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06-12-2005, 12:44 PM

Posted By: joe brennanTime for the experts. What is it and is there such a card? <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86839&item=5207494040&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86839&item=5207494040&rd=1</a> "I had the right to remain silent. I just didn't have the ability" Ron White

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06-12-2005, 01:08 PM

Posted By: bcornellJoe - It's an E102. Apologies to Dan for outing the card... Bill

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06-12-2005, 01:14 PM

Posted By: AnsonThat would be an E102 Anonymous Ah, beaten to the punch!

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06-12-2005, 04:36 PM

Posted By: AnonymousThank you very much "I had the right to remain silent. I just didn't have the ability" Ron White

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06-12-2005, 04:48 PM

Posted By: BCDMonica Lewinski? <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1118641826.JPG">

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06-13-2005, 08:56 AM

Posted By: HowieYou might want to be careful on the ungraded cards he's selling because he's also selling some graded cards. The pictures are so bad it's hard to tell much, but on this Frank Chance card you can see clearly what it isn't. <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86839&item=5207484170&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86839&item=5207484170&rd=1</a>

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06-13-2005, 09:24 AM

Posted By: Bill Kaselbut why would you trust someone's judgement on the authenticity of a card when they don't even know the series and type of card they are selling? John Madden (aka Bill ) "The beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad, so I had one more for dessert"

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06-13-2005, 10:44 AM

Posted By: joe brennanI wasnt going to bid on it. I am just gathering all the information I can. This story will tell you a little about my personality and it is good info for everyone. I play Texas Hold-em for a second income. You wont see me on TV playing the tourneys or on any interviews. I'm the guy in the back ground playing the money games around the tourneys. Now with that said, AN expert gambler told me 30 years ago, There are only 2 types of people that walk through the doors of a casino, " Experts and Dopes" There are none in between. You either know every odd of every bet and everything about the game you are playing or you are a dope. SO, Being new to the T206's I am a dope striving for info to become an expert, and the only way to gain this is question things that I do not know and retain the information. Now with that said anyone want to play poker this weekend for collections? LOL J/K. "I had the right to remain silent. I just didn't have the ability" Ron White

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06-13-2005, 12:06 PM

Posted By: warshawlawJust like you can research a stock closely and still lose. Knowledge only keeps you from losing stupidly.

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06-13-2005, 01:12 PM

Posted By: Anonymousyou can still know everything about every bet and lose June 13 2005, 2:06 PM Just like you can research a stock closely and still lose. Knowledge only keeps you from losing stupidly. Truer words were never spoken, but unlike stocks, odds and percentages payoff in the ong run. Thats why casinos are still running. SO if you are always on the high percentage of winning hands or leading, in the long run you will win money. Bank on it. "I had the right to remain silent. I just didn't have the ability" Ron White

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06-13-2005, 11:45 PM

Posted By: AnsonI believe the card is genuine. However, I'm not real sure that it hasn't been altered. For a card of that scarcity, I would hope that the guy could invest in a better digital camera or scanner. It just plain hurts my eyes.

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06-14-2005, 06:45 AM

Posted By: warshawis millions of iterations. Players rely on luck; casinos rely on math. Over the millions of plays the casinos win. I visit Las Vegas annually (at least) and study all of the games exhaustively in my spare time. Some are unbeatable because they rely on large scale repetitions to grind out results. Slot machine paybacks, for example, are calculated based on 1 million plays. For that reason, saying that a machine is "loose" or is "due" is utter crap as is any other slots betting strategy; you simply cannot strategize over a million repetition betting cycle. If a player gets lucky, however, the casino will lose on that player, fueling the legend and boosting sales. Some games have odds that are dependent on prior plays. Blackjack dealt face up is the classic. If the player knows the game and can read a tip in the odds (as in card counting( they can clean up. The casinos have safeguards to prevent this from happening; they kick your ass out if they think you are counting. Craps is a pure luck game; the odds of any event are precisely the same with each roll because each roll resets the scenario. That is why you can play a hedge in craps by betting pass and no pass at the same time and stacking up the odds on no pass when the point is 4 or 10 (2x as likely to crap out as make that point). If the casino allows large odds on bets you can really rake it in just with that play, which is why the strip casinos limit odds to 5x or 10x. Find an off-strip casino that allows 100x odds and try it, then watch how quickly they call over the pit boss to counter you. The other way to do this is to team up with someone and bet their opposite with whoever is no pass stacking up the bet on 4 and 10. The casinos combat players who think in this game by paying off at reduced rates relative to actual odds of events happening (for example, a 12 happens only 1/36 of the time but pays only 30:1 on a straight bet, which gives the casino a big edge over time if you are stupid enough to place that bet). Roulette is a pure luck game too. Unfortunately, the US version has an extra green slot (00) which dramatically shifts the odds for the house from bad to horrible. Poker is a hybrid game. The odds change with each deal because the deck composition shifts but since you don't see all of the other players' cards you cannot count in absolute terms as you can in face-up black jack. The more cards you actually see (as In Texas Hold 'Em), the more a really schooled player to make a very good guess as to which cards the others hold. Also remember that Poker is not a you versus the casino game--the casino rakes a commission from the winnings in normal card rooms--so the casinos do not have the same desire to get rid of skill players as they do in blackjack.

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06-14-2005, 08:53 AM

Posted By: joe brennanVery true in all your statements. A professional Blackjack player cuts the casino odds to less than 1%, so this is your best chance at beating the casino if you play perfectly. Believe or not the next best game is Video Poker .If you find a machine paying 9-1 for full houses and play perfectly, the house odds are lesss than 2%. Poker tables are the only place in the casino that you play against other players. The casino takes a rake from each hand, usually up to 4 %. They dont care how much you win, because they have their money regardless. With the boom of this Poker Madness on TV, with tourneys and such, it has brought in a whole new breed of players. Watching these pros on TV is entirely different than a real money game. With their tourney life at stake these pros are more likely to bluff huge or fold middle hands when there is $100K's of difference between say 6th place and 4th. Not so in a money game where you can just reach in your pocket and pull out more money. Also, these new players have tunnel vision, they only see their hands and not the possiblities of others. They have no concept of odds of making their hands as they push large sums of money in the pot to draw at a gut shot straight and such. This gets back to my original statements of knowing all the possibilities at play and making sound decisions. Reading players is another topic. This cant be taught, only learned over time. So for the seasoned pro, $2-5 No limits games can earn them $1000 a session twice a week without any problems. Hopefully, this TV boom will continue until I am on a Trpical Island sipping drinks with umbrellas in them. Out "I had the right to remain silent. I just didn't have the ability" Ron White