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Posted By: <b>Darren J Duet</b><p>Anyone have any dealings with Ebay seller ilymtaycs? She/he has several T222's listed currently. Any opinions on the authenticity of these?

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Posted By: <b>Joe_G.</b><p>I was wondering the same thing. She claims to be selling her grandfathers original collection (she is 72). The cards are in very nice, like new, condition. She will not offer a money back guarantee, or at least her quick replies to my inquiries stopped when I asked for a money back guarantee if they are deemed to be reprints.<br /><br />I'd also be interested in what the board thinks about these T222 cards.

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p>I also emailed the seller and got a nice response. Those cards are the real thing: the thinness, glossy surfaces and the odd cuts to the cards are all positive indicators. I've had about 75 of these and have never seen a convincing fake. It's the nicest group of T222's I've seen.<br /><br />Bill

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Posted By: <b>Julie</b><p>and "T222 Fatima Baseball cards." CAN I PLEASE HAVE A LINK?

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p>Julie - <a href="http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZilymtaycs" target="_new">http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZilymtaycs</a><br /><br />All - Who is this fore5k2ahy person? He needs to find a new, less obsessive hobby.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>....My experience is the sky is the limit on what he'll bid when he wants something x2<br /><br />........<br />..just kidding Frank (you old lurker you)<img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14><br /><br />He collects T208's D359's and Boston Garters too.

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p>Ah, so there's an Upper Jay connection. Any friend of Murcerfan is a friend of... well, someone. Good luck & see you at the end.<br /><br />Bill

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Posted By: <b>Jeff Lichtman</b><p>Some of them have such badly cut borders..what's the deal with this issue?

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Posted By: <b>Theanswerman</b><p>..I'll be thinking of you when I set my snipes<br /><br />.<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />. <img src="/images/happy.gif" height=14 width=14>

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p>Wow, the seller just listed a few non-sport personalities for this set. These are tough. Nice condition cards for Fatimas. This is salavation type material. There will be an interesting end to the auctions.

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>I contacted the seller to see what other T222's she might have (since she says others will be listing in the coming days). Unfortunately, it appears that her son has decided to keep the remaining baseball cards to give to his son. I specifically wanted to find out if there were any HOFers in the cards that were held back (which would truly be worthy of salivating) but never got a response as to the other players they had. My offer to handsomely pay her son for an Alexander, if any, was also turned down and she is apparently regretting her decision to list the cards that are currently listed (the bb cards that is).<br /><br />Anyone with a T222 Alexander that they would like to part with? Julie?

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Posted By: <b>Josh K.</b><p>The exact email that I received:<br /><br /><br />"I'm sorry, but my son has decided to keep the rest for my great grandson. Now I'm sorry that I've listed the ones I put on. <br /><br />Good luck, Laura"<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86841&item=5162202644" target="_new">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86841&item=5162202644</a><br /><br />$645 for a T222 Keating. Previous record not much more than 1/3 that... I'm going to tbob this one and ask what is this hobby coming to? Is there any hope for the rest of us? Can anyone stop this mad bidder?

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Posted By: <b>FatBoy</b><p>i had the hammer cocked at 387 on the keating, checked it before i went to bed with about 45 minutes left and i was already topped. like someone said previously, deep pockets. grrrrr<br />

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Posted By: <b>Crybaby</b><p>.........start collecting this set?<br /><br />GRRRRRRRRRRRRR<br /><br /><br />I haven't been able to add to my little <br />stash of 18 cards since '03.<br /><br />...and this seems to be the case with everything I collect except pre-war hockey and Non-sports.<br /><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>warshawlaw</b><p>The last frontier...<br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Morecoolboxingcardsforme</b><p>help me find some more philly caramel scrappers...I got one that is starting to look lonely.

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p><a href="http://search-completed.ebay.com/1913-Fatima-Cigarettes-Baseball_W0QQcatrefZC5QQfbdZ1QQfclZ3QQfisZ2QQfposZ 95125QQfromZR6QQfrppZ100QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftrtZ1QQ ftrvZ1QQpfidZ0QQsacurZ0QQsadisZ200QQsaslopZ1QQsofo cusZbsQQsspagenameZhQ3ahQ3aadvsearchQ3aUS" target="_blank">T222 prices from today</a> <br /><br />Not merely world's records at &gt;$1000 per common, it's like some new set was just discovered. I can recall single cards getting abnormally high prices, but this whole group went off the charts and to different winners.<br /><br />Bill

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Posted By: <b>Joe_G.</b><p>Wonder if she still regrets posting the 14 baseball T222s. <b>$12,408</b> for 14 commons equates to a healthy $886 average per card (all commons). Even at the elevated prices, I was happy to snag one. With 5 different winners amongst the 14 card group, I'd say the interest in the set is substantial and perhaps the price guides need an update. I'm sure the excitement of a substantial offering of high end material helped the cards perform as they did.

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Posted By: <b>Anonymous</b><p>refreakinggoshdarndiculous

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Posted By: <b>Bill Cornell</b><p>Even though the prices were high for all of them, there's a huge gap in their difficulties. Hamilton, Lobert, Baumgardner, L.Magee, S.Magee, Smith and Leibold are all "high numbers" (the number in the lower left corner); these are rarely seen. L.Magee hasn't been listed on eBay once in the past 3 years. The rest of them (Brown, McLean, Saier, Tyler, Perdue, Maisel and Murphy) are commons, at least 10x easier to find.<br /><br />For example, Murphy went for $711 today. There have been 8 of them on eBay in the past 3 years (data below). Even given the better condition of the one that sold today, that's a huge jump.<br /><br /><br />Murphy 02/08/05 157.50 FR. Heavy crease, burn mark. 15 bids.<br />Murphy 01/16/05 89.95 FR. 2 heavy creases. 1 bids.<br />Murphy 4/4/04 156.27 VG-EX 17 bids.<br />Murphy 1/17/04 295.00 VG. 13 bids.<br />Murphy 7/1/03 40.87 PR. Trimmed. 4 bids.<br />Murphy 8/13/02 100.00 GD. Appears short. Sold at BIN price. 1 bid. <br />Murphy 6/19/02 76.00 VG. No scan provided. 9 bids.<br />Murphy 3/10/02 46.89 FR-GD. Heavy crease and missing corner. 12 bids.<br /><br /><br />Edited to add that this t222 data is also on my website: <a href="http://www.t207.com/t222.htm" target="_new">http://www.t207.com/t222.htm</a>.<br /><br />Bill

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Posted By: <b>Ben</b><p>Damn, I knew I should have taken that exmt T222 Johnson when it was offered to me <img src="http://users.pandora.be/eforum/emoticons4u/happy/1277.gif">

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Posted By: <b>Judge Dred</b><p>The price of a T222 just went up....<br /><br />Wow, I bet that seller doesn't know what to think... over $10K in the matter of a few hours... she's probably telling her son to give her the rest of those cards... NOW!!! That was some seriously spirited bidding...<br /><br />Sample: <br /><br /><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5163191394&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW:IT" target="_new" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5163191394&ssPageName=STRK:MEDW:IT</a><br /><br />

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Posted By: <b>Rhett Yeakley</b><p>Wow, that was some of the strangest bidding I have seen in a long time. It appears that a few people got a little carried away. I know the fore5k... is working on the set and has some $$, so I assume he put some high cealing bids in to make sure he would win them, probably not thinking that he might actually get outbid. The rare (high #) guys in the set are extremely difficult, as Bill said, and wasn't so surprised that they went for a fair amount of cash, but the "commons"? that was a little bid strange, and doesn't (in my opionion) fairly represent their true "value". I have a feeling you are going to be seeing a lot more of these cards coming out of peoples collections in the next little while, with people hoping they can cash in on this craze. Every once in a while this sort of thing happens on ebay. About 3-4 years ago there was a similar, albeit much more mild, situation with the C46 set. The commons in VG to EX condition could be had for about $10-25 before a few gentleman decided to all collect the set at the same time, and for about 7-8 months the commons in that same range were going for $40-60 ungraded. After that time they have gone down in value somewhat and a little more reasonable today- $20 should get you a C46 on ebay in VG to about $35-40 or so for a nice ungraded EX. <br />-Rhett

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Posted By: <b>Darren J. Duet</b><p>Anyone here receive their prize yet? I wasn't fortunate enough to win one of those gems. I'd like to hear about those T222's once their in your hands.