Trimmed cards graded as Authentic: how are they priced?

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>I have several 1933 World Wide Gum cards that were trimmed - well, probably not trimmed, but oddly cut, probably factory cut from the sheet, but not straight. They were encapsulated by GAI as Authentic. One of these cards is a Moe Berg - I have posted a pic of that card here before. How are these cards priced or how do they sell relative to a non-problematic card? Another reason I am asking is in the Goodwin auction there are a couple of interesting cards that are graded Authentic by GAI - they look nice and interesting, but seem to be getting almost no interest in the auction. On the other hand, there's a 1952 Topps Mantle (on ebay) that is graded Authentic by PSA, and the price on that card seems to be doing just fine. So I'm a bit confused, some cards seem to get hit real hard, other cards not much.

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Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>The value of trimmed cards is in large part determined by the actual card. Trimmed cards of common players in most sets will usually show little collector interest. If the set is rare (like E107, Just So Tobacco, or Four Base Hits) then even trimmed cards will have interest to collectors, due to the low population of total cards. Also, extremely popular cards, like a 52 Mantle, will always have interest from collectors, in any condition.

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Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>Is this case, a trimmed '52 Mantle graded authentic went for $8202.00<br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5228296317&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5228296317&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1</a>

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>I think PSA deserves kudo's for the "grading" of this card and the labelling of it. Personally, I wish all of the grading services would do it this way. regards

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>True, Leon!

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Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>They did.....proof it and get back to me <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> That's the reason I said what I said.....take care

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred (Fred)</b><p>It would be nice to have the big 3 (SGC, PSA and GAI) agree on some standards regarding "AUTHENTIC" and labeling the cards with the reason for the "non-grade". This type of collaboration would do well for the hobby and for the grading services. <br /><br />I do think that PSA did the right thing here. I believe that this is the first AUTHENTIC label that I've seen with the reason for the "non-grade". I'm not a PSA fan but this is a step in the right direction.

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Posted By: <b>John Harrell</b><p>Canadian Goudey (World Wide Gum) 33 and 34 issues don't command nearly the price of the regular US sets even though their populations are 15 to 20 times smaller. The Berg, which is one of the more sought-after cards in the set, would probably attract some interest, depending on its appearance. The only WWG issue that typically commands good prices is the 1936 set which is even more scarce that the 33 and 34 sets. <br />Collector interest plays a large role in the price of prewar issues.

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Posted By: <b>Colt McClelland</b><p>I bought these three at the National this year knowing they were trimmed and then SGC slabbed them for me. I also think its great that the grading companies are willing to do this, especially for very old and/or very rare or significant cards. If I am not mistaken, GAI slabs as Authentic, but does not list the reason, which is obviously not the best way to do it.<br /><br /><img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/cmcclelland/e901americancaramels/websize/mitchell-cinci.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/cmcclelland/e901americancaramels/websize/walsh.jpg"> <img src="http://photos.imageevent.com/cmcclelland/e901americancaramels/websize/duffy.jpg">

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Posted By: <b>Anthony</b><p>GAI is now putting grading notes on cards in their data base, so that if you want to know why a card graded a certain way, even years after the fact, all the information can be relayed to you. I"m sure this would be extended to cards graded as "authentic" as well.

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Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>Wow, SGC is doing authentic? This is great news. The question is, will they do it for any card or just "significant" cards?<br /><br />Jay<br><br>My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: <b>WP</b><p>What do you think the services should do if more than one type of restoration has been performed on the card? IE Trimming and color addded and creases removed. I suspect this Mantle card has had more done to it than a minor trim.

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Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Thanks for pointing that out, Leon!!!<br /><br />KUDOS is right!!!!<br /><br />Way to go, SGC and PSA!!

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Posted By: <b>Keith O'Leary</b><p><IMG alt=34rucker.jpg src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1124205783.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>If you have a "1" and you would prefer not to have a number assigned, they will authenticate and encapsulate instead. I did that with my 1949 Lefty O'Doul Japanese bromide card, since I knew it was a technical one but I was really more interested in having it protected for display than having it graded. <br /><br />Edited to say:<br /><br />Oh, to get back to the original query: I think if the card is rare and/or significant, only an auction can really establish a price for it. Otherwise, I think about 5%-10% of retail/book for the card is a good baseline retail price.