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05-27-2005, 10:10 AM
Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>I've only purchased one or two items from yahoo auctions over the past couple years, but there are a couple items that recently caught my attention. There is a seller with handle "dacommish19" who's selling a Crackjack Cobb PSA 5, 52 Topps Mantle PSA 7 and 33 Goudey Ruth PSA 8. The seller has two positive feedbacks. <br /><br /><br /><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/90123153?aucview=0x30" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/90123153?aucview=0x30</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/90123153?aucview=0x30</a</a>><br /><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/90131560?aucview=0x30" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/90131560?aucview=0x30</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/90131560?aucview=0x30</a</a>><br /><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/89940311?aucview=0x30" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/89940311?aucview=0x30</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/89940311?aucview=0x30</a</a>><br /><br /><br />I have several questions or opinions I'd like solicit members on <br /><br />1) Yahoo offers buyer protection upto $10K, add paypal buyer protection; what are the chances of getting burned and out money? <br />2) Anyone had problems with graded cards purchased from Yahoo?<br />3) Anyhow know who this seller is? <br />4) Why yahoo? The seller has very little "feedback" What are the chances these are stolen images?<br /><br />thanks<br /><br />Brian<br /><br />

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05-27-2005, 10:18 AM
Posted By: <b>Ben</b><p>I'd say the chances of getting burned are about 99.9%<br /><br />The only other items this guy has sold is a pair of Air Jordans and a Phat Farm shirt. Oh wait! You wont even get that much, because when you read the fine print it says all you'll get is the retailer lists. Is this the kind of guy you want to buy your high end Cobbs Mantles and Ruths from? I think not. Stick to sellers with high feedback and good reputations, because all a seller like this will do is cause a whole lot of unnecessary grief.

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05-27-2005, 10:30 AM
Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>Ya know what's even more interesting, with a little more research I found the CrackJack Cobb, sure enough...same image of the card sold on the REA auction! Either the image is stolen or the buyer had remorse for the $5000 card they won on REA. <br /><br />Brian

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05-27-2005, 10:32 AM
Posted By: <b>Jim F</b><p>I can't believe someone would even consider sending this guy money!!! Someone with cards like that would not put them on Yahoo for 5% or less of their value. C'mon!!

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05-27-2005, 10:33 AM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>I dont trust Yahoo! auctions for legit dealings. Too many scams there. However, I do search thier auctions from time to time, & saw that Ruth yesterday. Just out of curiosity, I asked the seller if I could pay for the card in person, since I live not too far from Houston. No response at this time. I agree with Ben, that the chances of this being a scam is huge. I wouldn't trust Yahoo! or PayPal when using buyer protection plans, but I've never had to deal with that issue. I just think knowing who your buying from means so much in this hobby.

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05-27-2005, 10:36 AM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>People just love using those REA images. Seems to be a great place to check when seeing stuff like this.

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05-27-2005, 10:36 AM
Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>And the 1933 Goudey Ruth, same image as the card sold on Mastronet.

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05-27-2005, 10:45 AM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>I think I watch the Yahoo! auctions purely for the entertainment value, but it still makes me a little mad.

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05-27-2005, 11:09 AM
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>Its rules are arbitrary and idiotic. I got burned on a deal where the seller sent me two fake OJ cards. Modern laser copies on cardboard with shellack. Paypal's response: you got something, so no protection. If the seller did not obtain proof of delivery, woe to the seller--paypal will steal the $$ from his bank account on the word of the buyer. If the seller can prove a package was delivered, however, paypal washes its hands of the matter, even if the package contains something totally different than what you bought. Any time I use paypal to buy an item worth more than a few bucks I use a credit card to pay. That way, if the item is bogus or misrepresented I can make a claim with the CC company instead.

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05-27-2005, 11:16 AM
Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>if you buy vintage cards from yahoo auctions then you are a<br /><br />yahoo<br /><br />n 1: not very intelligent or interested in culture [syn: yokel, rube, hick, hayseed, bumpkin, chawbacon] <br /> <br />

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05-27-2005, 11:27 AM
Posted By: <b>Brian McQueen</b><p><br />I've heard of Paypal withdrawing fees (sans warning) from your Paypal account. Are they actually able to go beyond that and take money directly from your actual bank account as well?

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05-27-2005, 11:36 AM
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Brian - yes, Paypal can go into your account and pull out money. However, by the time any claims are filed and the scammer does the runaround, all of the funds in both his Paypal and bank accounts are usually long gone.<br /><br />Warshawlaw - similar thing happened to me. I bought a Goudey Ruth through ebay using a credit card through Paypal. The seller sent me an empty box through Fedex. Paypal did nothing because, as far as they are concerned, the seller sent a box of something with proof of mailing. Luckily I recouped my money through a credit card chargeback.

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05-27-2005, 11:40 AM
Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>if a dispute arises they ask the seller to have sufficent funds in their paypal acct.to cover the transaction amount. if you don't i do not know if they charge your credit card or if they can take from bank acct., as i always made sure i had the amount in question in my paypal acct. edited to add--- i have lost one dispute as a seller, when the buyer claimed condition not as stated even though pic and discription was as advertized.

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05-27-2005, 11:40 AM
Posted By: <b>Richard</b><p>Just a clarification on the above - yes, Paypal can pull money out of your Bank account, not just your Paypal account. It is in their fine print users agreement that you sign when you open a Paypal account.<br /><br />I agree that Paypal's Buyer's Protection is a joke and I make that assertion from personal experience. Their customer support is awful.

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05-27-2005, 11:40 AM
Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>Bogus auctions really irritate me, whether Yahoo or Ebay. Money should never be more important than integity. I hate seeing people ripped off, fortunately I have never been one of them. Usually I'm very careful and do my homework.<br /><br />I recently bought a T206 reprint doctored to look like a legit card. I purchased the card to educate myself on authentic versus fake tobacco cards. The seller clearly advertised the card as a reprint and Not Authentic. The scan looked legit and even holding it next to my authentic T206s, the card looked and felt extremely convincing, ridiculously convincing. There weren't any differences under a black light, it wasn't until I took a 30X Loupe to it, could I see the suble differences. <br /><br />There two or three sellers on Ebay that are selling doctored T206 Cobbs, they say that the card has not been authenticated and thus they're selling it as a reprint. These cards are consistently selling for $25-100. I beleive people are bidding on these items with the hope the card is authentic knowing the possibility the card is a reprint. The seller is praying on this false hope. The seller knows for certain the card is a reprint but places hope in the sellers heart; I think it is sad and shameful. I've provided hyperlinks of the final auctions below. I've complained to Ebay but technically the rules are not violated. <br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5199501801&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5199501801&rd=1</a><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5199505494&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5199505494&rd=1</a><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5199500361&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5199500361&rd=1</a><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5199906328&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5199906328&rd=1</a><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5199387457&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5199387457&rd=1</a><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5199486380&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5199486380&rd=1</a><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5198940831&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5198940831&rd=1</a><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5198944762&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5198944762&rd=1</a><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5198330254&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5198330254&rd=1</a><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5197024111&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5197024111&rd=1</a><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5197023209&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5197023209&rd=1</a><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5196352863&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86840&item=5196352863&rd=1</a><br /><br />Responsible sellers: vintagecardsltd vintageyardsale<br />ebargainwholesale<br /><br /><br />thanks<br /><br />Brian Engelhard

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05-27-2005, 04:33 PM
Posted By: <b>Tim James</b><p>The Mantle is Mastronet also.Like,we can believe that this guy bought these from Mastronet,and decided to sell them on a Yahoo auction ?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=45982&CurrentRow=21" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=45982&CurrentRow=21</a>

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05-28-2005, 12:20 AM
Posted By: <b>Brian</b><p>I recall in previous threads that its takes three complaints to get yahoo's attention and cancel an auction. It's clear to me this guy does not have two premium cards from the Matronet auction and one from REA. <br /><br />If you feel as strongly about this as I do, please file a complaint as I did. The next three links are the Mastronet and REA lots. The three links after that are the lots on yahoo and the final three links make it extremely simple to file a complaint. I appreciate your support in making this right<br /><br />Stolen images and descriptions<br /><a href="http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=45982&CurrentRow=21" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=45982&CurrentRow=21</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=45982&CurrentRow=21</a</a>><br /><a href="http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=45744&CurrentRow=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=45744&CurrentRow=1</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=45744&CurrentRow=1</a</a>><br /><a href="http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=2590&getauctionid=10" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=2590&getauctionid=10</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=2590&getauctionid=10</a</a>><br /><br />Yahoo lots:<br /><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/90123153?aucview=0x30" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/90123153?aucview=0x30</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/90123153?aucview=0x30</a</a>><br /><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/90131560?aucview=0x30" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/90131560?aucview=0x30</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/90131560?aucview=0x30</a</a>><br /><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/89940311?aucview=0x23" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/89940311?aucview=0x23</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/89940311?aucview=0x23</a</a>><br /><br />File a complaint (I think you need a yahoo auction account)<br /><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/show/reviews?aID=90123153" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/show/reviews?aID=90123153</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/show/reviews?aID=90123153</a</a>><br /><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/show/reviews?aID=90131560" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/show/reviews?aID=90131560</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/show/reviews?aID=90131560</a</a>><br /><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/show/reviews?aID=89940311" target="_new" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/show/reviews?aID=89940311</a" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/show/reviews?aID=89940311</a</a>><br /><br />thanks<br /><br />Brian<br />

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05-28-2005, 06:54 AM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Yes the scammers get under my skin too. Sorry, but I dont think I can add to the Yahoo! neighborhood watch for this person, because I have no Yahoo! auctions feedback. Just to be a pain in the arse, I submitted a question to the seller asking "why would you win this PSA 8 Ruth on the recent Mastronet auction for $38000.00, & then sell it on Yahoo with such a low opening bid"? My question was removed, & now I'm black-listed by the seller from asking anymore questions! We all know it's a scam, but it still stinks when you see this stuff. I would love to see a thread on this board dedicated to identifying forgeries, reprints, & scams.