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02-20-2005, 02:41 PM

Posted By: BenI just returned to my apartment in Montreal to discover that my entire collection, sparing a few cabinets, was stolen. I had kept everything in a box in my clothing droor, covered with clothing, and when I got back just 20 minutes ago, that box was sitting open on my bedroom floor, empty. As you might imagine, I am very shaken and upset....and haven't taken any action yet. I suppose calling the police and all the pawn shops in my area is the first step. My worst nightmare has come true. Any help in tracking down my cards would be much appreciated. Scans of all the cards are on my website: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/mc_big_ben/tobacco_cards" target="_new">http://www.geocities.com/mc_big_ben/tobacco_cards</a> now pardon me while I resume pinching myself in disbelief.

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02-20-2005, 02:45 PM

Posted By: Scott ElkinsHopefully you and the police will be able to track them down! Being a recent victim of a $1200 eBay "Second-Chance" scam, I can somewhat empathize. However, I couldn't imagine all of my cards being stolen - that is terrible! Good luck getting them back - I hate these scum more every time I hear something like this!

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02-20-2005, 02:47 PM

Posted By: WesleyBen, I am so sorry to hear about that. It is hard to believe, but you really need to get a move on things immediately. Go file a report with your local police right away. I think your best chance of recovery is in the next few days. Wesley

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02-20-2005, 02:51 PM

Posted By: petecldOh my God... definitely go to the police. I hate having to do it but I'm glad I keep all my pricey cards outside my house.

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02-20-2005, 02:54 PM

Posted By: RayAny shows in your area this weekend? You might want to contact the organizers of them as well. Someone may have taken them there for a quick sale. It wouldn't hurt contacting ur insurance company, especially since u have scans of all the cards. I don't know if they'll cover any of it, but its always worth a shot. My condolences, I hope this story has a happy ending.

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02-20-2005, 02:54 PM

Posted By: barrysloateThat's an awful story. Make a list of the cards that are easily distinguishable and make it available on both boards. The more people looking out for them, the more likely someone will spot them if they show up on ebay or anywhere else.

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02-20-2005, 03:03 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthBen, I am so sorry to hear that. Call the police ASAP. Don't touch anything. Is that all they took? Sounds like an inside job to me. Who knows you keep the cards there? Keep us updated. Greg

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02-20-2005, 03:21 PM

Posted By: eric p.ben, i hope the scum who took your cards is caught and that you get all of your cards back, hopefully they get the book thrown at them as well, for all of you who keep your cards at home at least buy a gunsafe to safe guard them, it does sound like an inside job, i would love to take a baseball bat to the thief, eric.

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02-20-2005, 03:29 PM

Posted By: Behrod HosseinzadehThis is the time to get your photographic memory in check. Ask yourself all the questions that need to be anserwed. How long have your cards been in that same spot? Who knows about the location of your cards? Who recently saw your cards other than yourself? Did you show your cards to any new acquaintances? Did any of your friends tell anyone about your collection recently? Do you live in an apartment complex? If so, any new neighbors? (a large percentage of burglaries are committed by neighbors) Any sign of forced entry? Where does it look like the perp entered the house? Ask yourself question after question after question..... Document Everything, write down everything. This is definitely done by someone that know's you....(hopefully its a practical joke) Keep us updated. Behrad

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02-20-2005, 03:31 PM

Posted By: BrianBest of luck, sending positive thoughts your way. Brian

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02-20-2005, 03:35 PM

Posted By: BenNothing AT ALL in my apartment is out of place other than the cards. My $2000+ Gibson les paul guitar is here, my amp, my stereo, my computer -all here. Only a few of my friends know about the cards, and nobody knows where I had them hidden. I have called the police, and an officer is on the way supposedly. The only people that would have any chance of knowing about my collection are the people I communicate here on the board with. I know I mentioned several times in emails over the past week that I was out of town. Also, the customs inspectors, who frequently inspect packages going to my address which contain valuable cards. Those are the only two possibilities I can think of. My landlord is the only person who can access my apartment, but I have no reason to believe that he would, he is a stand up guy. Besides, I suspect that the robber got in through my kitchen window. I am truly in a state of shock.

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02-20-2005, 03:41 PM

Posted By: barrysloateIt sounds like someone knew where those cards were. If your stereo, TV and other things are still there, why would someone take the little precious time they had to get in and out to rifle through your drawers unless they knew what they were looking for. Ask the police about that. What a dreadful thing to happen. Even I feel sick about it. Good luck.

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02-20-2005, 03:41 PM

Posted By: PaulBen, I join everyone else in saying how sorry I am. You do have many distinctive cards that most of us are familiar with. I'll certainly keep an eye out for them on ebay, as I'm sure you and others will too. It also sounds like you may have a good short list of suspects to give to the police, even though it may be painful to think of those people as suspects. I know it's no consolation, but I hope the two cards I sent you recently had not arrived yet. Paul

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02-20-2005, 03:46 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisUgh, this makes me want to puke. Best of Luck to you, Ben, hopefully the crooks get caught and all is returned. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-20-2005, 03:48 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisBen: Is there any way that someone on the web could have learned of your address? I guess the internet probably allows just about anyone to find out where someone else lives if they know that person's full name and city of residence... which is why I keep 100% of my collection in a safe deposit box at the bank. I still can't believe they could find your cards... unless it was an inside job.

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02-20-2005, 03:55 PM

Posted By: robBen, that really blows...sorry to hear the news, consider everyone a suspect, as stupid as that sounds. You never know who is in dire straits financially and knows of your collection. Furthermore, think of any of your friends/acquaintences that may need money quickly, i.e. gambling issues perhaps. All this may sound stupid and farfetched, but sometimes suggestions from friends (board members) can trigger a potential reason for theft. In situations like this, its not the time to say "he is a good guy and wouldnt do that", i.e. a landlord type, because you never know what people have going on in their lives. good luck... rob

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02-20-2005, 03:58 PM

Posted By: Richard DwyerWhen I was younger, my cards were stolen. I got lucky when the local newspaper put a story in their paper. The Mother of the the guy who broke in saw the story, and was suspicious of her son when he showed up with thousands of new cards. He only got 6 months in jail. I agree, a baseball bat is better justice. Good luck. Call your newspaper. I only recovered 10% of what I had. <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-20-2005, 03:58 PM

Posted By: Ben N162 Cap Anson N162 Dan Brouthers N162 Ed Andrews N162 "Sure Shot" Dunlap N162 Mike "King" Kelly N172 Count Tony Mullane N172 Silver Flint (portrait) N172 Jim Mutrie N172 Watch Burnham N172 McClellan N172 Buck West N172 George Wood N173 Old Judge Cabinets - Smith N175 Gypsy Queen - Casey N184 Kimball Champs - Burch N321 S.F. Hess California league - Ryan N28 Caruthers N28 Mulvey N300 Mayo Cut Plug - John Ward E90-1 Ed Walsh E92 Nadja - Hartzell E95 Eddie Collins E96 Mordecai Brown E99 Bishop & Co - Hogan E100 Bishop & Co - Tozer E103 Bender E104-1 Baker E104-1 Collins E104-1 Mack E105 Mello Mint - Knight E106 Christy Mathewson E107 Gleason E107 Parent E107 Moore E107 Jones E126 Am. Caramel - Schalk E286 Ju Ju Drums - Cheek Colgan's "Tin Tops" - Chief Meyers E224 "Texas Tommy" Connie Mack "Orange Borders" - Tigers Team Voskamps Coffee - Miller Tango Eggs Dooin D311 Pacific Coast Buscuit - Smith C46 Imperial Tobacco - Hardy W514 Gandil W504 Universal Toy - Babe Ruth V100 Willards Chocolate Babe Ruth T332 Helmar Stamps - Stovall 1932 U.S. Caramel - Jimmy Foxx 1935-36 Sawyer Biscuit cabinet - Bill Lee T3 Turkey Red - Harry McIntyre T204 Ramly - Frank Chance T204 Ramly - Jonny Evers T204 T.T.T. Cigarettes - Jones back T207 Napoleon back T207 Red Cycle back T209 b&w Hannifen T209 colour - Cowell T210 Zimmerman T212 Obak - Daley T213-2 Coupon - Marquard T216 Kotton - Doolan T222 Fatima - Schang T227 Frank Baker T205 Joss T205 Mathewson T206 Cobb (green portrait) T206 Cobb (bat off) American Beauty back T206 Lattimore Carolina Brights back 1914 Cracker Jack Tinker 1915 Cracker Jack Comiskey 1915 Cracker Jack Evers 1915 Cracker Jack Griffith 1915 Cracker Jack Speaker D303 General Baking - Tris Speaker D304 "Butter Krust" Barry D304 "Butter Krust" Bell D304 "Butter Krust" Herzog D304 "General Baking" O'Toole D304 "Butter Krust" Shafer D304 "Butter Krust" Young D322 Tip Top Gibson D322 Leach D322 Locke D322 Simon D322 Wilson

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02-20-2005, 03:59 PM

Posted By: Peter ThomasI will, like others, look for cards on Ebay and other sources. Will let you know if I see anything. Report to police and make scans available to them. When I can access your site I will make a record of items to look for.

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02-20-2005, 04:01 PM

Posted By: robert aBen. What can I say except that this shouldn't happen to anyone...especially a trustworthy and genuine collector like yourself. I think that many collectors on this board are aware of many of the cards in your collection and I will do my best to make sure that you are notified if I happen to see any of them popping up on ebay and other places. Sorry this has happened to you Ben. robert

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02-20-2005, 04:01 PM

Posted By: DaveBen, What a bad deal. Everyone who has ever shipped you a card knows your address, you may want to provide a list of that to the police.

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02-20-2005, 04:19 PM

Posted By: Dan KotelesBen -I too am very sad to hear this. Dont exclude any of your friends and it is even possible the lanlord could have done it. I gasped as I read this story ! Absolutely someone knew of this...man, wish I could add comfort. The best thing we all can is make a copy of the list, keep it on hand as we ebay along and keep your website photos. I just cannot imagine this and again very sorry Ben.

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02-20-2005, 04:23 PM

Posted By: Chris BSo sorry to hear about that Ben - I cant imagine how sh**ty you must feel right now. Hang in there; everyone in our community will be sending you good thoughts and keeping a vigilant eye out for your cards. Chris

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02-20-2005, 04:29 PM

Posted By: Kenny ColeThat sucks. Hope things work out.

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02-20-2005, 04:30 PM

Posted By: barry arnoldI am distressed to hear of this tragedy. And we who love this hobby feel the depths of such a tragedy. barry arnold

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02-20-2005, 04:30 PM

Posted By: BenThanks to each and every one of you for your condolences. I am still sort of in a state of shock, not really knowing what to do with myself while I wait for the police to show up. I keep telling myself, at least none of my family was hurt. This isn't the worst thing that could have happened....but it's damn close too it. I forgot about the two cards I kept from my childhood that were also stolen: 1979 OPC Gretzky rookie (pulled that one from a pack as a kid <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14> ) 1986 Fleer Jordan rookie Thanks again to everyone who has posted here or emailed me in the past few hours. Whether or not the cards are found, I will find a way to get through this.

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02-20-2005, 04:34 PM

Posted By: Josh K.I am truly sorry to hear about this.

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02-20-2005, 04:56 PM

Posted By: Jimmy LeidermanVery sorry to hear about it Ben. Will do my best to help track your cards on eBay and any other website. Keep the faith!

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02-20-2005, 04:57 PM

Posted By: Geoff LitwackBen, I'm really sorry to hear about this - I know what it feels like. When I was in college, I had a 1941 Play Ball Ted Williams stolen from my bedroom at home. It was my best card at the time and really broke my heart...it turned out to be a painter who was in the house painting a room in the attic. They caught him, but he had sold the card for drug money and I never saw it again. I got the chance to confront him and as angry as I thought I'd be, he was such a mess that it just made me more sad. Anyway, I hope you have better luck than I did! All Best, Geoff

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02-20-2005, 04:57 PM

Posted By: Mark RiosSorry is not really enough. Definitely an inside job. Sit back and think about potential thieves... it just may come to you if you keep an eye out - ironically enough. Mark

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02-20-2005, 05:04 PM

Posted By: J LevineBen, I (and OBC) are very sorry that this has happened. I will personally keep a lookout for your cards...did you scan them all? Please let me know if there is anything I can do. -Joshua PS This is why I didn't respond to the thread about how we keep our cards or display our cards. I was paranoid before, now I am insanely paranoid.

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02-20-2005, 05:07 PM

Posted By: eric p.ben, it would be very hard or near impossible for someone to be able to unload cards like yours without getting caught, even if they were to sit on them for a while, i have a good feeling some will be going to jail, we will be on the look out for as long as it takes, take care, our prayers are with you, eric.

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02-20-2005, 05:10 PM

Posted By: DGTI would suggest making a post on the PSA set registry boards and the LTS board (e-mail me and I'll post a link over there)...also, there is a fairly major hockey dealer in Montreal named Gerry Chartrand (good guy as far as my dealing have been), his son does baseball stuff as well, I would contact them and ask they keep an eye out and ask if there are other local dealers a thief might turn to. here is their web-site: www.gerryssportscards.com

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02-20-2005, 05:10 PM

Posted By: Bill CornellBen - That's just awful. Todd S. had the same thing happen to him recently and posted about it here. If it's any solace, remember that even if the cards are sold and re-sold, they will probably come to light before long. Both of you are the rightful owners and will be entitled to get them back. Bill

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02-20-2005, 05:15 PM

Posted By: DanBen, I have some T206 cards, you are welcome to your choice of any one of mine. Please email me and touch base if you are interested. I have never had all of my stuff stolen in the manor that you just described, however, I have had all of my stuff stolen by my ex-wife (the whole collection). I had to start over, this is my way of trying to help you a little. I wish that I could do more than that. Best regards, I am sorry for your loss, Dan.

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02-20-2005, 05:46 PM

Posted By: steve kBen - Very sorry for your loss. I will completely agree with some posters here that someone definitely knew the cards were there and very probably also knew you were out of the apartment. You mentioned that "at least none of my family was hurt" and you are of course right about that. But if you have children, especially teenagers, one of their friends/acquaintances could have easily had something to do with this. Kids normally have big mouths and one of your kids could have mentioned your valuable collection to someone. I have known people in which this exact scenario happened whereby the persons son's friend, knowing the collection was there and knowing that the family would be out of the apartment - broke in and stole it. Very best of luck in hopefully getting your cards back.

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02-20-2005, 05:59 PM

Posted By: Scott MBen, I wish there was something I could do to help. You will have many eyes keeping a lookout for your cards. If nothing else, you have quite a few fellow collectors in your corner including myself. Heres hoping you get to the bottom of things quickly. Scott

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02-20-2005, 06:00 PM

Posted By: Brian KoyamaSorry to hear about your loss. Like some of the above posters, it sounds like an inside job. It seems more logical to steal and turn around electronics (your guitar, tv, etc.) at a pawn shop then to resell vintage cards. Did you make any recent sales of your vintage cards where you met up with someone at a common location? Maybe they followed you home. Too fishy that someone went right to the hiding spot for your cards. Hope they catch the culprit.

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02-20-2005, 06:07 PM

Posted By: Bottom of the NinthHi Ben, I would be beyond sick if my stuff was taken. It is such a violation and hopefully something that will be less a source of pain as time goes on. In the mean time I will be looking out for the material. Thankfully your collection or most of it is pictured on your website. Based on the fact this idiot did not take anything else and nothing was out of place I stand behind my initial sense, which is, that this was an inside job. As everyone has said, do not rule out anyone at all. Everyone is a suspect and nobody should take offense to your giving their name. If they do, F*%! them!!!! If someone has not just taken them for their own personal use then the cards will surface. They can only go to so many outlets with vintage material like yours. Be sure to get in touch with dealers like BMW who do the show circuit in Canada. Once one card shows up it is more than likely it will lead to more and the jerk who took them. Not that it is relevant to me but you had been out of town and this happened? I was unclear on your initial post. It sounded like you were gone and came back 20 mins later to find the open box on the ground. The fact the person left the box is very interesting. Not as if it takes up space if it was stored in a clothing drawer. They left it there as a statement. I am no detective but unless they were in a real hurry the fact they left it says something and it is someone who knows you. Please let me know if there is anything I can do for you. Greg

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02-20-2005, 06:19 PM

Posted By: Hal LewisDid you have any ex-girlfriends to whom you showed off your cards? They probably spread the word after the relationship ended, so I would start with them as suspected "accomplices."

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02-20-2005, 06:21 PM

Posted By: ockdayBen..I echo the sentiments of the other board members here..I feel terrible for you and will keep my eyes open for any sign of your collection. Alan

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02-20-2005, 06:29 PM

Posted By: Jim ClarkeBen, Sorry to here about that. I had a roomate who took a Clemente rookie card from my stash in college. After I called the Police it mysteriously showed up again mixed in with my 1980's stuff. I would bank on an "Inside Job". Hopefully you have some kind of insurance as homeowners do that would get them involved as well? I keep a look out on the list you provided as I'm sure everyone else will... I do what Hal does with the bank box. JC

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02-20-2005, 06:55 PM

Posted By: Julie1) Not only were they stolen by someone who knew where you kept them (THINK, man!), but by someone who knew you would be out of town. I didnt happen to mention it to anyone, either on the board, or in an e-mail, that you were going to Kingston--but if your e-mails are accessible to people (I'm told Yahoo is the MOST accessible), an e-mail you wrote me could be the sourse. 2) you no longer had a T204 Evers--you sold it back to me; I think you had a E-135 Wagner, since you wouldn't sell it back to me. Oh, the beautiful Kelly... I have some ideas which will go in an e-mail. ****!!!

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02-20-2005, 07:00 PM

Posted By: RhysSince we are the subject of stuff getting stolen and what to do, if anyone ever sees a large collection of 3X5 cards come up for sale from the 1970's-1980's (about 5,000 of them) with many personalized "To Ken" or "To Ken Reimann" then please let me know. They were all stolen in the NW Indiana area about 1 1/2 years ago. I keep waiting for at least one to show up somewhere and I am still waiting. Ben, let us know if there is anything you need as far as help. Also if the worst comes to pass and they dont surface in some time, I will gladly donate a few cards from my collection to help you start to rebuild. I am sure that almost everyone on this board would give a few cards (cross your fingers we wont have to) to start you on your way again. There is nothing worse in the hobby than a thief. Rhys

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02-20-2005, 07:03 PM

Posted By: Jay MillerBen-I'm very sorry to hear about your loss. When I was a kid growing up in the Bronx our apartment was broken into and my silver dollar collection taken--nothing else was touched. Kinda sounds like your situation. The feeling of being violated is horrible. I understand how you feel and hope your cards are recovered quickly. Be sure to touch as little as possible--there may be fingerprints on the box, window, or other parts of your place. Good luck and stay positive!

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02-20-2005, 07:46 PM

Posted By: Rob LUnstinkin' believable. Keep the faith Ben, you would have to think that these will surface soon and the culprit eventually found. Sorry to hear about it.

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02-20-2005, 07:51 PM

Posted By: dan mckeeBen, I can honestly say that I know how you feel, violated! After Pop and I were robbed in Anaheim (my favorite city) we were a wreck! Anything I can do to help? If you need someone to talk to, I am home all day tomorrow, 410 833-6144 or Tuesday at work 410 965-6785. I am very sorry! Dan McKee.

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02-20-2005, 08:20 PM

Posted By: Dan Kotelesdo you live in a complex or condo or what. If it is large , I would hope that the cops would search every unit from head to toe. be suspicious of one close to you being distant or all of a sudden exceptionally nice. Im sure the consequences of this would get somone a huge prison term. This seems like it could have been planned awhile. you probably have thought of just about everything, going back to the landlord though....does he have an extra key to your place ?...Id have him checked if so. Good luck, we all are trying to think of anything to be of assistance to you.

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02-20-2005, 08:23 PM

Posted By: davidcyclebackDon't know if it's a good idea for cards, but collectors can use an invisiable ink pen to mark their gloves, photos, cabinet cards, bats or other valuables for future identification if they are stolen. The mark could range from the owner's name to a tiny dot in a corner. The marking would be invisiable under normal conditions, but revealed under blacklight.

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02-20-2005, 08:51 PM

Posted By: Rob McKenzieBen, I hope they find your cards. If not, then donations sound like a great idea. I'm happy to donate a card if it would help. Regards

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02-20-2005, 09:08 PM

Posted By: john/z28jdBen i too am real sorry to hear about this and ill keep an eye out for any of the items.Its good you have scans of most to compare them to if they show up.I couldnt imagine this happening to me,id be a wreck. If anyone has an expensive collection at home they should tape their premises.My dad actually has his house being taped from 2 different locations so even if someone broke in and noticed they were being taped,they would still have to break into a different house on the property and by that time the alarm company wouldve sent someone already. Of course my dad taped because he lives at the end of a dead end road with a long driveway and people pass the private driveway signs constantly,so he wanted to see who comes down to the house.Has nothing to do with the cards but i feel safer. Having a rottweiler(and 3 other dogs) helps too,especially since he thinks my room is his room,and he doesnt like visitors.Hopefully you will get everything back and be able to take one of these precautions so this never happens again.Good luck Ben

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02-20-2005, 09:41 PM

Posted By: davidcyclebackI think donations are in order. Each member who choses (strictly voluntary of course, no peer pressure allowed) can donate an item to Ben. I'm sure Julie has his address, so even if Ben refuses to accept presents that's his tough noogies.

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02-20-2005, 09:47 PM

Posted By: Brian McQueen Ben - Saw this thread just now. My jaw dropped when I saw the title sitting at the top of the index page and I was cringing the entire time I was reading through what had happened to you. You were probably the first friend I made in this community and most of the cards you listed that were stolen were cards I remember you telling me about as you acquired them over the past year and a half or so. I'm so sorry to hear that the collection you worked so hard to put together for so long has been taken from you like this. Like others have suggested, I would make sure the police get a full report of what happened and dust for finger prints as well. I would also contact anyone in your area, card shops, pawn shops or otherwise who might be a potential "candidate" for this guy to resell the cards to. Hope you try to remain positive as there's hope still that you'll get your collection back. Many of your cards are quite distinguishable either by rarity or by condition so hopefully they won't be hard to spot should they turn up online. Ben, again, I'm truly sorry this happened to you and will be first in line to donate cards to you if a collection is taken up. Take care, buddy. Brian

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02-20-2005, 09:47 PM

Posted By: robert aI agree with David. I would be happy to donate to Ben's rebuilding when he's ready. robert a

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02-20-2005, 09:52 PM

Posted By: Julieespecially since very recently, some people found there way there who had no business there. HEY--actually, you should send anything for Ben to me. Otherwise, your cards will get coviscated, or Ben will have to pay the huge tarriff on them. This applies to everyone but Canadians; I guess they'd better wait for Bens permission., It might take 3 days; he has a (very welcome!) guest IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, ASK BEN!

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02-20-2005, 09:59 PM

Posted By: dan mckeeI am game for a donation as well, please contact me, Dan.

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02-20-2005, 10:25 PM

Posted By: davidcyclebackJulie, it would probably be wise for you to delete your address. When things are in order, folks can email you for Ben's address or what other arrangements are made.

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02-20-2005, 10:37 PM

Posted By: JulieI have ben Ben's "designated sender" for about half a year.

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02-20-2005, 10:56 PM

Posted By: Trae R.Holy cow - I am shocked Ben... but not near as much as you. I can't imagine how you feel right now. Very very sorry to hear of this news.Good luck on this one, man - keep us updated! <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-21-2005, 12:08 AM

Posted By: jay behrensMajor bummer. I've been there. I had most of the what remained of my collection in 1991 stolen. It included a lot fo very unique and distincitve cards. I got a good portion of them back, but still never back such cards as a NM n162 Ason, NM/Mint Colgan Cobb, e105 Lajoie and Young and about 20 other cards I have forgotten about. The Cobb Colgan is very distictive in the it has a print line on the front that does not affect the face but is still the finest condition Colgan, less that line, I've ever seen. With the internet, if should be much easier to to get you cards back. Having scans of your cards is a good thing. Lee used to think I was crazy for taking photos of my valuable cards, but when this theft happen, I was able to prove what cards were mine. The thief in my case was my girlfriend's best friend's boyfriend. Apparently he knew that I was going setting up at a show that weekend and also knew that I was taking my GF to dinner Friday night, which is when he broke in. He only took my cards. He left the computers, video games, power tools, etc. We caught him when showed up a card store I told about the robbery trying to sell the Ryan rookie I had signed by both Ryan and Koosman among other cards. Just make sure to spread the word to local card shops and pawn shops ASAP. Jay I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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02-21-2005, 12:30 AM

Posted By: Brian KoyamaHopefully they can get some finger prints from the box you stored the cards in. I know in California, pawn shops are required to get a thumb print, along with other identification, when people bring things in to pawn. Violated is a good term to use. That's what my parents felt like after my dad had his antique Japanese sword collection stolen.

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02-21-2005, 01:02 AM

Posted By: Joe P.No question, inside job. Alerting all possible connections is a must. Your list and your card scan site is a very helpful plus to everyone in this community. It will be easy to compare with anything that pops up anywhere. To err is human, to make a mistake on the other hand, can be costly. If the person that err'd is reading this, and if you find the odds becoming unfavorable. I'm sure that Ben, with no questions asked, will accept the cards that were left by someone else, gracefully and appreciatively. No one else needs to know. There are various ways to achieve this. Time is of the essence. Ben, the thoughts and best wishes of the community is with you. Joe P.

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02-21-2005, 02:01 AM

Posted By: MWBen, I am sorry to hear of your loss. I don't know what the thief was thinking but many of the cards on your list are readily identifiable and will eventually turn up...leaving a trial that can be traced back to the perpetrator. If the person who stole your collection is reading this (and he just might be), surely he must know that eventually he will be caught and prosecuted.

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02-21-2005, 03:48 AM

Posted By: JulieIf even a small bunch of you start sending cards directlky to Ben, and filling out customs' forms accurately, Ben will be $1000 in the hole before you can say Jack Robinson. If even a small bunch of you start sending cards directly to Ben without knowing how to declare the cards fairtly accurately without declaring their value, your cards will either be comviscated by customs or sent back to you. Ask Quan! Or, PLEASE--ask Ben.

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02-21-2005, 04:03 AM

Posted By: Mike McGrailBen, When I first saw the post with your name beside it, I thought it was a joke or something. Disgusting, terrible and sickening all rolled into one. I really feel for ya friend. Try to stay calm and determine your course of action. Some good tips from board members above. Try to incorporate as many possible different methods into your action plan. The more folks who can help, the better. And until proven otherwise, anyone who knew about your cards, your address, your plans, etc. is a SUSPECT. Rule no one out. You gotta do your best to stay calm in this situation. A clear head and thought process is your best ally at the moment. Drop me an email if there is anyway I can help. Mike

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02-21-2005, 04:48 AM

Posted By: warshawlawHorrible, Ben, I am so sorry. Do not expect dealers and shop owners to help you. When it happened to me I rode around flyering every store I could think of and the bastards still bought the stolen cards and tried to resell them. I found cards in a number of shops and had to buy them back (at wholesale) to avoid putting the matter through the system. Reflecting back on it now, I wish I'd put every damned dealer involved into jail for fencing stolen goods, because they all knew the cards were stolen. My advice is to print up that list you posted and get it into the hands of as many dealers, pawn shops, antique dealers and thrift stores as possible, and do not be bashful about it; put right in the flyer that you will be checking their inventories and if you find the cards there you will prosecute. BTW, it sounds like an inside job. I would look at tradesmen and servants (esp, maids, supers and handymen). When I last lived in an apartment I know for a fact that the super used to come into apartments working on a problem and while there would snoop through personal stuff.

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02-21-2005, 04:51 AM

Posted By: JohnBen, It really sickens me to hear your story. I bought the E254 Wagner from you this past year and you were great to deal with. You are also always a positve force on this board. Outside of the financial investment, my cards have so much meaning to me. Many are gifts from my wife, parents, and in some cases my grandparents who are no longer with me. I can identify 95% of my collection that way (by who gave them to me). To lose them would be devastating on so many levels. That is why I decided a few years back to rent a a couple safety deposit boxes. It is hard because the quick access to your cards is not there....but I know they are safer there than in my house. I have the list that you posted and will watch auctions/dealer pages. It is good that you had them all documented on the web page, that will be helpful for us and the police. Try to remain positive, from the response to this thread it looks as if a lot of people are looking out for you. Take care, John

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02-21-2005, 05:12 AM

Posted By: Gilbert MainesBen, I am so sorry. A collection is not replacable. I am sure that each one you get back will be a treasure. Good luck. Gil

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02-21-2005, 06:41 AM

Posted By: BenFirst off, I want to thank everyone who has posted here or emailed me privately. The support you all have given me is truly overwhelming, and very touching. Whether or not my collection is recovered, I will always remain thankful for what I do have...and all of you are a big part of that. I filed a police report last night. The policeman dropped by my tiny apartment for approx. 10 minutes, and took down all the details of the case. I was away for about a week, btw. He took the containers where I kept my cards to scan for fingerprings - don't know how much help that will be, but there's some hope there I suppose. And about the donations idea - I am touched, but really, it's not necessary. If the cards are not recovered, I think that will be the fatal blow to my collecting aspirations. I just don't see how I could start over again after the time and money I've invested in it already. Of course, I will still frequent this board, as I've made lasting friendships here that extend beyond the collecting world. Now, I have printed out lists of all my cards, along with several distinguishing pictures, and will begin passing them out to pawn/card shops all day today. I have recieved a number of very helpful emails from people who visit this board. Special thanks to Mark Macrae and Brian Wentz whose emails have given me some hope that the cards might be recovered. Once again, thank you all for your support during these hard times.

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02-21-2005, 06:52 AM

Posted By: Sean CoeThis happened to me a few years ago. The thief took several valuable cards and my then fiances engagement ring. I had some plumbing work done and some of the workers had cased my place. If you had anyone in repairing something I'd start there. Also-be clear to the police how valuable your collection is. The ones investigating my case seem to have had little interest until they knew the value of some of the items stolen. Good luck.

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02-21-2005, 07:06 AM

Posted By: Paul GriggsBen, I'm also very sorry & disturbed about what happened. Just as disturbing to me is your "fatal blow" comment. I'm pretty sure you love this stuff as much as I do, & I couldn't imagine not collecting anymore. I'm fairly new to this board, but I'd donate too. I'll bookmark your website, and keep an eye out for your stuff.

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02-21-2005, 08:35 AM

Posted By: warshawlawThis story should be a cautionary tale for everyone here--it can happen and if you have no insurance, you are both out your cards and SOL financially. While I would hurt like hell if my collection was stolen, I would also recoup the financial end of the loss from insurance and would have the resources to start again. It is s ahame to see a hobbyist we all appreciate think of dropping out because the loss is too much to bear. There are some insurers in the links--the rates I've received have been very reasonable (under $1 a day)--I'd urge you to check it out. I'm just glad all the good stuff is in the safe deposit box.

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02-21-2005, 08:48 AM

Posted By: Mark TylickiBen, I just read your post. I'm so sorry this has happened. After our telephone conversation the other day I know how much these cards meant to you. Feel free to give me a call if you need a friend. Mark (303) 359-7191 cell

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02-21-2005, 08:52 AM

Posted By: jay behrensI wouldn't worry too much about Ben's "fatal blow" comment. He's in a tough place right now. Even if he never gets his cards back and does quit the hobby, he'll be back. The addiction is worse than heroin. I though I had left the hobby behind for good, never to return, but 10 years later, here I was, right back in the thick of things. Taking some time off from the hobby would be understandbale, but it will really difficult to just walk away from it forever, especially as young as he is. I was 29 when I got out and was back in at 39. Jay I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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02-21-2005, 08:54 AM

Posted By: Eric EichelkrautHello Ben, I just learned of this post about ten minutes ago, and I'm shocked and very troubled to hear about this tragic event. I'm sure it's been mentioned here already, but please make sure that you hound the police to investigate every aspect of the crime thoroughly and immediately. Even hire a private detective if needs be. A collection of this magnitute doesn't just dissappear without trace..and hopefully only one small clue will be needed to track it down. I'll email you shortly after this, but please let me know if I can assist in any way. Truly, Eric Eichelkraut

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02-21-2005, 09:07 AM

Posted By: Thomas BotticelliHi Ben, I am very sorry to hear about your loss. I didn't get a chance to get back in touch with you about our trade because of work and school, but I am very sorry for your loss. I stopped collecting for a while last year becasue of school and time constraints, and I felt lossed. I can't imagine not collecting Vintage Baseball Cards, and I know you feel the same. By the way, the generosity of this board is amazing. I would gladly throw in a T206 Chase Lenox to help you get back on your feet. Please let me know, this hobby needs people like you who truly appreciate collecting. All my best, Tom Botticelli

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02-21-2005, 10:13 AM

Posted By: tbobBen, I just now saw your post on the Forum 54 board here. It does little good to express my sympathies with your situation but I am very sorry for your loss. having experienced the loss of 20 E98 cards a few months ago (even though insured), I know there is no way to replace the loss. Still, if you do make it to Chicago for the National, I'd like to make a present to you of a card you like because of the kindness you have always shown to me as a collector, even though we've never even met. As a side note to what Adam wrote, I am today contacting my insurance agent for a binder for collectibles and renting a safe deposit box for the more valuable stuff. Somehow even my safe doesn't seem so secure anymore. What a world we live in. Also, don't give up on the possibility that fingerprints can be found on the box. Most thieves and burglars do not use gloves and in a case I had a couple of years ago, an expert witness testified in court that pursuant to FBI training he had been able to secure prints off an envelope that was 75 years old. Good luck buddy and hope to see you in Chicago. Bob

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02-21-2005, 10:44 AM

Posted By: Bruce BabcockBen, I was so sorry to hear about your loss. Hopefully, with the combined resources of your fellow collectors now on the lookout, plus law enforcment, you will recover your collection. If it hasn't already been mentioned, you should notify SCD. They would certainly run a blurb on your behalf. The more folks that know about this, the better your chances.

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02-21-2005, 10:58 AM

Posted By: Darren J. DuetBen, I urge you to remain dispassionate when attempting to come up with who might of stolen your cards. Thinking clearly is of upmost importance if you are to find the perpetrator--it sounds like the theif was close to you.

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02-21-2005, 11:37 AM

Posted By: Gary B.Ben, for what it's worth, please let me add in my condolences for what happened. Since I'm on sabbatical from collecting, I very infrequently check in on Net54, so it's ironic that i should check in today and find such sad and crushing information. I'll keep checking in for the next period of time to see if there are any new developments. I am hopeful that your collection will be recovered, since you a) have a lot of high profile cards and b) the people on this board would be highly likely to see them if they come across any of the usual channels, and if the thief is even remotely interested in getting any value from them, they'd be hard pressed not to try and sell them through the usual channels. I'm praying for a positive outcome. Sincerely, Gary

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02-21-2005, 12:13 PM

Posted By: Gilbert MainesIf it hasn't been mentioned already, you may want to notify the slabbing companies about the combination of cards you lost, so they may be able to detect a matching group. A holder may be thought of as a partial disguise for your cards, by the thief.

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02-21-2005, 12:21 PM

Posted By: GlennBen, Just terrible news. I'm very sorry. I'll be happy to donate my T206 Chance portrait whenever you come back to the hobby. In addition to all the other helpful comments posted here, I would add the mail carrier and other parcel delivery folks to the list of suspects. And while it is probably only the slightest consolation, it is worth pointing out that the particulars of the robbery suggest that the thief is someone who has at least a reasonably good knowledge of the hobby, so that the cards will be protected and when they do start turning up they are likely to be in much the same condition as when you last saw them. I wish you all the luck in the world hunting down the thief and your collection. Glenn

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02-21-2005, 12:30 PM

Posted By: qualitycardsBEN - Thats such horrible news. A collection is the advent of passion & pride and cannot be replaced as easy as a TV or stereo. I hope you recover everything and the bastards responsible do jail time...jay

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02-21-2005, 01:19 PM

Posted By: Adam J. BaxterBen- Very sorry to hear of the theft your collection. I have to agree with several previous posters that the person or persons responsible is either close to you or associated with someone you know. I know that the last thing you want to do is suspect a friend, family member etc. But greed unfortunately knows no boundries. Someone had to know you had those in that drawer or had a pretty good idea about the general area you were keeping them in. I sincerely hope that you are able to recover your collection or at the very least some of it. Hang in there and don't let your collecting spirit be broken. We're all here to help in any way we can. Best, Adam

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02-21-2005, 01:54 PM

Posted By: MarkBen, so sorry to hear about your loss. I'll be checking ebay so see if any of your cards show up, along with most everyone else I'm sure. I hope you don't quit the hobby - you've given me expert advice on hockey and bb cards!

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02-21-2005, 01:57 PM

Posted By: Gary B.Ben, I was telling my wife about what happened, and all I got out was something like, "this person I know from the baseball card site has a small apartment in Montreal in Canada. he had a box in a drawer covered by clothes that had his baseball cards in it. someone broke into his apartment, took the cards and didn't take anything else including..." She immediately said, "it had to have been an inside job - someone that knows him". This was with only some of the information - I'm sure you're following up on this angle as it seems apparent to many of us that this is very highly likely the case...

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02-21-2005, 02:19 PM

Posted By: Scott ForrestWho have you done business with recently, who knew you would be gone, and who wouldn't have to fly to get to your apartment?

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02-21-2005, 02:33 PM

Posted By: Brian Weisner Hi Ben, Are there any windows in the room where your cards were stored? Have you had any workers in lately? Cable? Phone? If it wasn't someone who knows you very well and had access to your Apt, than it had to be someone who has a view. The cards will show up someday, when the thief sells them to some un suspecting dealer. I hope that happens sooner than later. Very sorry, Brian

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02-21-2005, 03:37 PM

Posted By: dan mckeeHow did they get in the apartment? Was it forced entry? Is anything else missing? I would think a better chance for fingerprints would be on the door knob or window, whichever they broke to get in. If it was forced entry, you should call the police immediately. Dan.

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02-21-2005, 06:26 PM

Posted By: BenThank you Mike for your helpful thread, and for everyone's kindness. All the emails, advice, and offers to help were really amazing. After posting here last night, you can all imagine that I was very shaken and distraught. First thing I did was naturally to call my parents, who were extremely supportive as they always are. My mom kept telling me that it wasn't the worst thing that could happen, and while I reacted to that statement initially with anger, I realized it was true after cooling down after a while. Actually, the support of my parents proved that this was true - my dad insisted that he take the 3 hour drive to montreal on a snowy highway so that I wouldnt have to deal with this catastrophe alone. He knows how much of me is invested in my collection, or at least he knows now. My family is way more important than cards, and this situation only brought that reality into better focus. I then called the police, who told me an officer would show up soon, but not HOW soon. So I waited a hellish 2 hours here in my apartment reading the board and watching people respond to my post before the officer showed up. Name was Luc Marticotte, who is basically your francophone version of Ray Romano. I'm no forensic expert, and I'm pretty sure Luc wasn't either, but it didnt take much to realize that this was a very clean entrance and departure, with no signs of forceable entry. The only things out of place were the two boxes I held the cards in. The one that I keep in my dresser was in my bedroom and the tupperwear container where I hold all my childhood stuff was without it's top, on my couch. The only way anyone got into the apartment was by picking the front lock, which is doable, or by entering through the kitchen window, which is my suspicion. I forgot to lock the damn window. Ray Romano looked around, wrote the basics on his theft report, and left after 10 minutes with the two boxes that my cards were in. He's gonna look for fingerprints, but I'm dubious. I have a feeling that these lackeys aren't gonna do jack for me. In terms of helpful and agressive intervention by the police in matters of theft, I think that the Montreal police force is is far less rigorous than what most of you are used to. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyways, my dad showed up about 45 minutes later, and since I hadnt eaten all day, we went to my pet restraunt closeby, Alto's. Not much to look at, but they're cheap, great service, and they work hard for a living. And they make a great cheeseburger and poutine. After dinner I wanted to keep my mind off the cards, so we went and rented "Raising Arizona" on dvd. I was drained, and couldnt focus on the movie so we both just went to bed, my dad refusing bed to my junk ass couch. It was white when I got it, now it's a creamy brown. When we woke up in the morning, I posted here, and then wrote out a notice in english and french to hand around to all the pawn shops. I included a complete list and a page of colour scans of some of my heartbreakers. n162 kelly top left. So I spent today handing these out around town, and also to my apeish, white ponytailed, "philo-semetic" (dad's words) landloard Orel. He's a christian who loves jews, which means special treatment pour moi, but that's another story. Orel wasn't much help, but he talked his head off to us like he usually does. Sent out an urgent email to Gerry Chartrand, who is one of the only major card dealers in this area...mostly hockey though. This nhl lockout must be screwing him large, btw. He hasn't gotten back to me yet. I suppose I will continue passing out these notices around town, antique shops, junk shops, coin shops, whatever. I was amazed at the influx of emails I got from everyone last night and today. I havent been able to write back as I've been too sad/busy to write out that many emails but I will be in touch with all of you of course. This is truly an amazing group of collectors, thank you so much. I know people have said it alot in the past, "it's only cardboard", but I guess I'll have to discover if that's for real. Thanks for reading.

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02-22-2005, 08:30 AM

Posted By: Jeff LichtmanBen, what a sickening bit of news. Some free advice: the cops will be of marginal help as will the local dealers. Adam is right, they'll buy and sell your stuff just to make a buck and then say "How could I have known it was stolen?" You need to go to each of them (internet dealers as well) and offer a reward for every card they locate. Make sure the reward you give them is close to the amount of money you think they can make on a flip. Post on every single internet site that deals in vintage cards. Scour ebay on a daily basis. I can tell you this for certain: some of your cards (my guess is a decent percentage) will turn up.

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02-22-2005, 08:41 AM

Posted By: Juliewhat if you don't have any dough? I look for the five cards I'm looking for 3-4 times a day, and Mark Macrae said you have to look under all possible names, not just the nummerical listing. Although I agree with many that this was definitely an inside job, I did a Google search for Ben Fisher, to see if I could get his address. No, but I did get his e-mail address. from that group he belongs to where people give eachother cards (OBP?). His want list is listed inder "Ben Fisher's Want List." Can you get someone's address from their e-mail address?

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02-22-2005, 10:13 AM

Posted By: Gary B.you might also want to try expanding beyond the Montreal area in terms of contacting card shops, pawn shops, etc. Obviously driving to all of them would be difficult if not impossible, but maybe even just a phone call could make the difference. I say this because it was a valuable enough collection that if the thief was smart, they might realize it would be pretty stupid to try and sell the cards too close by, figuring you'd put the word out - just a suggestion... Peace, Gary

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02-22-2005, 11:06 AM

Posted By: ErikV Ben and all, First of all as a fellow vintage card collector, I grieve with you in the loss of your collection. As most of us will agree, our collections are more and mean more than just a bunch of cardboard. It's both many years of work and a labor of love. To have your hard earned money and work taken away like that pains us all. In a recent post the statement was made "the cops will be of marginal help." The loss of your collection and this statement reminded me of a true story, of which I was a part of. You may find some hope while reading it. About 15 years ago I went to my local card shop and saw some very attractive 1953 TOPPS cards for sale. I quickly scooped up the Satchel Paige, Bob Feller and Monte Irvin paying around $300.00 for these cards. Within a week I received a phone call from the Sheriff's Department inquiring about these cards. I was told that they were taken in a residential burglary and I was unknowingly in possession of stolen property (a felony here in the state of California.) I was told to bring them into the police station, to which I did. Later, I went back to the shop where I had bought the cards and spoke with the owner. Apparently the kid who sold the cards to the shop had broken into his neighbors house after learning about the dad's card collection. In the end, the cards were returned to their rightful owner and the kid was prosecuted. Wishing you well and for the same happy ending. Keep the faith Ben! Erik V.

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02-22-2005, 12:10 PM

Posted By: DMcDBen, The theft of your cards hits home; we are all diminished by your misfortune. I am 6000 miles to your west but I feel like the same bastard is hanging around my neighbourhood. My wife, the naive soul, rolls her eyeballs when I tell her we should take down the artwork and hide the valuables when tradesmen and such strangers are in the house. I haven't told her about the Claymore mine rigged to the safe. Can't be too careful with the old cardboard, those wonderful icons of our youth. The board has nominated everyone except the butler as your perp. Any of the nominees have a drug problem? Drugs and B&E's go hand in hand. My hunch is that the police won't catch the guy. The suggestion of a private investigator was a good one; just make sure he comes well referenced. Ask your lawyer. I employed a PI once via the Yellow Pages. He milked me for a lot of cash for not a lot of results. Stay strong, brah! DMcD Honolulu

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02-22-2005, 04:25 PM

Posted By: Patrick McMenemyHi Ben: I'm sorry to here about the theft of your collection. I'll keep my eye out for your cards on EBAY, and at any shows that I might attend in Massachusetts. In addition, when I lived in Maine, the only vintage dealer was "Don's Baseball Cards" in Portland, Maine. If you need contact info for his store, let me know. Patrick

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02-22-2005, 06:05 PM

Posted By: dennisi am so sorry for your loss. i hope it ends on a happy note. my thoughts: seems to me that the thief(thieves)my just be kids.i base this on the fact that which was taken is easily hidden. all other valuables are still there. a person with a vehicle would be inclined to take what ever he could,or is of value.(not just the cards)if you see any kids around,ask them questions,they may want to talk.

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02-22-2005, 06:15 PM

Posted By: the(next)level Topic Subject OT: Google Your Phone Number RU4Scuba Sr. Member Total Posts: 3166 I normally don't get worked up about this stuff but I Googled my phone number after I read this email and got my name, my wife's name, and a map to our house. Needless to say, I filled out the remove me form. Google has implemented a new feature wherein you can type someone's telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and then you will be given a map to their house. Everyone should be aware of this! Note that you can have your phone number removed or blocked. Before forwarding this, I tested it by typing my telephone number in www.google.com. My phone number came up, and when I clicked on the MapQuest link, it actually mapped out where I live. Quite scary. Please look up your own number. Read below for details. Think about it--if a child, ANYONE gives out his/her phone number, someone can actually now look it up to find out where he/she lives. The safety issues are obvious, and alarming. In order to test wheth er your phone number is mapped, go to: <a href="http://www.google.com" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com</a> Type your phone number in the search bar (i.e.555-555-1212) and hit enter. If you want to BLOCK Google from divulging your private information, simply click on phonebook results link above your phone number and scroll down. I removed my name, but it takes 48-hours. If you are unlisted in the phone book, you might not be in there, but it is a good idea just to check. If your number does come up if you hit map, it will show you a direct map to your house... Might want to pass this on to friends and family

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02-22-2005, 08:01 PM

Posted By: Josh K.edited to delete post - I found it. Thanks for the responses.

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02-22-2005, 08:03 PM

Posted By: JulieThere's a whole page of a thread from the board, and my ad in the classified section of Vintage and Classic Baseball Collector, which I've tried in vain to have taken out. There's also a map to our house. Good grief!

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02-22-2005, 08:05 PM

Posted By: Julie...........

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02-22-2005, 08:06 PM

Posted By: Rob LJosh and Julie, it's write under the address. It looks like this **********Rancho Santa Margari, CA 92688 - Yahoo! Maps - MapQuest -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you would like to have your PhoneBook listing removed, you can do so using our PhoneBook Removal Form.

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02-22-2005, 08:10 PM

Posted By: Josh K.Funny, my didnt have the language about using the phonebook removal form. I had to search for a link in the "about google" link found at the bottom of the page.

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02-22-2005, 08:13 PM

Posted By: Rob LActually, after you type in your phone number, your info shows up. Click on Phonebook Results above your information and that screen that I posted should show up.

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02-22-2005, 08:56 PM

Posted By: tbobThis is why there will always be a need for a place for discussion of more than simply cards per se. The tip which was provided was invaluable. I plugged in my phone number on Google and there was a map to my frigging house! Unbelievable. I hit the remove button and it said in 48 hours it will be gone. As if I were not paranoid enough after my UPS card loss, Ben's theft and now this...

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02-22-2005, 10:08 PM

Posted By: barry arnoldi just removed my phone # from google, thanks to Josh K.. i had to search a bit on the about google portion as Josh suggested. i am paranoid now tbob---the about google page listed other pages folks could get our address via phone number that google has no power over. i think i'll go to ebay and look for some 206's and relax a minute or two. all the best barry

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02-22-2005, 11:02 PM

Posted By: Julieago will get inaccessible..address, map to my house, posts from the board...but--does it work for Canada? I'll try Ben's. HA! It didn't work. I guess you have to be American.

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02-23-2005, 07:04 AM

Posted By: Richard DwyerI have an unlisted phone number. My number doesn't show an address. But so is Paris Hilton's. Didn't stop the hackers from getting into her sidekick. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-23-2005, 03:58 PM

Posted By: BobBen, From what I understand, and I could be missing something, I think it is much more obvious that the thief was someone who knows you or who knows someone who knows you. Certainly there are many people who know about your colection and where you live, or whom could find out easily enough about where you live and I would not discount that entirely. However, if I'm properly reading your posts 1) there was no sign of forced entry, 2) nothing else was taken or disturbed. This person sure seemed to know exactly where your cards were. They did not need to ransack the place to find them. They may also have a key to the apartment. Also remember that when you tell 3-4 friends, they are likely to tell 10-20. There are probably a good many local people who know about your cards. These same people probably know when you are or are not home. Good Luck Bob