 700k? Have you seen the prices on E107s Old Judges Baltimore news just to name a few things? Large groupings of theses cards could easily fetch into the millions now.

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08-30-2005, 07:24 PM

Posted By: AnsonCollectors show you what they have; investors tell you what they're worth. I don't find it bragging or boasting when someone shows a beautiful, high-end card;I love being able to see this kind of stuff. It's when I'm reminded of the amount of money spent and the value of the card that I get put off.

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08-30-2005, 07:37 PM

Posted By: Mark EvansCongrats, Hal, from one board member to another. Hope to meet you at a "National." Mark

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08-30-2005, 07:41 PM

Posted By: Julieto show people, but the shrink kept asking "How much did you pay for that?" or "How much is your collection worth?" so I stopped. Really bugged me.

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08-30-2005, 08:10 PM

Posted By: steve kOutstanding! Big congrats on getting the Holy Grail <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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08-31-2005, 04:04 PM

Posted By: Damian GrammontCongrats Mr. Lewis Wow, i just wanted to thank you and everyone else on the boards that share there collections with everyone. It is so fun look see these rare/old cards. Though i won't ever get anything like these i still have my "Wagner" from when i was younger, 84' Donruss Mattingly <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> not quite as rare. Congrats and Thank you all again

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08-31-2005, 04:34 PM

Posted By: dstudebaGreat job Hal, enjoy!

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08-31-2005, 04:59 PM

Posted By: Paul ArpasiYour my hero and I don't really even know you. It was John Glenn, but, now its you. Best wishes. Paul

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08-31-2005, 05:23 PM

Posted By: Robertat least Hal's card i s not trimmed...

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09-01-2005, 12:46 AM

Posted By: JimBI've been out of town and missed the big news. Huge congrats to you Hal. What a great card! I am really happy that you decided to go for it. As for the millionare thing, I know a few of the real big collectors out there and I can garuntee they are all passionate about the cards and the hobby. Some are regular posters here. Others are regular lurkers. Others are probably unaware of this site. It is ridiculous to presume that because somebody has a lot of money and can afford to buy cards many others cannot that they are necessarily less passionate about the cards or the hobby. That is simply nonsensical. JimB

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09-01-2005, 08:32 AM

Posted By: Scott ForrestBut it appears that most are ignoring his response and enjoying the opportunity to climb their soapboxes, so here it is again. John's post: <<Not to put words in James mouth, Peter,but the people he was referring to are probably not the same people you think its unfair to say that about.He didnt say all the others nor do i believe he meant it that way because its obvious theres other people with money who dont collect just for profit.Just like any other large hobby theres people who buy only for social status among collectors or for profit and dont know a thing about the players theyre collecting.Its obvious by looking at Hal's site hes not one of those people and thats what he was probably trying to say. I wouldnt try to make an issue over it in a thread that obviously wasnt meant for that purpose>>

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09-01-2005, 09:57 AM

Posted By: ockdayBeautiful card...congrats and good luck! Now what happened to that guy who kept saying that SGC 10's or PSA 1's were never going to be worth buying? Alan

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09-01-2005, 11:24 PM

Posted By: barry arnoldi've been out of pocket for several days and just now got to smile happily when checking out the forum and seeing Hal's acquisition. thanks, Hal; i'm mighty happy to see a fellow floridian with such a grand find and top drawer collection. all the best barry arnold

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09-01-2005, 11:51 PM

Posted By: petei make a "meesly" $50k a year and if i had $91,000 in the bank i'd buy that card...after reading all those posts, i dont see where "multi-millionaire" made a difference on a $90k purchase...i envy you hal! one question, will honus be displayed in your home or laying flat in a security box in a bank?

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09-02-2005, 04:53 AM

Posted By: Hal LewisPete: Alas, it will be in the safe deposit box. And while $91,000 would have bought the card in 2003... it would not in 2005. I definitely should have bought it back then. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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09-02-2005, 06:41 AM

Posted By: identify7What? You aren't going to crack it out and hold it - if only for a moment. This is a serious part of card collecting history that you have been seperated from for far too long. Why self impose a continuation of your sentence? It is not like you are likely to damage it so severely that it will never regrade - heck, a card with your pedigree does not even need grading.

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09-02-2005, 08:52 AM

Posted By: Jerry SpillmanBMW Sportscards is offering to sell this T206 Wagner card through Naxcom.Com. Is this correct? <a href="http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=bmw_cards" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&userid=bmw_cards</a> <a href="http://www.naxcom.com/book.do?bookID=1343981" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.naxcom.com/book.do?bookID=1343981</a>

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09-02-2005, 12:05 PM

Posted By: MWJerry, That's incorrect. Your link to Naxcom shows an SGC 10 T206 Honus Wagner but it's a buy order on Naxcom, not a sell order.

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09-02-2005, 12:28 PM

Posted By: Peter_SpaethWell Hal I hope you don't fall off your pedestal now that you have crossed that purist line and mentioned something about the cost of the card.

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09-02-2005, 12:29 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisAll I said was that it "cost more than a breadbox." <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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09-02-2005, 12:32 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthWell in Hal's defense, both times in this thread he merely made reference to the cost/value of the card but never said how much he paid.

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09-02-2005, 12:34 PM

Posted By: Peter_Spaeth"And while $91,000 would have bought the card in 2003... it would not in 2005." Is that not a statement about the card's cost?

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09-02-2005, 12:39 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisYes... and that statement is about as vague as "it's bigger than a breadbox." Considering that FIVE T206 Wagners have sold for more than $91,000 since 2003... I didn't think that my statement was telling anybody anything that they didn't already know.

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09-02-2005, 12:39 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthAgain, much like his statement above, Unfortunately for me... this was NOT one of those cards that have depreciated since Dec. 2003., it does not say how much he spent which would be a true posting violation.

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09-02-2005, 12:45 PM

Posted By: Peter_SpaethMy point was not to criticize Hal. On the infamous locked thread, I complemented him for having both passion and a keen sense of values, and I stand by that. My real point is that it seems people have a double standard here, Jim Crandall starts a post about card values and people jump on him like he is the antichrist because supposedly the "true collectors" here couldn't care less what cards cost or are worth, but Hal makes statements concerning the cost of the Wagner yet noone noone seems to mind.

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09-02-2005, 12:56 PM

Posted By: barrysloateWell, I've been away all summer and just got back today. Looks like Hal picked up a great card while I was gone (I thought the hobby stopped when I left for vacation) so let me congratulate you too. I once owned a poor condition Wagner - the one Leland's sold recently with the upper left corner missing. I bought it in 1986 for $8250 and sold it less than two years later for about $18K. Should I have kept it a little longer? I guess so.

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09-02-2005, 12:59 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthAgreed. Jim was beaten to a pulp for no reason at all for merely placing actual numbers in his posts. Jim clearly did not deserve to be mistreated like. Jim does not share Hal's God-like status on this board probably because his collection is not old enough.

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09-02-2005, 01:03 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisLet me be the first to agree with Greg and say that Jim should not have been ripped for posting about dollars. The board is for everyone and should be open to all topics. And... as a newly appointed God... I forgive all of those who ripped Jim. <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14>

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09-02-2005, 01:03 PM

Posted By: warshawlawexcept of course the reprint and cut-out purveyors. How long till you pry Leon's T231 away, Hal?

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09-02-2005, 01:06 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisAdam: It would be cheaper for me to start a national petition to remove Home Run Baker from the HOF... than it would be for me to purchase Leon's "FAN CIGS" Home Run Baker card!!

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09-02-2005, 01:07 PM

Posted By: Peter_SpaethHe said "God-like," without a Josh Gibson you don't get official status as a deity.

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09-02-2005, 01:07 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellThank you guys--I know how to fight back and I certainly will if it is allowed...but one thing I won't do again is do nothing while those two or three guys take pot shots at me(without even knowing who I am). I suspect I won't get an apology though. Jim

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09-02-2005, 01:12 PM

Posted By: leonThe only issue I ever had with what you were saying Jim was using the word "existence".....because if you don't know of every card in existence you just can't say that and be correct. If you were to say the best "graded" set in existence then that would be fine. I don't even say there's only 2 T231's....or 1 T231 speciman.....I always say "known" when talking about this stuff.....I think it's more technically correct that way...And yes I took a little flack for letting that other thread go but I gotta call it like I see it.....So far I have never deleted a post about me just about other people. Folks SHOULD be able to fight back.....and speak their minds....

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09-02-2005, 01:24 PM

Posted By: jay behrensBarry, your Wagner sounds like same Wagner I was offer in 1982. Sadly, I was just a poor kid fresh out of high school on a meager military salary, so I couldn't afford the $4k price tag. Lord knows I tried to scrape up the cash, but came up short, so I bought a complete set of t201s in really great shape as a consolation prize along with some other assorted t-cards and Goudeys. I can honestly say that had I been able to purchase that card, I wouldn't have sold it along with the rest of my collection in 1991. Jim, don't worry, you won't be getting any apology from me. And once again, you make the comical statement about people passing judgement on you without knowing you, yet you have done that with me and several others. Pot...kettle...black...mean anything to ya? You have shown me that you don't care for anything beyond the slab and value of card. That may work for you and your friends, but that doesn't mean I, or anyone else has to like it. Just keep collecting the way that makes you happy, that's what it's all about. Jay My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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09-02-2005, 01:30 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthNot to go too much more OT but the board has a tendency to embrace the gang mentality and attack members only when they are in a group. Jim posted nothing that warranted his being slammed. People do not have to like what he collects and that he even endorses PSA or the concept of grading but he is a fellow collector and above all a human being. Having a different opinion can be expressed without the virtual spitting in someone's face.

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09-02-2005, 01:33 PM

Posted By: barrysloateJay- it probably is, because it's a very easy card to document. Only one known Wagner has that particular corner problem. And for Hal, who proclaimed himself God- that's already my position. Could I at least be elected vice-God?

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09-02-2005, 01:34 PM

Posted By: jay behrensGreg, I and several other memebers have found Jim to be very condecending, to say the least. Jay My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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09-02-2005, 01:47 PM

Posted By: Frank WakefieldHal, I feel so sorry for you. Some eagle eyed fellow thinks your card has corner problems. I see no problems whatsoever with that card. But if you see faults or problems, let me know... I could find space in a cigar box for that card. Just trying to help out, Frank.

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09-02-2005, 01:51 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthJay, I have never found Jim to be that way but I recognize that we all do not have the same experiences in life. It is none of my business what you and the others feel Jim has done that characterizes him as condescending but I don't see you and the others attacking other posters who repeatedly come off in that fashion. Greg

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09-02-2005, 02:10 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisMy full name is Halley B. Lewis. This is why there are hymns sung about me...as "Hallelujiah" is Hebrew for "Halley Lewis." <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14> Likewise, the Lord's Prayer begins with a reference to me: "Our Father, who art in heaven, Halley B. thy name..." <img src="/images/wink.gif" height=14 width=14> YES, I AM VERY RELIGIOUS, AND GOD KNOWS THAT I AM ONLY JOKING!!! No need to make any cracks about blasphemy. I know God, I have met God... and I, sir, am no God.

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09-02-2005, 02:14 PM

Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)Ok, that was very insightful... I'll never be able to say the Lord's prayer again without thinking of Honus Wagner... Fred- this question was a party foul <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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09-02-2005, 02:27 PM

Posted By: Peter_SpaethDoes anyone know what the Hal he is talking about? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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09-02-2005, 02:45 PM

Posted By: jay behrensI think Hal a few more beers into the weekend than I am already. Jay My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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09-02-2005, 03:19 PM

Posted By: JimCrandellJay, I and several members have found you to be a real jerk. What a freakin attitude.

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09-02-2005, 03:22 PM

Posted By: WesleyLeon and Brian Is this what we mean by no personal atacks?

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09-02-2005, 03:29 PM

Posted By: rodney kingNO!!!!! Slap fights are just more fun than reading about another obscure old card like the one Hal got. As far as I can tell, it is just another low-grade card not worth slabbing (hey, that Adam is out of here and someone had to say it) <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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09-02-2005, 03:29 PM

Posted By: bkaselCan I join in? I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries. Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time! Thanks for all the bickering, and name calling, I think I will watch the Holy Grail tonight. Hal, your Wagner is beautiful. Congratulations on a job well done! Bill "The beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad, so I had one more for dessert"

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09-02-2005, 03:34 PM

Posted By: warshawlawThat kid was a horse's patoot if ever there was one.

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09-02-2005, 03:45 PM

Posted By: DamianFather Cavanaugh: Son, in 35 years of religious study, I have only come up with two hard incontrovertible facts: there is a God, and I'm not Him. neither is Hal apparently he is one of the card collecting gods though <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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09-02-2005, 04:05 PM

Posted By: R. CookSo you're still wondering why so many people don't even care to post here? Hal, exquisite card - congrats!

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09-02-2005, 04:20 PM

Posted By: petehal, would you ever consider doing a "walk-through-re-slab" with any grading company just to hold it??? i'd pay the fee to be there.... pete-

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09-02-2005, 04:21 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth..to hold what?

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09-02-2005, 04:30 PM

Posted By: DJ"So you're still wondering why so many people don't even care to post here?" WHAT? Leon, is this true? People fear posting here? People, we aren't always going to get along. When you get together with your family for the holidays, isn't there that one relative you dread being around? Both Jay and Jim are adults and active members of this Board. They can fend for themselves. There are some "ugly" Collecting Forums out there where the moderator dude doesn't keep a close eye on the situation and things get out of control. Jim isn't quite a "Moraine" (it's now a verb), but I see where people on this Board can find offense in his beliefs and how he states things. DJ

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09-02-2005, 04:44 PM

Posted By: JohnJim; On several occasions I have asked questions or posted a different view, which may conflict with your view. I have even disagreed with you on several occasions, that is the nature and purpose of a discussion board (to discuss things). My views or thoughts about you as a person was my opinion, I came to this conclusion after reading many of your posts, could I be wrong I hope so. If I have come to the wrong conclusion about you I’m sorry, but the more I see from you the more I tend to validate my original opinion of you. Have I taken some shots at you? Yes I have. Do I feel sorry? No, you have made several off the cuff comments and statements towards people myself included that were rude, wrong and just plain silly. Yet those people aren’t crying the blues or having a select group of people throwing candle light vigils for them. It’s a 2-way street Jim you can post what ever you like, but don’t get you feelings hurt when people disagree with you.

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09-02-2005, 04:49 PM

Posted By: JohnFor the record everyone knows that Hal is not a God! Everyone knows that Hal is a collecting super computer with enormous last second ebay outbidding power! “Everything seems to be working fine Dr. Wagner” <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/piojohn3/smileys/websize/hal%20copy.jpg">