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03-23-2005, 10:21 AM
Posted By: <b>DY</b><p>Hi, I am interested in information about how many real T206 Honus Wagners are<br />known to exist? And what is the real story behind their value?<br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />DY

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03-23-2005, 10:50 AM
Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>Dave,<br /><br />Is this a joke? Are you sure you didn't find a T206 Wagner with your cards too?<br /><br />The cards you mention and images you posted are the EXACT same ones as being offered in an auction that was covered in a <br />thread titled "Estate auction....Ramly's and more...." at www.fobailey.com and are to be sold on March 26th.<br /><br />You couldn't even change the name of the files.... <br /><br />Not a very creative story either. Most put enough effort into their BS to involve a dead relative somehow.

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03-23-2005, 10:53 AM
Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>This is funny. Perhaps Dave didnt want the rest of us to find out about the auction.

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03-23-2005, 11:25 AM
Posted By: <b>robert a</b><p>hmmm. maybe we should go back to "game used" with threads like this. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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03-23-2005, 11:31 AM
Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>Build it and they will come. Vintage card collecting and game-used collecting are both infested with "Daves". I guess vintage memorabilia is safe as long as you guys can keep providing a fertile breeding ground for these kooks.

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03-23-2005, 11:36 AM
Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>I dont get what happened on this thread, obviously there was an attempt to deceive, what was it? just curious...

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03-23-2005, 11:36 AM
Posted By: <b>Greg Ecklund</b><p>Edited to save face...what happened to the E95's that you found in Vermont?<br /><br />Sometimes the edit fuction on this site is abused...

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03-23-2005, 11:39 AM
Posted By: <b>David Hobson</b><p>I had it in my cache. I don't understand the motivation behind the story he told. I didn't realize he was editing it and when I saw he changed all the wording, I tried but couldn't recover the original message from my cache.<br /><br />Oh well.

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03-23-2005, 11:49 AM
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Is there anyone who doesn't know about the auction this weekend? Are those cards going to end up costing more than in a Mastro auction? I too noticed the Carrigan and Cobb were the exact cards from Bailey's. I guess the day of the bargain is history.

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03-23-2005, 12:02 PM
Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>THIS is what the original post said before editing:<br /><br />__________________________________________________ ____________________________________<br /><br />1909 E95 Cobb & Signed Bill Carrigan...Need help<br />March 23 2005 at 11:21 AM<br />Dave Yoken (Login dyoken)<br /><br />Hi everyone,<br /><br /> A few years back, I bought about 25 1909 E95 Philadelphia Caramels, among others,<br /> at a small antiques auction house in Vermont. <br /> Among them are a Ty Cobb and a Bill Carrigan that is signed by Carrigan.<br /><br /> I am fairly certain these are real cards, as they were found in an old album<br /> labeled "Tobacco Cards" in an old farmhouse in Vermont. And since they were<br /> in an album, most of the cards have tape on the corners, but are in otherwise<br /> decent shape, as you can see by my scans below.<br /><br /> My questions are: <br /><br /> 1) Do you think they are real?<br /> 2) I am looking to sell them. Are they worth anything in this condition, especially considering the tape residue on the front? <br /> 3) I have never seen a signed tobacco or caramel issue before. If this Carrigan card is authenticated, is it worth anything?<br /> 3) Should I send them in to PSA or SGC for grading?<br /> 4) Where is the best place to sell them for a decent return on my money, and would you have any idea what they might be worth?<br /><br /> Here are the scans, and thanks so much for all your help and advice!!!<br /><br />__________________________________________________ ____________________________________<br /><br /><br />He then posted images used from the fobailey site. <br /><br />

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03-23-2005, 12:03 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>To whomever started this thread,<br />This is an unacceptable situation the way this thread has gone. If you do it again you could be banned from the board unless you have a real good explanation. thanks

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03-23-2005, 12:05 PM
Posted By: <b>Jim Foer</b><p>It is indeed getting very tough to make real finds in the age of the Internet. I suppose<br />this auction is now going to be off-limits to people with limited budgets...<br /><br />I'd love to hear stories about great finds from the past few years, if there are any?!?! Anyone???

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03-23-2005, 12:07 PM
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>Leon- As soon as I saw the scans I knew the poster was not asking about his own collection but was trying to get some free information to help his bidding on Saturday. I agree it was deceptive and unacceptable. He claimed to own cards that weren't his.

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03-23-2005, 12:12 PM
Posted By: <b>Scott M</b><p>Pete, <br /><br />Maybe he wants your expert opinion so you can tell him how much he should be bidding this weekend? <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />Edited to add<br /><br />Barry.. you beat me to the punch... pretty obvious that hes trolling to know where to set his bids...

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03-23-2005, 12:15 PM
Posted By: <b>petecld</b><p>I noticed the same thing as Barry did which is why I made the response I did. <br /><br />Considering the cards are tape stained and/or glued to paper I can't see them bringing huge dollars but that's just my opinion.

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03-23-2005, 12:17 PM
Posted By: <b>barrysloate</b><p>He probably thought he was the only one in America who knew about the auction. Those days are over.

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03-23-2005, 12:26 PM
Posted By: <b>rob</b><p>for explaining the fraud...I knew something was up but couldnt figure out what had happened.

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03-23-2005, 12:29 PM
Posted By: <b>Chuck R</b><p>he was hoping to make a side deal with a board member on cards he didn't own (and also hoping the auction was too obscure to be noticed). He may have seen the feeding frenzy of side offers that erupted last week when someone mentioned they were ready to sell their collection.

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03-23-2005, 01:15 PM
Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>For what its worth, Dave (the original poster) actually sent me an email on the side (I guess since I commented on the auction). He recognizes he made a mistake in his approach but seems pretty straight up. I will let him explain if he wishes, but I recommend he be given a second chance on this one.

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03-23-2005, 01:20 PM
Posted By: <b>Scott Forrest</b><p>Someone who actually posted here quite regularly made a deal with me on a card, then posted here saying that he owned the card and wanted to know the value. When board members responded that it was HIGHER than the deal we agreed on, he sent the check. Wow. I'm guessing he had the card sold to another board member before I even mailed it.

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03-23-2005, 01:36 PM
Posted By: <b>jay behrens</b><p>There are deals to be found out there yet. Probably jsut not in baseball cards. REcently I was able to pick up a wonderful Winchester die-cut store ad from 1934 for $100 and flipped it quick on eBay for a tidy profit. The auction was posted on the internet and it was one of the featured pieces of the auction. I jsut wish I had known how valuable the the 19c Winchester calanders were. I bailed out at $300 each. Then last Tues a 1936 Winchester calander got listed and sold for almost $1k!!!! The 19c ones sold for $300 and $375. If only I had known. But, yes, there are still great deals to be had. You just have to look into other areas of collectibles.<br /><br />Jay<br><br>I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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03-23-2005, 01:37 PM
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>but if anyone goes to the auction and wins boxing cards they don't want I would be interested.

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03-23-2005, 01:45 PM
Posted By: <b>Bryan Long</b><p>was anyone making the trip up there? I have my Absentee bid ready. I know I won't win but you never know.

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03-23-2005, 11:46 PM
Posted By: <b>tbob</b><p>I've been so bummed since my last futile attempt at bidding in a live auction with an absentee bid that I am almost inclined to let this auction pass by. Almost.....