Do these Goudeys look trimmed?

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1118510233.JPG"> <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1118510109.JPG"> <br /><br />I bought these cards as part of a set. The set had mainly graded cards with a few ungraded cards. The ungraded cards seem to be trimmed to me. Hopefully the images are big enough to tell - what do you think?<br /><br />I am not mentioning the seller because I am not putting my real name to this thread. I just want an opinion as to whether it is clear that these cards are trimmed. I think its a bit tougher to tell from a scan than it is in person, but I am wondering if it is still obvious from the scans.

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Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>They both look trimmed.

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>cmoking,<br /><br />I'd say they're sheet cut after the fact. And based on the type of cut, I doubt it was done in a deceptive manner. Odds are it was also done quite some time ago.

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>so these would be completely ungradeable by PSA, SGC or GAI - right? Will any grade them as "authentic" even though they are trimmed?<br /><br />These cards (along with 4 other similarly cut) were part of a whole set I bought. Any advice on what I should do? I am thinking of coming up with a fair number that I think should be refunded to me - given that 6 cards are not gradeable and are trimmed. And if he refuses, I would just return the whole set. That seems fair to me, what do you think?

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>Hi, those Goudeys look like they were primped with hedge cutters.

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Posted By: <b>MW</b><p>cmoking,<br /><br />I wouldn't get all bent out of shape about it. The seller probably wasn't aware that a few of the cards in the set came from a sheet that was chopped many years ago. In any case, I don't think either of the two cards you have pictured are deceptively altered. If the seller guaranteed you that all of the cards in the set would grade, it was probably just an oversight on his part.

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>There was no explicit guarantee about the ungraded cards being gradeable. I bought a set that I knew was almost fully graded, except for a handful of cards. I was told those cards were EX/NM condition on average (which they are, if not for the trimmed part). I was ok with that when I purchased it...until I saw that they are ungradeable. So I'm deciding how I should respond.

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Posted By: <b>Dave H</b><p>Do you feel you got a fair price for what you received if you remove all the 'bad' cards?

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Posted By: <b>cmoking</b><p>I'm not sure if I got a fair price or not, I'm not sure that many people could say one or another definitively. All I want to say is that this is not a typical Goudey set.

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Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>I doubt you can get them graded as authentic. GAI has stopped doing that as has SGC except in rare cases. You might try PSA, their attitude is they will grade a card as authentic if the particular grader feels like it, some do, some don't. I kid you not, they emailed this fact to me a while back. Don't believe me? One of their graders graded the T207 blank backs from ebay and even assigned numerical grades while another of their graders rejected others altogether, not because of trimming or authenticity, but just "because." Their rep sent a few emails to me and said she was checking it out and could I send scans of the ones they graded (which I did), but she went silent on me and I never heard back from her.

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Posted By: <b>David Vargha</b><p><i>Their rep sent a few emails to me and said she was checking it out and could I send scans of the ones they graded (which I did), but she went silent on me and I never heard back from her.</i><br /><br />She's probably buried right next to Joe Orlando's forthcoming explanation that he promised about WIWAG.<br><br>DavidVargha@hotmail.com