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04-25-2005, 01:18 AM

Posted By: peteI recently submitted a Ty Cobb Green Portrait T206 to PSA with a tiny speck of "paperloss" on the front and received it back as a POOR 1. Outside of the speck of paperloss, it would definitely bring in a 3 maybe a 4. My question is..."how did this Ty Cobb on Ebay (item #5188946570) receive a PSA 4 with a "big" spot of paperloss on the front ? (sorry, I dont know how to add a link or scan) could it be a "switch-o-roo" ? the edges of the card holder are hard to see if there is any "frost" from tampering. pete-

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04-25-2005, 01:58 AM

Posted By: jay behrensMy guess would be that the card was submitted by one of their premier accounts. PSA has been known to give preferential treatment to certain submitters. Jay I like to sit outside drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home I would be arrested, so I go to baseball games and fit right in.

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04-25-2005, 10:01 AM

Posted By: dstudebaI have an SGC 4 with paperloss right on the player's chin. It has annoyed me ever since I bought it and will probably be replaced by a card of lower grade. I don't mind paper loss on the back, but one the front it can really ruin the eye appeal of the card.

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04-25-2005, 10:15 AM

Posted By: Judge DredThe seller is SCGAYNOR, I couldn't imagine he'd have anything to do with selling a card in a tampered holder. My guess is that one of those great graders just missed it. Like they say - buy the card not the holder...!!!

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04-25-2005, 10:49 AM

Posted By: Scott ElkinsI bought an already graded PSA 6 Brodleaf 350 T206 and it had OVER a 1 inch CREASE in the center of the card! This didn't really upset THAT much, until I sent PSA a nice T206 Lenox Cobb I bought from a find with a small corner crease and they gave it a PSA PR/FR 1!!!!!!!! It is all in who you are with that bunch.

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04-25-2005, 11:00 AM

Posted By: Bruce BabcockI once received a grade of PSA 8 (!?!) for a card with paper loss on the front - a 1969 Topps Super Mantle. I no longer have the card.

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04-25-2005, 12:50 PM

Posted By: petePSA needs to be a little "more consistent" with their grading, maybe they should put paperloss in their qualifiers grading list. "paperloss drops grade at least 1" or something along those lines. pete-

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04-25-2005, 01:08 PM

Posted By: MarkThat white, circular spot you're referring to is obviously the baseball that Cobb is readying himself to swing at.

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04-25-2005, 01:21 PM

Posted By: barry arnoldEmerson said long ago that consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds. He obviously didn't love vintage cards like we do! PSA is often inconsistent in its grading, making me convert to SGC some time back. Not trying to get one of those SGC over PSA debates going--just letting you know my experience. all the best Barry

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04-25-2005, 03:12 PM

Posted By: ZachAnother example of a t206 in a four with paperloss on the front. <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=5189362338&rd=1" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=5189362338&rd=1</a>

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04-25-2005, 04:06 PM

Posted By: quanif you look at both serials, it's the 9XXXXXX series. from my understanding isn't each grader assigned a different number? Most of the stuff I send in is graded by 3XXXXXX now, a couple years back it was either the 3XXXXX or the 1xxxxxxxx, like Mike Baker's used to start with 0XXXXXX? Is this making sense? So maybe the 9 grader has a different standard. I try to stay away from PSA cards that start with serial 4XXXXXX. I've found most of the alleged altered and trimmed stuff comes with that serial.

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04-25-2005, 05:21 PM

Posted By: Julie<img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/1887gleason2.jpg">

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04-26-2005, 03:41 AM

Posted By: warshawlaw<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> Looks like they got one right...

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04-26-2005, 10:28 AM

Posted By: JulieAt first, there was NOTHING on the back of this card, and now there's glue residue...the front is about perfect. Who cares about the back of an OJ, unless someione has written something interesting on it? <img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/jphotos/BN172Dsb002.jpg">

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04-26-2005, 10:41 AM

Posted By: Judge DredJulie, Perhaps you could get PSA to grade that card with all of the writing (assuming it's a former Buck Barker card). You could then ask PSA to designate it as from the "Buck Barker Collection". The only problem you'd have is that someone from PSA/DNA would question whether it was Buck Barkers hand writing (or not). It could then be labeled as "Possibly Coming from the Buck Barker Collection" unless you paid them a few dollars more to get rid of the "Possibly Coming from the..." portion of the origin designation. The only other problem you'd have is that MK qualifier, but then again they would probably overlook it because it came from the Barker collection. Maybe they'd turn a blind eye to trimmed cards that previously resided in "prestigious" collections. That's never happened before, has it (Harris Collection of T206 cards)? I'd better stop before I get on a roll.

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04-26-2005, 10:42 AM

Posted By: Judge DredJulie, By the way, you got robbed on that Gleason GAI grade.

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04-26-2005, 10:51 AM

Posted By: quanok so the photo clarity is excellent, which is what most OJ collectors go after...but unless I'm mistaken that's two huge chunks of paper loss due to album removal. Since the front is so breathtaking I agree with the technical GOOD grade, otherwise I might even call the card fair.

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04-26-2005, 11:51 AM

Posted By: Judge DredWithout seeing the card in person I am going to go off of the scan. I see a very slight amount of paper loss on the back, left side of the bottom adhesive stain and two overall adhesive stains. I've seen PSA inconsistently grade cards like this. I have OJ cards graded PSA6 that have obvious adhesive staining and I also have a load of cards with adhesive staining graded in the "2" range. In any case the grading companies are very inconsistent. OJ collectors are pretty much in line with trying to get a clear picture first and then scrutinizing the back second.

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04-26-2005, 12:00 PM

Posted By: Darren J. DuetBarry, The complete quote: A foolish consistency is the hobglobin of small minds.

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04-26-2005, 12:08 PM

Posted By: barry arnoldI'm even more proud of being part of such a learned group. Thanks, Darren. One day getting to read folks various translations of the french language, another day doing a bit of transcendentalism, another day discussing the aesthetics of various card poses!!! And much,much more. What a great group! all the best Barry Arnold

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04-26-2005, 12:13 PM

Posted By: Benthe complete quote is: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines." Emerson is probably my all-time favorite writer/transcendentalist, and this quote comes perhaps his opus work, "self-reliance". Truly a must read for anyone and everyone. Here's a link to an online text: <a href="http://www.online-literature.com/emerson/588" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.online-literature.com/emerson/588</a> Enjoy! now back to cards....

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04-27-2005, 12:41 AM

Posted By: petethe seller did confirm those white spots were in fact "paperloss" as opposed to "scan problems"....i still hate PSA pete-

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04-29-2005, 03:09 AM

Posted By: BcDI have a PSA 5 (not 4) N-162 of a non sport pro with letter loss on the back.