Possible fake Lefty O'Doul autograph

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>I'd not bother with this one:<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5170010813&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5170010813&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1</a><br /><br />O'Doul has a very distinct autograph I've been looking at for some time. IMHO this one is way too vertical and the interaction of the O and D are all wrong. <br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>shellyjaffe</b><p>What bothers me about this autograph is there are no quote marks. All the signiture that I have show quote marks around the lefty.Unless it is there and I cant see it.

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Posted By: <b>J.McMurry</b><p>Yeah the quotes are there, and I believe this seller to be a good guy, but I wouldnt buy it it simply for the terrible small scan. If you can't show me a close, clean scan of the signature, I'm not bidding. jmo.

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Posted By: <b>dennis</b><p>first let me say this,i know nothing about lefty o'doul autographs.i never looked at his signature. i would believe this to be 100% real for the following (dumb?)reasoning. good seller,tells his source.why fake an auto on a 3 x 5? why lefty o'doul?

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Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p>I dont know about the autograph,Rhys Yeakley might know best since hes had at least 3 of them to my knowledge but to answer the last question,Lefty O'doul is a popular player,many feel should be in the hall of fame for his overall contribution.He also has refused to sign autographs for the last 35+ years.Put those 2 things together and you have a popular autograph

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Posted By: <b>hrbaker</b><p>He has also been dead for a considerable portion of those last 35 years.

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Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p>I didnt say why he refused to sign,i just said he wont.Trust me you can stand in line all day,he wont even acknowledge you<br /><br />Basically 35 years means hes not the easiest signature to find,and the fact hes a popular player makes it that much harder.I would still talk to Rhys before i bought one,which im really not planning on doing anyway(buy a Lefty auto. that is not talk to Rhys,ill talk to him whenever he wants)

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>for all I know he/she is a great dealer. What I am saying is that O'Doul's signature is very distinctive and very consistent (he signed all the checks for his restaurant, BTW, so there are a good number of solid sigs out there and a check is probably the best way to get him) and this one doesn't look good as compared to known verifiable exemplars.

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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>Since you guys were nice and eluded to the fact that I know O'Doul's signature pretty well, I have scanned what is a good progression of his signature.<br /><br />The top autograph is an O'Doul signature signed about 1928 and as far as I know, is the earliest O'Doul signature signed "Lefty" known to exist. Notice the absence of quotation marks.<br /><br />The bottom autograph was signed in the late 1960's very shortly before his death and is very consistant with other later signatures. <br /><br />These (2) autographs look somewhat different but are clearly consistant for being signed 40 years apart. I do not want to venture a guess on the authenticity of the item in question, but I will say that the seller has bought several items from me in the past and seems like a very honest and reputable seller.<br /><br />Rhyshttp://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1109534426.JPG <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1109534426.JPG">

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>a Lefty O'Doul restaurant check couple days back. Know anything about these Rhys? Hopefully not secretarial sig.....<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=53&item=5166712221&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=53&item=5166712221&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW</a><br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Rhys</b><p>I have never owned a check from his restaurant, but have seen many. Yours looks good and I would say it is 100% real. From my knowledge Lefty O'Doul never used a third party to autograph his name. I have never heard of a secretarial signed O'Doul document. I think you got agood buy.

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Posted By: <b>Tom Boblitt</b><p>Another O'Doul check up for a reasonable opening bid.....<br />Slightly off topic.....<br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=53&item=5199046985&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=53&item=5199046985&rd=1</a>