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02-09-2005, 08:57 AM
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>I read somewhere (PSA website?) that the upcoming Mastro Collector's Classic aution in February would START on the internet for bidding on 2/14.<br /><br />Normally they put up the web site for a preview for a few days BEFORE the bidding actually starts so that everyone has time to "shop"...<br /><br />so does ANYONE know when the "catalog" will be up and running on the internet for us to review???

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02-09-2005, 10:01 AM
Posted By: <b>ockday</b><p>According to Ron Oser of Mastronet..it goes online Monday 2/14. <br />Of interest to Paul, there will be an OJ McPhee. Good luck!<br />Alan

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02-09-2005, 10:05 AM
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>I need some time to SHOP before it opens!!!<br /><br /><img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-09-2005, 10:27 AM
Posted By: <b>ockday</b><p>THE CATALOG SHOULD ARRIVE PRIOR TO 2/14

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02-09-2005, 10:28 AM
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>But I am out of town!<br /><br />I need the internet catalog!<br /><br />Hopefully they will get it up and running before Monday so that I can get organized and set up my budget!

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02-09-2005, 10:32 AM
Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>Hal,<br /><br />There will be a 1924 Diaz Ruffing Rookie in the auction, which should be right up your alley.

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02-09-2005, 10:53 AM
Posted By: <b>ockday</b><p>some nice SGC graded OJ's..like McPhee SGC 50 and Hoy SGC 60...lots of Cracker Jacks , T205's T206's, some caramels etc.

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02-09-2005, 10:59 AM
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>What the heck is a Diaz?

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02-09-2005, 11:15 AM
Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p>Its the Thomas Guitterez cuban card set issued in 1924<br /><br /><a href="http://www.oldcardboard.com/foreign/cuba/gutierrez/gutierrez.asp?cardsetID=1018" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.oldcardboard.com/foreign/cuba/gutierrez/gutierrez.asp?cardsetID=1018</a>

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02-09-2005, 11:20 AM
Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>I was chewing them out last auction for charging $75 for catalogues to regular auctions--it's certainly their right (if a little tackey). I mistakenly thought you had to have bid in one of the last 7 to BID without paying $75...<br /><br />Oh well, since bidding is all on the internet, I don't mind looking there.

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02-09-2005, 12:01 PM
Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>Diaz is a 1924 Cuban Tobacco Set. The set is from the same company as the Tomas Gutierrez cards that John mentioned, but it is a distinctive set, featuring only major leaguers. The Diaz set is extremely rare, and contains the rookie card of Red Ruffing. The one in the Mastro Auction is from my collection, and it is the only one that I have ever seen. Attached is a lousy scan of the card. I'm sure the scan in the Mastro catalogue will be much clearer.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1107975620.JPG">

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02-09-2005, 12:13 PM
Posted By: <b>Sean Coe</b><p>Its online now.

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02-09-2005, 12:30 PM
Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Here is another scan of a Diaz (Tomas Gutierrez) card, although not a HOF "rookie", it is in a little nicer shape. Extremely tough in any condition, Lipset talks briefly about them in his encyclopedia, not many were known then however. Crazy thing about this set is that the "book value" has remained largely unchanged for nearly 2 decades.<br />-Rhett<br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1107977398.JPG">

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02-09-2005, 12:47 PM
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>And the reason you consigned it to Mastro instead of just offering it directly to me was what again, Andy??

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02-09-2005, 12:51 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>He did it so I could extort you on it. If I don't run you up you can leave one little ole N167 HOF for me in coming auctions? .....I really need Andy's card <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14> all of these cards will probably surpass my puny budget anyway.....later.

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02-09-2005, 01:21 PM
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Come on, Leon.<br /><br />I didn't run you up on the "Two of Diamonds" !!!<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-09-2005, 01:24 PM
Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>Hal,<br /><br />The reason that I consigned it rather than offering it to you is that I really have no idea of the value. These cards are extremely rare, and the price guides are not accurate. Rather than arbitrarily coming up with a number, I thought the most fair thing to do would be to let the market dictate the value.<br />

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02-09-2005, 01:26 PM
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>fair, schmair

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02-09-2005, 01:26 PM
Posted By: <b>leon</b><p>that was funny......I actually LOL.....thanks man<br /><br />ps....it was the response about the 2 playing card that I laughed at....a post got stuck in between.....fair shmair wasn't that funny <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-09-2005, 03:40 PM
Posted By: <b>Bruce Babcock</b><p><img src="http://homepage.mac.com/thurber51/.Pictures/20th%20Tobacco/4DiazCigs.jpg"><br /><br />Here's another one. The only one that I've ever actually seen in person. An uncommon card, but also a low demand set. I won this in a Ron Oser auction. There were only 2 bidders. <br /><br />There are Diaz cards of Johnson, Alexander, Pennock, Rixey, Grimes and Hoyt. Anybody got one?

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02-09-2005, 04:22 PM
Posted By: <b>Ryan Christoff</b><p>Okay, okay:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.network54.com/Realm/tmp/1107991299.JPG"> <br /><br />-Ryan<br /><br />

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02-09-2005, 04:32 PM
Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>Has to be available in the USA to be a rookie card, IMHO. Nice items though.

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02-09-2005, 04:54 PM
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Ryan plays the trump card...<br /><br />and a hush falls over the stunned crowd!<br /><br />Wow. Great card.

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02-09-2005, 05:00 PM
Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p><img src="http://images.mastronet.com/images/Auction28/photographs/34923a.jpg"><br /><br />.<br />.<br />.<br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-09-2005, 05:22 PM
Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p>Who would want a card of that bum?

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02-09-2005, 05:25 PM
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>John:<br /><br />Was that you who bought the really nice version of this N167 Corcoran in the Robert Edwards auction last year...<br /><br />or are you still in the market for the current one in Mastro?

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02-09-2005, 05:35 PM
Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>?

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02-09-2005, 05:38 PM
Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p><i>Anybody besides me think that Corcoran is a fake?</i><br /><br />Mr. Murcerfan would probably disagree, right after he got over the shock of that statement.

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02-09-2005, 05:39 PM
Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p>No the one in Robert Edwards went for 11k and was bought by someone on the board.<br /><br />Id rather have that Corcoran from the set TIK has that you should buy Hal! you know which one <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-09-2005, 05:47 PM
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>John:<br /><br />TIK sent me real-sized color copies of the "cabinet/proofs" from that set...<br /><br />and many of them are so faded that they are not too pleasing. <br /><br />You will need to find someone else to partner up with on that set! <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-09-2005, 05:48 PM
Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>How about the mono and the lot of 13 different year Zeenuts with tabs?

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02-09-2005, 05:50 PM
Posted By: <b>john/z28jd</b><p>Well then yes i will go for this one Hal,seeing as a psa6 of this card went for 11k,as long as a fair one goes for around half that then ill win it and then try to trade it to TIK for the cabinet <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-09-2005, 06:02 PM
Posted By: <b>PASJD</b><p>I hope we are not heading for another "before" and "after" as with the Keeler cabinet in Mastro's last auction. I hope all that is "clearer" is the scan, or if work is done, it is disclosed.

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02-09-2005, 06:35 PM
Posted By: <b>Homerunfaker</b><p>Leon wrote:<br />...."If I don't run you up you can leave one little ole N167 HOF for me in coming auctions?" <br /><br />whose running this joint anyways?<br /><br />

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02-09-2005, 06:41 PM
Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>I don't have that Hoy card...

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02-09-2005, 06:44 PM
Posted By: <b>marty</b><p>I got my catalogue in the mail today.

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02-09-2005, 06:47 PM
Posted By: <b>Jim Clarke</b><p>After reading all these wonderful threads...I must come out of the closet and say I'm the lucky one that overpaid on the N167 Corcoran PSA 6 Old Judge card from REA. I would be interested in partnering up on a few lots.. Have to figure out what I need and want. JC

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02-09-2005, 06:48 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Wow, I've become famous through my incessant whining. Thank you very much for the tip about the McPhee. I wasn't aware of it.<br /><br />Hal, you really don't want that Ruffing. It's from Cuba. For that reason, it probably qualifies as contraband, and the government will confiscate it from you. Besides, I want it.

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02-09-2005, 06:56 PM
Posted By: <b>justcallmedummy</b><p>Your Corcoran may not have been all that overpriced...in a few short years it could look like a bargain...I wish I could have afforded it.<br />.<br />.<br />it must be on your short list of favorite cards?<br />

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02-09-2005, 06:59 PM
Posted By: <b>PASJD</b><p>Does the Mastro catalog mention anything about the outside conservator or, as to any lots, disclose any "cleaning," "stablization," or other work that was done?

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02-09-2005, 07:03 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>This auction is my want list. Aside from the McPhee, there's a poor condition N172 Delahanty, Andy's Red Ruffing, an E94 Young, a Leaf Paige. Geez. I could spend a full year's budget on this one auction, buying only things I've specifically asked for on this board.

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02-09-2005, 07:16 PM
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>Seriously:<br /><br />I will stay away from the Paige and other cards...<br /><br />if you stay away from the Ruffing.<br /><br />(Sorry Andy!)

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02-09-2005, 07:43 PM
Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>1.) Many of the cards that you guys are mentioning are mine, so bid high! No collusion allowed.<br /><br />2.) The scan of the Ruffing is lousy because my scanner sucked. It is now broken. Mastro took a much better scan. The card is in poor condition. I can't imagine that anyone is thinking it was restored. Look at it again.

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02-09-2005, 08:32 PM
Posted By: <b>PASJD</b><p>I have now seen the scan of the Ruffing and am glad to see it is indeed the same card you consigned in the same condition. I certainly did not intend to suggest otherwise, was just expressing hope prior to having seen the Mastro scan (I did not know it was already available online). I also hope the same is true for all the other lots in the auction, or that where any work has been done it is disclosed.

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02-10-2005, 12:22 AM
Posted By: <b>Julie Vognar</b><p>If that Old Judge is poor, most of mine are unspeakable...<br /><br />Unless you don't believe what it says about NOT trimmed...

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02-10-2005, 07:51 AM
Posted By: <b>Andy Baran</b><p>Julie,<br /><br />There are 2 Old Judge Delahanty's in the auction.

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02-14-2005, 04:24 PM
Posted By: <b>Paul</b><p>Hal, the Mastro price for Andy's Ruffing is too rich for my blood. It's all yours, if you can fight off the other folks bidding on it. I will be very happy with my 1925 Exhibit Ruffing.<br /><br />Andy, what a fool I am. I can't remember what you offered that card to me for a year ago, but it was sure less than what you will get now. Shame on you for not offering it to me again before consigning it to someone who will actually get you every penny possible for the card.

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02-14-2005, 04:27 PM
Posted By: <b>Hal Lewis</b><p>If only Andy were a socialist or a communist.<br /><br />This "capitalism" is going to his head.<br /><br /><img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />

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02-16-2005, 04:44 PM
Posted By: <b>nquinn</b><p>How about the mono and the lot of 13 different year Zeenuts with tabs?<br /><br />Where did you hear about these?

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02-16-2005, 05:46 PM
Posted By: <b>Mark Tylicki</b><p><a href="http://www.rustywilly.com/largecards/LyonsTed.htm" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://www.rustywilly.com/largecards/LyonsTed.htm</a>

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02-16-2005, 06:51 PM
Posted By: <b>harrywright</b><p>The T217 Mono already seem overpriced in my humble opinion. I think that Lipset had a group of them a little while ago that went much cheaper on a per card basis, but I do not remember the exact grades. <br /><br />I would think that the zee-nuts are worth $150 to $200 to a type card collector. There are some really rare early ones there and the condition looks pretty good. <br /><br />Any guesses on the value of the N321 with bottom cut off? Still need it for a type. <br /><br />Also, I am keeping my fingers crossed that I can finally add a Delahanty to my HOF collection. We'll see.<br /><br />

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02-16-2005, 07:36 PM
Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>Thank goodness I have a Mayo...

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02-16-2005, 09:33 PM
Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p>It was nice to see that the item description for lot 3 was modified. I was assuming that the card was "possibly" rebacked but it was nice to see the clarification:<br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><font color="red">PLEASE NOTE: This Lot Description has been modified since the original publishing. Please re-read the description before bidding.</font> <br /><br />A deeply detailed, sepia-toned photograph highlights this extremely rare illustration of "$10,000 Kelly." The Hall of Famer's likeness is top-captioned by Goodwin's very desirable "Gypsy Queen" branding, and the lower margin of the photo reveals an 1887 copyright date. The 1-7/16" x 2-9/16" collectible remains firmly attached to a stout, vintage backing (bringing the piece's overall thickness to 3/32"); cardfront presentation quality is minimally EX with spots of chipping confined to the edges. <br /><br /><font color="red">Note: As indicated in the body of the write-up this card has either been re-backed with a thick cardboard backing or trimmed from an adverting sheet. This appears to have been done in the period.</font><br /> <br />

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02-17-2005, 07:03 PM
Posted By: <b>Val Kehl</b><p>Bruce,<br />In response to your question, I have a 1924 Diaz - #1-Walter Johnson (FYI, I am a W.J. card collector). If I remember correctly, I got it via ebay a few years ago. The front of my W.J. card is a bit better than the Ruffing card, but half of the narrative on the back is gone due to removal from a scrapbook; but, at least the card number is there. I am shocked that the Ruffing card is already bid up to $1,491, but I guess I shouldn't be. I've hardly added to my collection during the past few years because prices have skyrocketed beyond what I can afford.

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02-18-2005, 11:51 AM
Posted By: <b>Bob Marquette</b><p>Since I am high bidder on lot 3, the Kelly, and made the bid before the card description was amended, I was also interested in the changing of the decription <img src="/images/sad.gif" height=14 width=14>

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02-18-2005, 11:55 AM
Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>that anyone who wished to retract their bid, could!

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02-18-2005, 12:34 PM
Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p>Bob,<br /><br />I don't think that they would hold you to the bid if you made the bid prior to the clarification. I was going to bid on it but I was hesitant. I was going to contact them regarding the lot but they made the amendment before I had a chance to call them. <br /><br />At this point it's interesting. I'd ask Mastronet if they could have the card placed into an "Authentic" holder by SGC or PSA. If this can be done I'd probably think that it could be worth it. Perception is everything and the "authentic" tag by either grading service would do well for the piece. <br /><br />The image is crisp and clear, it doesn't get much better than that. <br />

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02-23-2005, 07:16 AM
Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>Just wanted to give you guys a heads up on a really cheap lot in the auction that happens to be mine. The lot, contrary to the collecting interests of most of the board members, is post-1970 football stuff. It is a huge lot including a few autographed items (that I got personally so I know they are good) and has a catalog value in the thousands.. You can read the description yourselves if you are interested. Whether the lot goes for $100 or $200 I don't really care. I was just cleaning out a closet at home and having the space was the key consideration. However, if it is going to be given away I'de prefer to see someone from the board benefit rather than some dealer. Please note, the lot weighs over 25 lbs so if you win it and live in the Chicago area pick it up yourself and avoid shipping costs. Current bid-$100.

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02-23-2005, 11:56 AM
Posted By: <b>andy becker</b><p>what's the lot # jay???

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02-23-2005, 12:04 PM
Posted By: <b>Jay Miller</b><p>I guess that would help---773 <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>